Your dinner, their choice
Seems to me that the kids are almost certainly having thanksgiving, just not inviting their father.
General Grant would not approve
I was about to say, General Grant annihilated the confederacy then President Grant tore apart the first KKK. He would probably beat the shit out of this member of the forth KKK.
Conservatives never learn anything. It’s part of why they’re conservative in the first place. They don’t grow, expand their minds, or learn from life. They hit a point where they harden and ruin relationships.
Many, many who vote conservative, used to be liberal. Haven’t you learned that most people turn conservatives as they get older? After growth, and learning more about life and politics, people tend to turn conservative…
The writing on the wall is plain and simple.
Through experience, people can perceive what politics actually effect their life/family/bottom dollar. The 40yo dumbass has seen president’s come and go. The 20yo dumbass might not even have voted for a president yet. But which dumbass probably has a better formed opinion?
As it’s also fondly called, the “Fuck you, I got mine” phenomenon.
100% of the conservatives I’ve known in my life were this, and the libertarians were the same. They have a narrow, self-centered view of everything, and think that everyone has the same exact opportunities they have. If someone isn’t as successful as they are, instead of acknowledging that everyone has a unique set of barriers and experiences, they dismissively write it off as them being lazy.
No, that’s just one of those sayings that goes around. It’s the assumption that people make more money as they age thus causing them to be more conservative. Maybe this was true in the 80s
I gotta say, I’m becoming more lefty as I age. I grew up with an emphasis on personal responsibility, self reliance etc. Those principles still ring true with me. But I have seen them twisted by conservatives to be used against individuals in the interests of the 1%, the corporations. Trump doesn’t even pretend to play by the same rules. He has literally said “I take no responsibility at all” while as the president for things he was in control of. That’s not a leader, it’s a ruler.
I used to be more leaft leaning when young yes. Now I turned 40… I’m feeling anarchist I tell ya… Burn everything stop oppressing no one should have power.
I’ve heard this multiple times and have very rarely seen it apply. Usually if they’re conservative in their later years, they always were. It just wasn’t as prevalent or talked about. I’ve been a lefty since I was a kid and have not deviated at all.
It’s like people that once supported Bernie now voting for Trump (they’re a strange anomaly but they exist). They were never actually liberal. They either voted entirely on vibes and feels, or they got swept up in the wave of others around them. Then eventually their true self surfaces.
People grow more conservative when they have something to conserve. Also because they’re wanker and weren’t raised right.
I find that they’re usually fixated on materialistic things. They get a little money and it goes to their head.
Also the world moves towards progressiveness by definition so people who still have the same views with 80 as they did with 20 are probably more conservative (in the traditional sense of the word) relative to the rest of the world.
It could be “learning more about life and politics” or it could be “becoming senile and having a steady diet of FOX News, Facebook, and YouTube”. Since higher levels of education are correlated with leftist politics, I’m betting on the second one.
I don’t think age makes people conservative, I think power makes people conservative. If you accumulate wealth and power then you may become conservative in order to protect your wealth from taxes.
Just as others in this thread have said, it’s the “fuck you, I got mine” attitude.
I am 44 and went from conservative to liberal. My parents always told me I would switch as I got older and that was wrong. What I learned was conservatives want three things: money, controlling people, and being allowed to say the quiet part out loud.
What amazes me is conservatives are “Christian” yet don’t want to provide health care to people. I don’t remember Jesus in the bible healing people then asking for payment later.
Everyone is dynamic and unique, and no one’s experience is the same as another’s. Of course. I speak in generalities. Personally, I grew up identifying as conservative, then around 23, as my political opinions changed, I considered myself a liberal. That lasted about a dozen years, but now, again, I consider i probably fall more into the conservative camp.
In my experience, the loudest conservatives I’ve met have all fallen into 2 categories:
Explicitly “fuck you I got mine” I can at least appreciate the honesty with these ones.
And “I haven’t read a book since 12th grade, and now I struggle to read at a 2nd grade level.” And that’s just performing the act of reading. Actual comprehension and critical thinking are completely beyond them.
The religious types are part of the equation too, but my area isn’t particularly religious, so I don’t often come across those assholes.
The religious types are really just subsets of the other types who want to play the “See, it is not me saying all those bigoted things about you, it is my god” card to avoid counter-arguments.
I mean the point of conservatism is to “not change”, or “conserve” the old ways. Learning by definition means understanding new ideas which may even lead to trying new things, aka trying to “progress”, a leftist idea.
Well, golly gee, he “let” his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can’t imagine why they’d spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
The vice president elect said people with kids should get more votes. The next step in that slippery slope is to have control of your grown-ass kid’s votes until they know how to “vote properly”.
As much as I want to boycott my parents thanksgiving dinner, my dad is almost 80 and I only got so many days left to even hang out with him. Plus my mom is cool so I got that going for me.
My dad is almost 80 and a Trump supporter. Fuck that guy. Let him die lonely.
And I respect your choice. I’ve just never had that bad relationship with my dad. He’s a fucking idiot that doesn’t understand what the hell he even voted for, but he’s not a terrible person. Not a good person, but not a terrible person. My dad’s ignorant, not a fascist. Which I’m sure a lot of people that voted for him fall under that category. Even if it is unfortunate.
But I fully support your choice. If your dad is anything like the dude in this post he’s probably not a good person.
Noooo if you don’t disown him, you’re letting Trump win! You have to cut every loved one who voted Trump out of your life RIGHT NOW!..
…at least if you want to follow the advice that was repeatedly thrown my way when I expressed a similar sentiment about not abandoning my elderly father
I’m honestly so much happier to not have those people in my life. You do you, centrist/troll man, but a lot of us can see the mental health benefits and are happy to burn the bridges.
People are going non contact with people who are toxic, not just because of how they voted. Dude in the screenshot clearly has more going on than just how he voted that drove his daughters to go no contact. You can read his reaction and recognize that
Yes, I’m aware. I’m referring to OC’s comment and the response I got when I said something similar (that I was struggling to talk to my dad after the election but I didn’t want to disown him over it). The same hyperbole I’ve seen dozens of times here.
It’s the political version of the awful relationship advice from reddit.
Instructions unclear, deleted the gym
“My girlfriend cried the other day and I don’t know if I did something wrong or she’s upset about something else”
BREAK UP WITH HER, HIRE FACEBOOK, DELETE THE GYM, AND HIT A LAWYER
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Yeah sure the daughters fell for the propaganda
womp womp
You know, I’m not sure I believe that “PDX Conservative” keeps all of his political beliefs to himself and didn’t argue with his kids about their political beliefs. Given his tweet with over 200K views, it seems to me like Mr. conserve_p may be understating his willingness to loudly declare his political opinions to anyone who will listen including to his liberal children that he is publicly calling rude and childish.
My dad is hardcore conservative, identifies as independent. My mom was Democratic, she’s now hardcore Republican to reflect the political views of her 4th husband.
I want so badly to just not see any family for Thanksgiving because their political views are so dramatically opposed to mine, but that just doesn’t feel right in my heart.
Everyone I love supports things I’m ethically and morally against, but shit dude, my circle of people is already so small. I want to have family and friends in my life, but I also want to surround myself with people who share my values. Unfortunately I have to choose one over the other, and that feels dirty.
Doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Maybe you can go every second one. Or go and if it comes up and gets heated you could leave?
I’m not from the US, but my mother held some questionable craycray views for a long time, but I only fully realized & saw the extend of it after the refugee crisis in 2014. I tried to somehow bear with her, but in the end, also for some other reasons, I had to cut her out of my life, simply for my own sake. I’m rather alone than surrounded by toxic people.
You’re allowed to make new friends.
Oh wow why didn’t I think of that
Going no contact or limited contact is a personal decision everyone has to decide for themselves. I’m lucky enough to have boomer parents who aren’t hateful/gullible conservatives.
It is a personal choice, but it also enables fascism. It is important that we not ignore this.
People say “what would you do to stop the Nazis” and in America, we can’t even bring ourselves to do the very minimum to socially isolated Nazis while that is still a viable option. How’s it going to go if we need to take up arms against them? How many people are going to say “I know my father is marching with brownshirts who lynch gay people, but I’m pretty sure he isn’t actually holding the rope.”
Personally, I’d cut them off as I’m diametrically opposed to fascism and bigotry. But I get that family relationships can be complicated, and if people are dependent on those Trump supporters cutting them off really isn’t a viable option. The reality is we’re all more isolated than ever, and without some kind of support system, cutting off the few people some have connections with might end up doing more harm than good. We need stronger communities built around opposing the coming tidal wave of crushing hatred - much easier said than done.
It isn’t because he voted a certain way. It’s because the person he supports and his followers make his daughters less safe. The person he supports is a rapist and by supporting him you tacitly condone rape. And the more people look the other way the more accepted it becomes. Your daughter’s aren’t in danger because of some migrants, your daughter’s are in danger because weirdo men want to control their bodies to the point that they’ll let your daughter’s die to save a fetus. Whether or not you, the father, personally believe these things, you are empowering those that do. You are making the world a more scary and less safe place for your daughters.
Yeah, no wonder they don’t want to associate with you. I wouldn’t either
I have to ask, are there conservatives in PDX?
Sure. Oregon was initially established by white supremacists. It has an old culture of racism deep in its bones.
Plently of racist shitheads all over, even in liberal enclaves like portland.
Sigh.
Might find this interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/
It’s not necessarily about his vote, it’s about what it presents. His enthusiasm shows not only is he okay with Trump and his associated behaviour, he’s actively advocating for it.
And considering how Trump treats women, anyone who can look their own daughters in the eye and advocate for that POS doesn’t deserve them in his life.
Sad that elections tear families apart. And that goes for all sides making discussions like this. The moment you stop dialogue you stop the change you want to make. Both pathetic and sad, I hope for a future of coexistance in American families.
My father voted trump in 2016, and again in 2020. I have had a “dialogue” going with him about it since 2016. In 2020 my mother moved out. He said that was the worst day of his life. I furthered the dialogue and he put his foot down, not wanting any more political discussions. The day after Election Day he was celebrating the win while listening to the Woodie Guthrie protest music I got him for his birthday. I tried to explain the irony to him, and that was the last time I have spoken to him.
We’ve had various “dialog” for decades and see where it let us. Down the shitter. If you voted for Trump, you actively voted for a protofascist clown that is about to fuck over not just the US but also the rest of the world - and you think more dialog is going to help, let alone save us? Would you say the same if the example was about people voting for the NSDAP? The only thing you can tell those fascist enablers is to go fuck themselves.
At this point cutting toxic people out of your life is going to be important to try and keep your mental health up.
The man screenshotted doesn’t seem to want to. He’s pathetic and sad, I agree.
I can imagine this happens throughout the USA. All I see are souls to be winned
