• ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 years ago

    selfresponsibility. if u rich as fuck and ppl around u are poor as fuck you might want to pay for security yourself when a country cant even protect its weakest citizens.

  • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    So while I am sure the expense per person is more. Expense for rich murders vs poor murders is probably the opposite simply because of the difference in quantity.

    • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Jesus Christ. Did you literally just sit there and value life quantitatively and actually hit send? Maybe you should get in line.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        If you think we collectively don’t put a price on life consider speed limits. Nearly no one dies in accidents where cars are going less than 30mph. Yet there is no law limiting the building of cars that can go faster than 30. The reason… commerce. The current speed limits on the roads are based on the point where deaths cross over a line of acceptable vs the impact of commerce.

    • NABDad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      I think the point is that “rich vs poor” should not be a distinction that matters when considering what resources to expend on the investigation.

      If you start from that premise, there’s really no reason to compare what is spent collectively on the murder of wealthy people to what is spent collectively on the murder of poor people.

      The comparison itself assumes as given that there is some reason to divide the victims in that way.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        The reality is that it isn’t rich vs poor. It’s media attention. Most of the time a rich murder gets more media attention which causes higher ups to commit more resources. But if the murder of a poor person got the same media attention, it would get more resources too. The issue is they don’t have the funding to commit the reasources to investigate all murders at what you and I would consider a reasonable amount. So they have to hold back until it is a high profile case.
        So while the overall effect is the same. The root cause is different. It’s really that the people accept it and don’t vote for decision makers who will fix the funding issue. Of course it would take more than funding to convert the police force into something that could perform at a level where they were thoroughly investigating all crimes. But noone has the stomach for the bill, so it doesn’t matter.

  • Allonzee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Remember about a year and a half ago when no expense or resource was spared to try to rescue a billionaire with a deathwish from the bottom of the Atlantic while AT THE VERY SAME TIME over 500 refugees that could have been saved, who were still at the surface, were left to drown off the coast of Greece.

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/titanic-submarine-billionaires-get-massive-global-rescue-effort-refugees-left-to-drown/

    The ship had been in distress almost two days before it sank, but help didn’t come until it was too late. How many might have been rescued with one-tenth the resources that were rushed to save the five billionaires and millionaires on the Titan?

    This isnt a healthcare problem. This is a global crony market capitalist problem.

    This is a class warfare occupation problem.

    Fuck valuing human life on the basis of ego score.

      • Allonzee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I’d argue the allowance of passive shareholders is what causes the biggest problems. Shares of profits should go to active employees only, unless they’ve fulfilled the requirements of a pension, not entities that intend to collect capital while contributing no labor towards the products/services generating the profit.

        Passive income should only be hard earned. The only passive income that should be legal should be after 20+ of laboring/supporting the means by which those profits were generated, so it cannot be gamed.

        Not some random assholes with chips from their last trip to the exploitation, insider info casino. People have to earn a living, it’s perfectly reasonable to DEMAND skin in the game in order to make money.

        • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Shares of profits should go to active employees only, unless they’ve fulfilled the requirements of a pension, not entities that intend to collect capital while contributing no labor towards the products/services generating the profit.

          So if my nephew wants to borrow $5k from me to start a business, I shouldn’t be allowed to lend it to him?

          Keep in mind that all of these restrictions result in consenting adults being prevented from entering the economic arrangements they want to enter into.

        • Hugucinogens@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          2 years ago

          This doesn’t address the core issue of capitalism:

          Owners in general (of businesses, housing, everything) get all the money, thanks to the opportunity to mercilessly take advantage of workers/renters/everyone else. And taking advantage gets you more money to take more advantage of people.

          The passivest of incomes goes to the owners, the ceos are just the highest paid guard dogs of those people.

          Is that ok? Passive income being much harder to earn for everyone, unless you are rich enough to start your own business, that is.

          Are we not going to end up in the same situation? Isn’t it basically the same situation we’re already in?

  • humanspiral@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Don’t you understand how serious it is to have any threats to oligarchy??? Even if 300m people would accept an offer to replace him in his job, and provide just as effective claims denials, a homeless person…

    • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Imagine being the bystander who nopes out in the video - I bet their immediate future involved a serious change of underwear.

  • EvilZ@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Well we could ask the same question when Notre dame de Paris burned, how many millions went to rebuild it?

    I respect the arts and the building is an important part of French history which is important.

    I would however say that it is interesting that we cannot raise money for charities but if an art building burn oh well… Let the millions pour in…

  • zephorah@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 years ago

    What do you think thr 1950s was? The giant boom following USA government subsidies of the middle class, courtesy of FDR. The 1950s had a raging lack of equality, and were in part sustained on the backs of women, but that’s another discussion. It would not have happened at all, in any format, without government subsidy.

    From FDR to 1981, an American middle class was subsidized. American labor was valued. You could say it was one of our best commodities, for everyone concerned.

    Then, in 1981, the format switched. The idea was, the most financially efficient way to run America was to subsidize the investors and corporate. As such, the wealth would then trickle down to all parts of society, enriching the nation as a whole with this fantastical efficiency. Subsidizing the middle class was systematically broken, overturned, and the subsidies were then given to investors and corporate.

    American labor was systemically devalued.

    Which brings us to present day. Biden did start to pick away it the 1981-2020 travesty, but fixing broken things takes time, and this broken thing will take more than a couple years to fix. Some teamsters got to keep their retirement, infrastructure will slowly feed us in years to come, but it’s not enough, and it’s certainly not something that even helps most of our day to days as of yet.

    Well, that ended this year.

    And now we have the people subsidized and grown fat from the 1981-2020 structure in charge.

    What will happen next?

    Will American labor regain its value? Will we subsidize a middle class instead of the upper tier of individuals, the very people running the show now, going forward? Or will we all be financially squeezed even further beyond our capacities?

    We will have to wait and see.

  • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I know it’s not the point but Jesus fucking Christ then is not than. How fucking hard is it to notice that they’re two different words?

    • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Idk maybe not everyone has a first language of english and had english lessons.

      Like english is literally my fourth best spoken language. And I’m disabked with cognitive issues.

        • Ember@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          I’m a native English speaker. Honestly… who cares? We can still understand them just fine. Do you speak four+ languages like they do? I studied a second language for 10 years in school and barely remember it. I self-studied a third for a couple of years and it’s HARD. What in the world do they have to be guilty for? Being way better at being multilingual than the average native English speaker?

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            I obviously care. There is also nothing wrong with having pet peeves. Zero people need to agree with what my pet peeves are allowed to be. I see this dumb mistake all the time and that’s not really related to the linguistic status of this one individual.

            • Ember@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Sure, have your pet peeves. That’s perfectly fine. However, making someone feel bad about it and implying they should feel guilty, when they’ve already made a huge accomplishment in learning another language, isn’t. You’re not wrong, but you’re still an asshole.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        That could be correct, but potentially it could be more personal.

        Maybe the shooter themselves had an illness or condition that was expensive to maintain, or treatment was rejected. If they had nothing to live for or weren’t super-concerned with getting caught, that could be an explanation.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Its sweet and innocent that thinks the cops even give a thousand dollars of time and effort to investigating crimes against the poor.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Police clocking fifty hours of overtime at $75/hr playing candy crush while they claim they’re investing a bike theft is something in willing to believe.

      • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Thats why the worst time to have an interaction with a cop is within 30 minutes before end of shift/shift change.

        Cause they make tons of false arrests to milk several extra hours of overtime slow walking paperwork and other bullshit.