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    DNC: We’re the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.

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    I literally don’t care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷‍♂️

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      That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.

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        I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There’s a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.

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        Who gives a fuck about what the republicans or democrats say anymore? They’re all corrupt rich people who are full of shit and don’t give a fuck about you and never did.

        Oh no! The two pro capitalist pro imperialist parties are trading barbs about dumb shit!

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            Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.

            What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.

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              By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.

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                Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.

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                  I’m 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn’t align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can’t tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn’t attacking the issue, it’s throwing a tantrum because you lost.

                  A miscarriage of justice isn’t solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won’t make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed “nuh uh” at the last moment is stupid.

                  That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It’s probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn’t like it, but I really couldn’t complain.

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              I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.

              Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.

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                The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.

                You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?

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                  Its funny how when it comes to normal people its always the high road, when it comes to genocide it’s always a process he can’t change, but when it comes to his son, no more high road. No one on the left cares about the pardon, we care that of all the times to break precedent, its not to stop the genocide but to cover his son. When someone shows your their priorities believe them.

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              What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can’t make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won’t play out well, since that’d pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.

              Bottom line is that politicians aren’t going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.

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                The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.

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                  I’d argue it’s capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that’s more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn’t implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.

                  And I’d like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven’t experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.

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                I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.

                Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion”.

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        any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden

        Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won’t be able to beat them

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        …That Biden specifically helped put there with his drug and police laws.

        Finished that sentence for you.

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      I love how libs are utterly incapable of discussing things without using Trump for framing. He’s also not pardoning drug offenses, he’s pardoning the whole Burisma thing which is at the very least a FARA violation. That’s why the pardon is sweeping from the start of 2014.

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      All drugs should be legal.

      We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.

      Perhaps it’s more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that’s true.

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        Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it’s a small club and we ain’t in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi’s or Obama’s life become more hard because of election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.

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          Hakeem Jeffries is still the main Democrat who directly backed and supported Eric Adams in his bid for NYC Mayor and when asked about the indictment said this:

          We need Eric Adams to be successful as mayor because he is the mayor

          Jeffries is just another Pelosi and was picked because he doesn’t care either. He won’t apparently try for better just enough to make sure they keep as much power as they can.

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        He can’t blanket pardon people. He would have to do one for each person.

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          He could still pardon them all, it’s not like his hand would cramp from signing too many papers! Go through, one by one, and pardon them all.

          And all the people on federal death row, that Trump is going to kill.

          And all the people with federal marijuana charges.

          And people like Leonard Peltier and Julian Assange while he’s at it.

          What’s stopping him?

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        And America has proven nobody cares except the Democrats who don’t vote for high horse reasons son who cares.

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        Going back three decades when everyone thought a “war on drugs” would be a good idea is also lazy to bring into this conversation. As President, Biden freed more victims of that war than all other presidents

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          1. Biden sponsored the crime bill that put those people behind bars in the first place.

          2. Biden abused his powers to pardon his son for crimes that other people will remain in prison for. Crimes that are more severely punished because of Biden.

          Its actually quite relevant to the conversation

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              Abused his power?

              Yes, I would say that pardoning your own son as president is a conflict of interest, unethical, and an abuse of power. It demonstrates that Hunter is above the laws that Joe Biden helped architect. I’m surprised that this sentiment is so controversial.

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        His son is hardly a child at 54 years old.

        I’m sure parents always will see their children as children, no matter their age.

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          I’m specifically talking about the silly framing of “a child” rather than “his child”

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        Does “an offspring” sound better? A “progeny”!?

        If you can’t deduct that they mean HIS child then I’m sorry but you’re why disinformation is so effective.

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              Frankly, I don’t know what you’re complaining about. If you standard for “child” is “has a parent”, then everyone on here is a child, you included. Just pardon them and move on.

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                I mean the it is the very definition of the word. A son or daughter an offspring.

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          …Wait, is Joe then also a child? Good grief, no wonder America went to shit, they let a fucking child be president!

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    Tbh, anyone getting actually mad at Biden over Hunter getting pardoned is kind of funny. Like, there’s way way better reasons to have grown to dislike Joe. Oh no, the president pardoned his son for form filing crimes.

    Who cares?

    He’s Mr. Genocide. This is actually one of the few actually human things he’s done.

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    Yeah. This is the pardon that is going to break the country, not the fact that individual’s who received a pardon from Trump’s first term and now being nominated to his cabinet.

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      Neither of those things are going to break the country. It’s a matter of priorities. Dems sell themselves as the adults in the room who are going to fight against fascism. And this is what Biden is doing instead.

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        There was a great episode of the daily show with Jon recently after the election. Basically his point was the democrats keep doing things because of “norms” or “tradition” while the republicans have completely thrown both out the window to win. It’s time for the democrats to start doing the same. Taking the political high ground for “norms” and “traditions” is causing their constituents to suffer. It’s clear that the norms politicians have followed for the past 250 years are not rule, law or enforceable. The dems need to realize what they are fighting against and step up to the battlefield in which they find themselves, then after regaining power they need to code these previous norms into law with actual consequences for ignoring them.

        Here is the clip: (it’s about 1//2 through, but the whole thing is worth watching)

        https://youtu.be/HNcmo-K5Xsg

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          It’s time for the democrats to start doing the same. Taking the political high ground for “norms” and “traditions” is causing their constituents to suffer.

          My brother in christ that is what this meme is saying. When constituents are crying out for help, the Dems tell us “Biden must not stoop to fascism”. I remember liberal lemmyposters using that very argument quite recently. Biden finally decides to abuse his executive power after years of telling us “The D’s are better than that” and it’s for personal gain. THAT’S THE JOKE

          Fuck me running… here you be defending that choice. Why?

          Why?? It’s abundantly clear he will never use it for you or me.

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    He’s retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said “fuck it.” too…

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      And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?

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        Thanks to Trump judges, Presidents have Absolute Immunity.

        Joe can absolutely start draining the swamp.

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        The time to do this would’ve been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.

        The Republicans would’ve howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.

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    If everyone who comments here emailed Joe Biden with suggestions as to how he could use his newly-expanded powers to help deserving people in America (or influenced by America) it would probably not make a difference, but there’s a non-zero possibility he’d actually do some of it.

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    I’ve been trying to say this I don’t ever want to hear republicans complain about people again Unwritten rules are out the window maybe-later-honey

    The double standards on this are driving me mad, good on him tbh maybe-later-kiddo

    I’m gonna grab a lot of popcorn 🍿 when Trump supporters suffer under the upcoming tariffs smuglord

    umm, how about just having standards?
    Why wouldn’t he pardon others with the same charges?

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    I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.

    I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

    I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.

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      Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.

      If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.

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        If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.

        Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That’s a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.

        Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it’s not typical when their guy’s son catches a case.

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      My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he’s established that he’s willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn’t even have to deal with that.

      Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it’s an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don’t think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.

      I’m not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it’d not be about the pardon, it’d be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.

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      Wasn’t solely because of who his dad was. If his dad was just a regular rich dude with political connections, maybe. If he was one of the thousands of black men currently incarcerated under the law that Biden championed himself, hell no.

      Really, he should have just taught his son to do powdered cocaine instead, since that is a rich person drug and thus has a much lower penalty.

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        Didn’t they look through records to figure out he may have been an addict around the time he bought a gun and that’s what he got charged for?

        A law restricting access to gun purchases based on legislation not in the constitution. Thereby … exactly what judges have been trying to rule unconstitutional. So if the law is legitimate… Then states have full right to restrict gun purchases by any of their wants.

        It’s all hypocritical shit.

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      Whomst among us hasn’t been given cushy jobs we aren’t qualified for in corrupt Ukrainian companies by our dad and then done a bunch of blow with prostitutes and tax fraud and illegally owned guns!? Clearly this is a witch hunt.

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    I’m torn.

    It’s bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I’d fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.

    Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that’s almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend’s house in a state where it’s legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.

    But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump’s sycophants will absolutely cling to this.

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      They’ll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden’s case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.

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      Unfortunately Biden is known for packing up the slavery prisons with people who in any just country shouldn’t be there and keeping them there for the profits of corpos. In this light him pardoning his son is even worse than just nepotistic abuse of power.

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      I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.

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        That’s a pretty bold assertion that Biden is not doing anything useful to Americans.

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          Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.

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      Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president

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      How it looks is beside the point. If it’s moral then it’s moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump’s sycophants will do, they’re going to do crazy s*** anyway.

      When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That’s what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can’t find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.

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    It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.

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      They didn’t punch us directly. They paid people for that. That’s why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?

      You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.