Eugene V. Debs will always be my favorite imprisoned candidate. Respectable vote count too, given their situation.
The problem is that the guy would be a third party candidate, which means he would get treated as a sinkhole for the voters of the opposite party. This would work specially well for the GQP since they could just have a candidate adopt his ideology, throw a lot of money into news, media, and rallies to trump up support, and then easily turn around and just not fulfill it when they win. Meanwhile, there will be plenty of people in the other side of the flawed bipartisan system who will just blame democrats for not choosing their third party candidate regardless of the actual consequences voting third party has in USA’s democratic facade of a system.
When the Venn diagram of YA doomsday fiction and reality overlap more than you thought.
I mean, MrBeast is going full Torment Nexus.
He’s only 26, which means the 2036 election suddenly gets more interesting.
That’s assuming they don’t make the death-penalty terrorism charge stick… which they will in a heartbeat.
He’s got enough money to drag that out for years like everyone else does
That not a disqualifier though
Being dead might make it challenging…
Nah, death row inmates can live for decades
True, but more inmates were executed during Trump’s last term than are currently on death row.
Well, considering there are only three on death row right now, that doesn’t sound too bad.
oh no oh fuck
Being brain dead doesn’t seem to be an hindrance.
Have you heard of this one neat trick (jury nullification) that lawyers hate?
I haven’t heard about it at all. Not a once. I would never talk about it during a jury selection process either.
I don’t see them letting it come to that. They’ll pick jury members of which they are 100% sure they won’t do jury nullification.
Remember, the whole system is behind getting him charged.
Well the whole system only gets to pick half the jury
Do you really think there’s no way for the combined power of the state & capital to influence jury selection? That feels like a very naive take.
The defense has the right to pick half the jury - and defense lawyers are usually very serious about defending their clients and getting the best possible outcome. They’re going to pick the most favorable jurists they can.
IMO he got over charged and they state is gonna learn the hard way that their strategy of making an example of him will backfire.
Please see my reply to the other comment - you’re assuming the pool of jurors contains enough people that would consider nullification. As far as I’m aware, the defense has no influence on this pool itself. So how do you know that the jurors the defense can choose from are actually randomly selected?
It’s pretty much a given that the state knows your opinion on jury nullification if you’ve ever publicly posted about it. Hell, based on the Snowden leaks there’s a good chance they know it if you’ve ever mentioned it over e.g. the telephone. How can you be sure that this knowledge isn’t used to bias the jury pool?
It sounds like you don’t understand how jury selection works.
No, I think I understand it well enough to also understand that the system isn’t perfect.
For example, the same system that is trying to get him charged is also responsible for producing the jury pool. Coincidentally, the same system regularly buys data about its citizens from big tech companies, like social media. The same social media on which plenty of people publicly commented on the case.
Unless the defense is literally involved in every step of the process (starting from voter registration), there’s no way to be sure that the jury pool is actually unbiased.
Now, hopefully I’m wrong about this, and you can show me specifically how we can be absolutely sure that the jury pool is completely unbiased. But I don’t think that you’ll be able to do so without implicitly relying on the same system that is being defended against.
I’m sure defense lawyers love it. Cops and cop lawyers sure hate it though.
The minions of the wealthy hate anything that impedes them from executing the will of their masters.
trump promised he will “fix the elections”, so no more voting will be needed.
If that happens there will be a whole lot of voting by bullet
There won’t. This is copium.
- Get him acquitted
- Tour in Congress, replace that disgusting regime who’re fettermam, he can tired into sucking bibi dick in a tel Aviv while wearing his suit
- Proper run for the white house where he has monopoly on violence so he can do his work in peace.
He needs to be rich first though.
He is
That’s what dark money is for. Both Biden and Trump have been elected on it.
Put him in charge of healthcare maybe, but electing libertarians to office is a big chunk of why you have this problem in the first place. Guy has only had one good idea.
Imo Chase Oliver would have been a pretty cool president. He may have been a Libertarian but he openly called for Israel to end the genocide (yes he called it what it is), called for an end to all buisnesses subsidies, proposed a complete tax code overhaul designed to eliminate loopholes, and heavily limit patents which would destroy many pharmaceuticals.
No. I mean I get that it’s tongue-in-cheek, but just stop. This social media edgelord shit is just Q-Anon of the left.
I mean if we wanna turn this guy into a hero, maybe we should talk about the fact that he shot some relatively powerless, fake-title CEO of a subsidiary while retweeting praise of Elon Musk, the biggest oligarch in the world. He’s not even a quality villain, much less a hero.
What’s the hunger games 4 notes reference here?
G B♭ A D
The four notes whistled by Katniss. Became a central melody in the series.
It was the tune sung by the mockingjay bird, iirc it was the symbol of the resistance.
Not all unqualified felons (or the laws they have broken) are equal.
Whenever he gets cheers and applause in a news comedy show, the host always looks uncomfortable. You can almost see the leash of their corporate overlords being tugged.
I mean, it’s not just that. it’s legal liability. part of the reason they charged him with terrorism is to tie any show of support to a crime as well. supporting him is like supporting al-qaeda now. so I ask you, DO YOU CONDEMN HUMMUS? DO YOU CONDOM MORDOR OF CEOS?
All it did was show a lot of people what bullshit a charge of “terrorism” is.
For the longest time, people thought “terrorism” meant “very evil,” so now that someone who isn’t evil is being labeled a terrorist, they are upset.
In reality, if you try to change politics with violence against a civilian, you are a terrorist.
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
Hopefully it’s hard to prove that his intent was change and not revenge
You don’t engrave a message on casings unless you’re sending a message to the living.
That’s an incredibly flimsy argument. People have been writing messages on ammo since ammo existed. There’s not even an established pattern of terrorists writing on ammo - they’re more likely to claim credit for an attack after the fact and include their message there.
Those were words for him. Deny and defend this, mother fucker.
You assert my argument is flimsy, yet your argument is that someone is going to be able to read the casings popping out of a guy’s gun shooting at him from behind?
Lol. Lmao, even.
The company’s other employees are, at time of writing, still living, so sending a message to the living doesn’t mean it’s not solely revenge.
I’m still like 100% sure that this isn’t the same guy in the pictures taken on the crime scene, given that literally ALL THEY HAVE TO GO BY is that his form of dress was the same.
That’s not what the law in NY actually says. It’s not merely that you’re trying to change government policy through violence. It’s that you’re trying to do it through intimidating government employees. The prosecutor screwed the pooch on this one. Luigi didn’t actually meet the terrorism modifier requirements in NY. At least that’s what I got from Legal Eagle.
Interesting. I thought his terrorism charges were the federal ones?
Either way this will be a hell of a case.
No he got NY terrorism charges and murder charges in NY and federally and then federal gun charges iirc
As a side note, legal eagle is available on nebula.tv with no ads. I think the first episode is free, and then the service is $36/year, with more of that going to who you watch.
Yup! I’ve long been a Nebula subscriber.
Yeah, this country was founded by terrorists.
I think they’d technically be classified as insurgents/rebels because they mostly/exclusively fired upon the military as far as I know.
as far as I know.
Well, it’s time to brush up a bit before commenting, then, huh?
Francis Marion, aka The Swamp Fox, was pretty hard on loyalist civilians.
Do you thoroughly recheck every topic before you make a comment? Must be exhausting.
That or you’re a hypocrite. Up to you.
School shooters should be getting hit with terrorism charges
It certainly causes more terror, but mostly just with the rabble, not the ultra wealthy who actually matter.
It is perfectly legal to advocate for illegal activity. The first amendment has broad protections for this. SCOTUS has ruled on this even recently. You need to be able to advocate for illegal activity if you want people to have any chance to change the law.
It is perfectly legal to come right out on national television and say, “Luigi did nothing wrong. The president and governor should pardon him, and the mayor of NYC should throw him a parade.”
Like the incoming Christo Gestapo crew will give a shit about that when they start rounding up potential “wrong thinkers”
lol… those who remember the 2000s know that’s all out the window if the government says anything is terrorism.
The right to free speech and the right to peaceably assemble hasn’t been respected at any point during US history.
Not immediately after the country was formed when they signed the sedition act into law.
Not while people were protesting for abolitionism.
Not while people were protesting for women’s suffrage.
Not while people held demonstrations while on strike.
Not during the cold war and red scare.
Not during the civil rights movement.
Not during the George Floyd protests.
They’re not going to start now.
Wait, “condom” and “mordor”??!? What the hell sub is this??!!
Yes, I do condom mordor of ceos
OH SO YOU SUPPORT HUMMUS THE SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES
But how do you feel about hummus?
Also, lets not forget who will be president soon… Trump and his fellows have hinted at going after fake news media before. Going after terrorism supporting fake news media is even easier.
Also GOP: “We are all domestic terrorists”
For those who have forgotten, this is an actual quote from the republican party.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
The venn diagram of Lemmy users and people who aren’t aware of that image are a circle here on earth and another circle in low orbit of Sedna.
Holy shit America is becoming united under the banner bof domestic terrorism. I wholeheartedly approve. If the ruling class isn’t pissing themselves we haven’t gone far enough yet. They should fear We the people.
It’s also just the purview of the liberal elite. So rich and far removed from society they think murdering someone makes you evil and there’s never any reason to do it.
Meanwhile our media is absolutely jam packed with freedom fighters and underdogs and man against the system… ultra gore.
So like idk what message the elites have been getting out of the media but the really popular stuff is always the stuff that speaks to the masses… and feels relatable.
So sitcoms and… horror dystopia, yep.
They obviously don’t have a problem with murder (they have a murder problem!) unless it’s one of them receiving the murdering
Not all “news comedy”, FWIW — though I think you were referring to Faux “News”, Twatter, FB, MSNBC, et al.
That’s not the expression in those moments. Take another, longer look.
He should get all sorts of leanency and considerations based on the election cycle and media image.
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I suppose what’s another criminal on the Supreme Court? Maybe he can run his own murder trial and find no wrong doing.
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If that happened, it would light the fire even hotter. They need him convicted, not assassinated.
Yep. Also people liked JFK. They don’t like insurance CEO. So you can sell the idea that jack ruby was a good guy.
I’m too old to know the four notes from the Hunger Games, so I substitute my own: 🎼 you ♩ must ♩ use ♩ the ♩ force ♩
Shit, that was five notes.
It’s all about the tones…
Use force you must?
Isn’t that just the police motto?
Nah, you gotta take a drink every time he says “Roxanne.”
I read the books, so I wish I knew the notes.
