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    I think I see people complaining about ai more than I see ai actually in anything other than promo material.

    Complaining over nothing.

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      I see ai actually in anything other than promo material.

      My brother have you been in a deep slumber for the past two years? Windows is filled with AI, so is Microsoft Office, Google search results, Gmail and Docs, the Android assistant was replaced by Gemini, Canva is filled with AI, all Adobe products have AI image generation, Samsung’s S24 line is exactly the same as the S23 but with AI slapped in, you go to a subway station and half of the ads are made with AI with atrocious teeth, fast food drive thru machines are now AI, pretty much any online customer support is an embedded version of ChatGPT. Entire news sites and blogs have the posts generated by AI - things got so bad YouTube videos with millions of views in the true crime genre were telling fake stories created by AI, with images and narration generated by AI, and the comments were mostly AI. LinkedIn is also pretty much entirely ran by ChatGPT, even the profile pictures are using these “pay 5 bucks and upload a picture from your webcam and we’ll generate a photo of you wearing a suit in a corporate background” services.

      And don’t get me started on Reddit, if you mention ANY software now you get about 10 immediate replies from bots that say some generic thing like “That’s a great question, I like using insert website AI for this as it works really well and is super affordable!”.

      You’re either extremely bad at noticing AI usage - in which case god bless your soul but for the love of all that’s holy please start trying to recognize it - or you haven’t been online in a long time.

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        What is making you interact with any of these things enough that it bothers you this much? Do you personally experience this every day or are you just mad about something someone posted online?

        Most, if not all, of your examples can be ignored or disabled, already existed but were rebranded as AI©®™, or are seriously so inconsequential that wasting your time caring about it is just silly.

        Don’t fall for the ragebait and confirmation bias posts.

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      • It’s in DuckDuckGo
      • It’s in Google search
      • It pops up on tons of websites as a chat bot
      • It’s crowbarred into Windows now
      • It’s Apple Intelligence which is baked into iOS 18 (disabling it gave me 20-25% of my battery back)
      • It’s in Arc browser (easily disabled)

      If you’re able to avoid it altogether and not be forced to constantly disable it everywhere, I commend whatever you’re doing. I see it scattered everywhere and I consider myself a niche user that runs their own Lemmy instance and doesn’t actively use any of the big social networks.

      People are complaining because it’s permeating everything while offering little to no value to the end user. The massive divide has arrived where the value to the shareholders is all that matters, and the tech companies doing it aren’t even remotely thinking about the user experience or benefit. I’ve been a dev in tech for 18+ years and I’ve never seen the field this desperate and stagnant when it comes to good ideas.

      There’s also the fact that it’s being used to replace artists and it’s basically a massive plagiarism machine. OpenAI tried to claim that their AI is the equivalent of a learning human, but actual learning humans aren’t trying to convert every single thought and interaction into billions of dollars worth of profit for corporations.

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        Maybe I am just good at ignoring it. I don’t use a whole lot of mainstream websites or, like you, big social media. I think people are just disproportionately annoyed by things they don’t have to use.

        Chatbots aren’t anything new, if anything them being slightly better isn’t really a bad thing.

        I think windows mentioned cortana copilot being there but I use openshell and outside of the day I installed windows 11, it hasn’t even mentioned it. Am I just not being targeted for ads for it? Literally not once has windows shoved it in my face but people complain about it frequently as if copilot was launching a full size ad window every time they turn on their computer.

        The thing about it being little value to the end user does seem fair. I actually enjoy amusing myself with image generation but that’s about all I use it for. Don’t really care about whiny artists, especially since everyone complains that it isn’t good enough to be real art but is also somehow good enough to replace good artists (??).

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          Artists are legitimately upset because their work is being sucked into a vacuum to train AI without them being compensated or credited. If this was to train a tool that would become a publicly-accessible and free utility to anyone that wanted to use it for non-profit purposes, that would be an easier pill to swallow, but that’s not the case. It’s instead being used for profit by companies that didn’t actually create anything. Whether the artist is “good” or not is subjective.

          Copilot being forced into Windows is only one side of it. The other issue was their Recall feature that uses AI. These things are optional now and can be disabled through third party tools and settings, but how long until they’re no longer optional, or they make opting out so convoluted that third party tools and instructions have to change constantly?

          The other side of it that I haven’t mentioned is the insane power usage. It’s so high that OpenAI can’t even accurately estimate how much capital they need just to run a business that is already not profitable. It’s the largest amount of funding any startup has ever had to ask for. So in the wake of climate change, AI is a blow torch in a bone dry forest.

          An example of AI adversely affecting everyone, even non-users: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-ai-power-home-appliances/

          For a field that is not profitable, it requires more capital than anything that has come before it: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/27/openai-needs-more-capital-than-wed-imagined-moves-to-for-profit.html

          AI returns are dismal: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/10/so-far-ai-hasnt-been-profitable-for-big-tech/

          It’s a multi-faceted complaint and doesn’t simply end at the user-facing experience. It’s a waste of capital, a huge weight on an already suffering environment, and it’s entirely out of the hands of the working class. It’s far too expensive for anyone outside of billionaires to run. And all of that for what? Summarizing articles? Making silly imagery and making artists and authors even poorer?

          It’s the equivalent of sucking up entire lakes that have been around for thousands of years, all to fill some pools people use maybe once a year.

          Edit: here is a new fresh level of AI hell for you. Edit 2: better link for the Meta AI story.

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    The problem isn’t AI. The problem is greedy, clueless management pushing half baked products of dubious value on consumers.

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    Rule 34 clearly states everything on the internet must fuck everything. No exceptions! AI will be forced into fucking everything!

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    Containerize everything!

    Crypto everything!

    NFT everything!

    Metaverse everything!

    This too shall pass.

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        I think the complaint is that apps are being designed with containerization in mind when they don’t need it

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          Any examples spring to mind? I’ve built apps that are only distributed as containers (because for their specific purpose it made sense and I am also the operator of the service), but if ya don’t want to run it in a container… just follow the Dockerfile’s “instructions” to package the app yourself? I’m sure I could come up with a contrived example where that would be impractical, but in almost every case a container app is just a basic install script written for a standard distro and therefore easily translatable to something else.

          FOSS developers don’t owe you a pre-packaged .deb. If you think distributing one would be useful, read up on debhelper. But as someone who’s done both, Dockerfile is certainly much easier than debhelper. So “don’t need it” is a statement that only favors native packaging from the user’s perspective, not the maintainer. Can’t really fault a FOSS developer for doing the bare minimum when packaging an app.

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            I am not the person who posted the original comment so this is speculation, but when they criticized “containerizing everything” I suspect they meant “Yes client, I can build that app for you, and even though your app doesn’t need it I’m going to spend additional time containerizing it so that I can bill you more” but again you’d have to ask them.

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            also! it’s worth noting that not all FOSS developers are debian (or even linux) devs. Developers of open source projects including .Net Core don’t “owe” us packaging of any kind but the topic here is unnecessary containerization, not a social contract to provide it.

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            “Yes, client! I can build that app for you! I’m going to bill you these extra items for containerization so I can get paid more”

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        Docker is only useful in that many scenarios. Nowadays people make basic binaries like tar into a container, stating that it’s a platform agnostic solution. Sometimes some people are just incompetent and only know docker pull as the only solution.

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          Docker have many benefits - container meaning it can be more secure, easy to update and something that many overlook - a dockerfile with detailed intrusions on how to install that actually works if the container works - useful when wiki is not updated.

          Another benefit is that the application owner can change infrastructure used without the user actually need to care. Example - Pihole v5 is backend dns + lighthttp for web + php in one single container. In version v6(beta) they have removed lighthttp and php and built in functionality into the core service. In my tests it went from 100 MB ram usage to 20 MB. They also changed the base from debian to alpine and the image size shrink a lot.

          Next benefit - I am moving from x86 to arm for my home server. Docker itself will figure out what is the right architecture and pull that image.

          Sure - Ansible exist as one attempt to combat the problem of installation instructions but is not as popular and thus the community is smaller. They may leave you in a bad state(it is not like containers were you can delete and start over fresh easily) Then we have VM:s - but IMO they waste to many resources.

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        LXC – natively containerize an application (or multiple)

        systemd-run – can natively limit CPU shares and RAM usage

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      Put a curved screen on everything, microwave your thanksgiving turkey, put EVERYTHING including hot dogs, ham, and olives in gelatin. Only useful things will have AI in them in the future and I have a hard time convincing the hardcore anti-ai crowd of that.

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    I think AI is a great tool if used properly. However, it should be a background tool. The second you advertise it to the end consumer, it’s going to be dogshit.

    If someone asks me to build a sort-function for their table, I’m not gonna write an email: “Yes and I actually used radix sort for the table contents which makes it extremely fast and performant!!!”. I’m writing: “Done”.

    The end consumer doesn’t give a shit how it works, as long as it works.

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      No lie, I actually really love the concept of Microsoft Recall, I’ve got the adhd and am always trying to retrace my steps to figure out problems i solved months ago. The problem is for as useful as it might be it’s just an attack surface.

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    I hate what AI has become and is being used for, i strongly believe that it could have been used way more ethically, solid example being Perplexity, it shows you the sources being used at the top, being the first thing you see when it give a response. The opposite of this is everything else. Even Gemini, despite it being rather useful in day to day life when I need a quick answer to something when I’m not in the position to hold my phone, like driving, doing dishes, or yard work with my ear buds in

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      Yes, you’re absolutely right. The first StarCoder model demonstrated that it is in fact possible to train a useful LLM exclusively on permissively licensed material, contrary to OpenAI’s claims. Unfortunately, the main concerns of the leading voices in AI ethics at the time this stuff began to really heat up were a) “alignment” with human values / takeover of super-intelligent AI and b) bias against certain groups of humans (which I characterize as differential alignment, i.e. with some humans but not others). The latter group has since published some work criticizing genAI from a copyright and data dignity standpoint, but their absolute position against the technology in general leaves no room for re-visiting the premise that use of non-permissively licensed work is inevitable. (Incidentally they also hate classification AI as a whole; thus smearing AI detection technology which could help on all fronts of this battle. Here again it’s obviously a matter of responsible deployment; the kind of classification AI that UHC deployed to reject valid health insurance claims, or the target selection AI that IDF has used, are examples of obviously unethical applications in which copyright infringement would be irrelevant.)

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        criticizing genAI from a copyright

        There is russian phrase “fight of beaver and donkey”, which loosely means fight of two shits. Copyright is cancer and capitalist abuse of genAI is cancer.

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          Copyright is actually very important, especially to independent authors, photographers, digital artists, traditional artists, videographers (YouTubers as an example), and especially movie producers. Copyright protects their work from being taken by someone else and claimed as their own, however special cases do exist where other individuals are allowed to use copywritten material that is not theirs, this is where fair use comes into play. If we did not have fair use, but still had Copyright, the large majority of YouTube videos would be illegal, from commentary videos to silly meme videos. So calling Copyright a cancer is like wanting their work to be out in a field of monkeys and hope they don’t notice it, spoiler, they always do.

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        “But master, the toast is already burned, surely you-”
        *Me, eyes glowering with a grimace*
        “DOWN YOU GO.”
        “Master! Nooooo–!”

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        Not as bad as the IR touch screens. They had a IR field protected just above the surface of the screen that would be broken by your finger, such would register a touch at that location.

        Or a fly landing on your screen and walking a few steps could drag a file into the recycle bin.

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        You forgot the phase immediately preceding AI: 3d prints.

        I mean, in this decade, I’ve heard of car and airplanes being marketed as having 3d printed parts.

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          Cars and airplanes do have 3D printed parts. They’re much more common in the prototyping phase, but they are used in production and are making their way to space.

          I completely agree with your general sentiment though. Any time a new piece of technology shows promise there are a ton of people who will loudly proclame that it will completely replace <old and busted technology> in <a massive amount of areas> while turning a blind eye to things like scaling and/or practical limitations.

          See also: low/no code, which has roots going back to the 1980s at least.

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    I got a christmas card from my company. As a part of the christmas greeting, they promoted AI, something to the extent of “We wish you a merry christmas, much like the growth of AI technologies within our company” or something like that.

    Please no.

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    The only AI I care about is Neruosama, that shit is funny as fuck. Roasting people left and right.