Hello. Can I please make my internet experience both echoier and chamberier than it already is because it makes me sad when I encounter someone online who has different thoughts to me.
Now what’s the juicy backstory to this drama?
ive noticed several communities being moved off of .ml because of overacting mods shitting their own beds (my fav movies comm being one of them). kinda the whole point of the 'verse. i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not
the locals at .ml seem to have this notion that theyre too big to fail, which is patently not true considering the tiny size of the fediverse overall.
id recommend users utilize a ‘home’ instance thats more of an onramp than local-content curation… (https://moist.catsweat.com being in this category) they tend to not defederate from any instances so users can easily switch subscriptions when shit goes sideways in the content-heavy servers without making new accounts.
i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not
This isn’t unique to world or ml. There’s some wonky shit going on with federating across Lemmy at the very least, maybe other parts of the fediverse that I don’t use. On walledgarden there are at least half a dozen instances that are falling in and out of sync with our communities. No one on either side of the connection seems to have an answer for what caused this behavior or how to correct it. Talking to some other instances, we aren’t alone.
The lemmyverse crawler/site has also shown some odd behavior with communities and instances disappearing and reappearing seemingly at random.
I don’t think anything malicious is being done by any of the instances or admins in regards to federation delays.
OP is a nazi in the slow process of walling themselves off to everything but the furthest right most racist social circle possible and .ml is the worst now that hexbear and lemmygrad are gone. It won’t be enough and the cycle will just continue if they get their way.
If that’s your argument then I assume the “nazi” accusation is just bs. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were full of extremists.
Tankie alert please ignore comment or block user and move on
Not sure what if any specific accusations you have in your head that remain unspoken, but the only thing you’re doing right now is showing off your terminal war on terror brain. “Extremists” means nothing. You’re talking about a community that posts owl pictures.
Did they yell at you too much for supporting a genocide? Did someone in your past refer to someone trying to purge leftists a ‘nazi’ and you took it personally?
You’re the extremist. You’re upset because you’re a bad person talking about good people.
It’s hilarious how I don’t even need to say anything more than that those two websites are bad and you immediately constructed a whole bogeyman to punch at.
Anyone who’s visiting lemmygrad.ml (btw having a logo literally showing a battle tank) for more than 30 minutes and reading replies will not just see phenomenal bias towards China, the USSR and BRICS but utter denial of anything bad about them (usually through a mix of whataboutism and rabbit holes of political theory that eventually lead nowhere unless seen through a romanticized lense). Common “NATO caused Ukraine” and even old USSR propaganda nonsense gets flung around. Meanwhile you have to click through it really hard to find even one, for example, China-critical post (couldn’t find even one). Same with hexbear. The bias is as bad as your comebacks.
Well educated people are able to see and criticize all kind of wrongdoing, let it be from Russia, Israel, USA, China, socialism, capitalism or even some internet dork in the comment section. Those communities can not, they’re purely ideology- and doctrin-driven.
I welcome anyone reading this to visit lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net and make up their own mind. 🙂
Are you literally a bot? Your answer is so generic and nonspecific. Why are you replying to me if you’re not going to answer my questions or respond to anything I said.
What boogeyman? This is the second time someone’s used that buzzword without explaining wtf they’re talking about with it.
The other 90% of your comment is just you being a fucking idiot saying shit about things you’ve never investigated. It alludes to the idea that you’ve had arguments with people before, but when they inform you of recent history and uncontroversial facts, you just have a mental block that prevents you from learning anything. But it cannot be emphasized enough: it’s nothing but a robotic rant about leftists that you could have stuck under any comment that triggered you.
But I’ll second your recommendation that people visit those sites, especially hexbear. These people are not normal, they’re not good, and there are places where you can have a good internet experience without these right wing psychos recreating the worst parts of reddit.
Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime
Damn, never noticed I couldn’t say stuff like “the US is a shitshow” over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!
Buggers, guess I’ll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.
Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you’re liable to have your comment removed for “misinformation”, especially if you cite academic works.
Same answer as above: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/25676408/14608182
I can also cite academic papers that apparently prove homeopathy works or, if time doesn’t matter, that lobotomy is worth a nobel prize. Doesn’t mean they ain’t of low quality / biased and pro-shit.
Where are you finding low-quality works being cited by MLs? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but ML groups are infinitely more willing to engage in self-crit than liberals.
An example I had comments removed for was Liberalism: A counter history, that goes through the words, actions, and context of major liberal philosophers to define liberalism.
Also Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia, because using real data to derive a nuanced understanding distracted from the USSR bad circle-jerk.
Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes
Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they’re also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).
Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain’t pissed because you’re anti-US, but because you’re pro-shit?
Sigh… Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I’m against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in “The West”. I’m against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I’m against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I’m against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.
Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy “radicalized” me?
So cool that you’re allowed to criticize the US except you just happen to believe everything it says about everything it actually does so you’re never in conflict with it at all ever
Nice bogeyman you got there, really polished. You must have worked hard on it.
I’m sorry, what do you think a ‘boogeyman’ is? Do you dipshits just throw darts at a board to pick thought terminating cliches?
How does the concept of ‘boogeyman’ relate to the idea that you have never been in a position to learn if you have free speech in the first place, since you never say anything that conflicts with power?
Tankie alert mate just ignore the comment, block and please move on
You do know that you guys sound like a cult. The sovcits of the fediverse.
One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don’t agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?
NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it’s the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???
Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?
I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?
From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though… Commonly people’s summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post
Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/“not fix it” and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.
Thus this meme was born lol
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As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
What were the normal words that people found so offensive?
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).
In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.
Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.
What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?
Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.
I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.
Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.
I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn’t parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Je suis en retard
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur
I’m supposed to get away with doing things
Except nobody use it as an insult in french. Why tf are a bunch of yank telling me how to use my fucking language. Englocentrist much?
It’s an english slur filter on an english speaking website.
Are you a fucking moron? You’re acting like a fucking moron.
Holy shit look at how much white people want to say the n word. Look at them gnash their teeth in agony over the concept of not being allowed to say the n word. Look at them try to invalidate the idea of not saying the n word with this backdoor shit.
Dudes takes are so bad even he doesn’t want to upvote them lol:
Did you only read half of my comment?
What about the French example?
You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.
Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”
How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”
When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.
I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”
They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
But they don’t even pretend to be anarchists, they’re Marxist-Leninists, hence the ml
If “they dont even pretend to be anarchists”, then why would the comment
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
be necessary in the first place?
If you look at the comment above that one, you might be able to figure it out
What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?
A (false) fallacy fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.
.ml people don’t even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I’ve seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear teanoarwncy bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
we need to be even smaller
That’s not the argument, please don’t trust it needlessly like that
The point is that having everything be on one instance results in the centralized abuse of power we saw with reddit
Per example: .world has some famously bad power mods (a certain soaring mollusk comes to mind) same as reddit, growing communities outside of that centralized area gives us a place to run when they finally snap completely, as is inevitable with power mods
This is very easy to do thanks to how Lemmy works
That mod has one political community. That’s it. “They” appears to be one mod of one community that you have an issue with.
The way I see it if they get defederated a lot of the people will migrate away from it and it won’t be “too big to fail” anymore
The best way to keep them all contained would be to not defederate but encourage everyone on other instances to add it to their instance mute list so you don’t have to interact with them.
Why the fuck does every .world user want Lemmy to be Reddit? Seriously go to Reddit OP.
honestly, I eventually got fed up enough and instance blocked .ml on my account a couple weeks ago, and Ive barely noticed a difference. It was the bulk of lemmy right after it started to get some migration from Reddit, but it isnt nearly as essential these days already
Unfortunately we can still see their comments
How do you block .ml on your account?
Assuming that these settings are a universal part of lemmy and not instance specific, I click my name in the top right corner, select settings from the dropdown, and then there is a page with 2 tabs, one saying settings and a second that I can switch to called “blocks”. In the blocks tab, I can view and add to lists of blocked users, communities, and instances. Just go to the instances drop down, and search “lemmy.ml” and click the option that appears to add it to the block list.
Nice. TYVM.
Tbf that doesn’t actually do much at all in terms of blocking an instance, hence is horribly misnamed imho. All it does is mute communities located on that instance. The users from that instance can still harass you in posts in other communities, triggering notifications, vote on your content, etc.
The Sync and Connect can do true user-level blocking of any instance you choose without needing admin support, and the Lemmy alternative PieFed, or e.g. Lemmy.cafe or dubvee org have blocked all of the big 3 tankie instances.
I noticed a change for the better.
We need to grow the [email protected] alternative more!
TIL. Thanks.
That was one of the few
.mlcommunities I actually missed when I defederated from them last year and couldn’t find a replacement for. Subscribed!I will try to post more there ;)
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
Free speechers on .world can’t handle interacting with any dissenting opinions to the left of the Bush Administration.
my instance has been defederated from .ml for ages and i can personally confirm fedi is still fun here :) take that as you will
Same.
Huh? Why can I still see your comment?
Lemmy.ml hasnt defederated from Lemmy.cafe, it only goes one way
Hopefully more instances follow in suit ;)
Yeah it’s an amazing experience without them.
- posted on *.world
Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don’t get it, it’s the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it’s gone
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
