There are far too many posts with horrible grammar and spelling. It’s getting ridiculous.
I can’t be alone in noticing this, right?
Most of the time I don’t get bothered by typing/autofill errors in others’ posts. (My own often get edited several times.)
But some bring out my inner schoolmarm. I try to restrict my corrections to times when the error is confusing, or if I have a mnemonic that might be helpful. I bear in mind that this is an informal forum, but someone might want to be able to get it right when it matters.
*rediculous
I dare you to proof that its dead.
I don’t know if this comment was intentionally improper, but…
- prove
- it’s
Got me. 🤗 Poor spelling/grammar is a pet peeve of mine, but it’s so hard to point out online without getting a lot of hate. I only responded here because it was topical and, I assumed, intentional.
On one hand some posters don’t give a shit. On the other hand, proofreading your own text is systematically harder than one that you didn’t write. I’m sure there’s some scientific explanation; it’s some kind of fact of life. It’s way easier to spot mistakes in other people’s texts. So don’t be too harsh on other posters; they didn’t hire a proofreader and that’s alright.
no u
It’s not dead! I make Apple intelligent proofread what I write. 🤓
…but yeah, I’ve completely forgotten how to proofread.
Usually how it goes for me:
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Make post
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See typo
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Edit the post to fix it
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See another typo
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GOTO 3
Usually how it goes for me:
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Make post
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See typo
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Edit the post to fix it
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Introduce new mistake
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See another typo
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GOTO 3
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Proofreading your own work without a significant time gap is pretty useless. You’ll catch a few obvious errors, but approaching the same problem in the same mental space tends to lead to the same thought patterns, tends to lead to making or overlooking the same mistakes.
You’ll do a bit better reapproaching the subject a few days later. It’s almost, but not quite, like reading a new piece of writing. In my experience, comments are set and forget, unless you’re obsessive like me and enjoy rereading your old shit.
By far the most effective proofreading, though, is an Editor. There’s a reason it’s a paid position for anyone who makes a living writing. A completely different person will read the text more as-is, without accidentally interpreting it how they INTENDED it to be written. This will catch far more errors, but isn’t really practical for shit posting in social media. The closest you’ll get is someone calling out a typo or grammatical error.
As long as the intent of the message is clear, it passes the bar for acceptable social media content. We’re not writing PhD theses, we’re just having fun discussions. We’re not writing a paper meant to be readable to someone independently, we’re engaging in dialogue and can easily ask the other person to clarify.
TL;DR high-level proofreading and error correcting isn’t really as viable on social media as it is formal writing, nor is it really necessary as long as the message received is the message intended.
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That’s your only contribution? Cool. Objections duly noted.
I used to get really annoyed with blatant errors but I’ve grown more tolerant whenever they seem to be bona fide.
What I find a harder time with is the anti intellectual attitude of some people (I’m speaking overall online, not specifically on Lemmy), where writing poorly is used as a kind of code. And in the same vein, people who write using proper grammar and spelling being mocked.
When have random people on the Internet ever cared about correct spelling and grammar? In any language? I’ve been an Internet regular for over 20 years and if anything, autocorrecting smartphones have improved the average quality of spelling.
Autocorrected spelling helps with a lot, but it doesn’t help with run-on sentences that lack punctuation. Nobody’s expecting punctuation like an English teacher, but when you have to re-read a comment several times to make any sense of it, that’s simply poor communication.
I agree with all of that but some folks just aren’t clear communicators and / or English isn’t their first language so unless it’s a real workload to read, I’m generally grand with it.
I actually find the general standard of text posts on here very high. I’d bet money that the number of correctly used commas per post here is way higher than the internet average, though that’s purely anecdotal.
If there’s any form of argument or debate, everyone cares about the correct spelling and grammar of their opponents.
I still take pride in the written word
But apparently not in periods…
I consciously drop them when I write single sentences. It is a personal preference.
I’ve noticed less hostilities around here when it come spelling and grammar.
Not none… sadly
Yeah I appreciate that bit a lot. This is a casual internet forum, not a PhD dissertation. I don’t see why anyone should bother with trying to be so perfect all the time. Humans aren’t perfect! It’s ok to be casual and relax when necessary. :)
Most of my posts have a little “edit” mark icon next to them because I post things and then immediately notice something wrong or add more detail. And I know after I edit it there will still be weird typos! Oh well! Doesn’t hurt anyone!
Mobile keyboards are awful (except the BlackBerry keyboard).
I miss the blackberry keyboard.
Ironically, almost, when they finally released a phone model with an excellent micro touchpad to replace the e-clit, they also cheaped-out on the keyboard and ruined that. It was love with that new touchpad until the corner of the keyboard fell in - it always did - and then it was pure hate.
If they could have stopped trying to chase apple and just focused on an ever-stronger private phone with a good keypad, they could have kept their security tight, avoided the 'sploit and differentiated on that.
They still could - they’re still burning the bank slowly - but I don’t know whether that’s sexy enough to win them investors. Hard to have AI and security.
Im certainly guilt of this. In my defense while I generally did well in school, my worst subjects were language relate. Foreign was what I did worst at but spelling and grammer in my native came next worst. The best I did in subjects around language was more around reading comprehension and in writing more with creative aspect.
It’s mind numbing. I understand ESL speakers having trouble, and I understand being tired and messing stuff up in comments, but if you’re making a post you should be double and triple checking everything you wrote. It’s ridiculous.
In my experience, ESL speakers tend to have better grammar than the average native speaker.
The distinction is, ESL people are taught English and then graded on it. If they don’t know their “who” from “whom” and “that”, then they fail. Unlike native speakers a s writers, they’ve proved they can write in English and be proud of it.
When I was fluent in French, I was pleased at my work and it made me proud. I’m 20 years lapsed and I absolutely struggle at the French in Shoresy when I should know it.
Another distinction is, a fair amount of the US revels in ignorance and mediocrity.