We’re all set to suffer for the foreseeable future, but no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.
I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer. They deserve it.
no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.
That’s a nice fiction, but they’re already so cut out of the fruits of the economy that its dubious at best.
The folks who suffer on net will be middle class professionals who see their economic floor drop out from under them. They’ll be forced into living like poor, rural conservatives as prices skyrocket and disposable income dries up.
I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer
You won’t watch them suffer. You’ll watch “Lifestyles of the Crypto Billionaire” on one channel and “Bum Fights: Disenfranchised Minority Edition” on the other because that’s what the folks enriching themselves in the Trump economy want to show people.
While guns, which are manufactured in the US will stay the same price…coffee and chocolate will go up a lot.
So there are going to be some edgy people with access to firearms.
Stay safe next year.
Not so sure about the prices of firearms and ammunition remaining stable. Under Mango Mussolini, the fucknut MAGATs went into full panick buying mode and demand flew past supply resulting in price increases across the board.
How many gun manufacturers are actually based in the US? I’m fairly sure it’s like 2. Sig and Smith & Wesson… most firearms are imported. Including Springfield, which used to be a US manufacturer.Never mind, it’s still a fair number. Lots are imported though and you’re paying a lot more for a lot of US brands.
Can we stop with these “and then everyone clapped stories” it’s just as bad as the fake trans stories conservatives made up to make themselves angry.
It’s like the five stages of grief but with not knowing what the consequences of voting against your interests are.
1 - Gloating
2 - Overconfidence
3 - Denial
4 - Doubt
5 - Leopards ate my face
I have non-blood relatives with family in Ukraine. For now.
I have others with mounting medical debt that is as dangerous as the cancers.
I know victims of SA that are sure it won’t happen to any of their family or friends.
I hope I’m wrong. I hope this is the wrongest I’ve ever been.
“So, are you going to pay out of pocket for college now?”
“No, I’m getting student loans.”
“Do you know what department in the federal government does student loans? The department of education, which Trump is going to get rid of.”
“Damn it!”
They’ll just say the loans should be privatized. Because it turned out great last time we gave private companies free reign to swindle vulnerable populations into signing massive loans for societal necessities.
They’re not at the damn it phase yet. They’re still at the trigger the libs phase.
What are all the stages of Leopards ate my face?
“It won’t happen. And if it does, it’s the Democrats’ fault.”
Yeah, that’s one of the new narratives. “Trump won’t be that bad. He lies all the time.”
Oh jeez, even if it isn’t true, “It’s okay, I’ll be able to afford the price increase no matter what. Best of luck to you though.” is the best possible response to anyone convinced that tariffs are a good idea.
Just agree with them and say “I don’t mind paying 2, 3, even 4 times as much for groceries and other household items if it teaches China a lesson. Elon said we were going to need to make sacrifices to do this.”
This election proved that there are a lot of dumb-asses that need to go back to school to take U.S. Government, Civics, and Economics because they didn’t learn it the first time, or they never had to take them to graduate high school. Seriously, why in the f#ck would you entrust the economy to a dumbf#ck who bankrupted TWO casinos!! The freaking business model, of a casino, is people walk in, then over the course of two to four hours hand you all their money and then leave. You REALLY have to be a dumbf#ck to fail at that.
Americans are even dumber than that.
A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.
We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.
That’s how stupid Americans are. And this election showed us that the majority of Americans are that stupid. When a majority of a society is that stupid, there are no happy endings. We’re set for a period of long decline.
Yes, I remember the reports on that podcast. (There was no way that I could listen to it.) Apparently, common sense has left the building. When I took ancient history, another student asked how or why did the Roman Empire fall. (Honestly, the answer has multiple factors.) However, we have witnessed the reason why the U.S. will fail. The republicans’ planned results of demolishing the education system has seen fruition and the plot of “Idiocracy” has come to pass.
“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson
Yup. That’s actually why I’m almost relieved in a way. The last 4 years I spent A LOT of time on social media trying to combat misinformation by spreading factual data. It didn’t matter. Americans aren’t intersted in learning. Many aren’t even interested in doing their civic duty by voting. So now I’m hands off. I’m just here to watch the slow (or maybe fast) collapse. I honestly don’t believe there’s much to be done about it at this point.
The collected data over time is there. Freely available. It clearly shows us which choice was the more intelligent choice. And we ignored that and chose poorly at a vital point in American history, despite being given all the warning signs.
We are simply a society set up to fail.
Here bro, for your next tweet: . . . . . . . .
Spend them wisely
Okey, I get it now. That was funny, it just took reading the other comments first.
Yes but Trump, Musk, Thiel, and other billionaires will get a little bit richer and all they had to do was tell a bunch of stupid fucking yokels that it’s okay to be bigoted trash.
“They can have theirs (money and racism) if they let me have mine (racism).” - a stupid fucking yokel
Yes but Trump, Musk, Thiel, and other billionaires will get a little bit richer
You all still don’t get it.
It’s not that people were convinced they’d get richer. It’s that they’ve gotten significantly poorer over the last four years while Dems were in charge.
They see big corporations making huge profits and somehow come to the conclusion it must be the illegal immigrants who are causing the problem (?)
In part, yes.
I’ve seen it myself as the son of a roofing contractor who votes Republican because when he was younger and his business was thriving, his bids were undercut by other companies using illegal labor. Now he’s in his 80’s and driving for DoorDash, because that’s the only job he can get and Biden and Co. aren’t going to do anything to help his situation if he doesn’t find a way to make money.
I’m just one person in America, but there are millions of stories like this. It really can’t be denied that while there are many positive effects of immigration, there are also negative effects, and those can become more pronounced when illegal immigration numbers increase as dramatically as they have in the past four years.
With that said, nearly every working class American is struggling on some level, having watched their grocery, utility, and rent costs double and triple over the last four years. They may not even give a shit about immigration, but they do care that they’re working 60-80 hours a week (or more) and their pay isn’t sufficient to deal with the cost of living.
And Dems wasted months of the campaign telling struggling people to be joyful.
“Increase as dramatically as they have in the past four years” But have they really. The numbers I’m seeing don’t seem to support your point:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/ Shows that generally the number of Unauthorized immigrants increased from 1990 at 3.5 million to 11.31 in 2006, and have bounced around 10.49 to 11.75 (2016) up to 10.99 in 2022.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
because that’s the only job he can get and Biden and Co. aren’t going to do anything to help his situation if he doesn’t find a way to make money.
What’s Trump going to do for his situation?
“Our guy is as bad as their guy” isn’t the blistering retort you think it is.
Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump, that’s the galling thing.
But really, it doesn’t matter now and I’m done arguing about it.
We’re all going to suffer, but the fire that will warm my heart for the next four years is all the calories I’ll burn telling Trump voters. Stein voters, and non-voters that they are getting what they voted for.
We’re all going to suffer, but the fire that will warm my heart for the next four years is all the calories I’ll burn telling Trump voters. Stein voters, and non-voters that they are getting what they voted for.
I mean, pretending you’re better than everyone else is definitely a choice. Democrats used to be the party of the working poor but they’ve morphed into the party of ideological superiority.
I must admit I’m a tad shocked watching you folks double down on all your mistakes after this last election.
The economy moves slowly. The impacts on your pocketbook over the last 4 years were a direct result of the tariffs trump imposed during his previous stint in the White House, his absolutely abysmal reaction to Covid, and several other things he and his cronies did during that time.
Biden fixed much of that, and as a result, inflation in the US slowed so it was less than in other countries that were impacted by many of the same market forces. It was already too much to completely reverse, but it was far better than it would have been otherwise.
But instead of understanding what actually happened, loads of people seem to think the president can just flip a lever and the whole economy will turn on a dime – despite decades and decades that show that the economy is always better under democrats. Because democrats fix things, so the next republican administration looks good for a few years, then republicans break things, so the next democrat administration looks bad for the first few years. The economy is as nimble as the Titanic.
So now, the US has voted the same guy back in who wrecked the economy that we’re still feeling the effects of, so he can reverse Biden’s improvements and instead make it far, far worse.
People’s inability to learn the absolute basics of how the economy works is about to fuck us all.
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Biden fixed much of that,
Fixed it how, exactly?
What precisely did Biden do that affects the working class and poor, who from where I’m sitting, are convinced they’ve been abandoned. They’re convinced of this because their expenses have doubled and tripled, and if they’ve gotten better pay at all, it hasn’t kept up with the cost-of-living increases.
You can discuss economic theory until you’re blue in the face. Biden had a mandate for real change and failed in the most basic way, and Americans are working 2-3 jobs to scrape by in this country.
8 Ways the Biden Administration Is Improving the Lives of Service Workers
Biden’s Unheralded War on Poverty
And previously:
The Biden Boom: Economic Recovery in 2021
And more recently:
Bidenomics Is Starting to Transform America. Why Has No One Noticed?
I don’t have time right now to go through and create a short bullet list from these, but I highly suggest you read them. The information is there. I have many more lesser-reported policies, and I can make a summary list tomorrow.
I’ll do that, thanks for the info.
I’m going to be hard to convince. I had to loan my car to my 80 year-old parents in April, because if they don’t drive for DoorDash they’ll be homeless. Further, at least in my social circle, most of the people I know have cut back tremendously due to this economy.
That’s hard for me to digest, especially after seeing the Federal Government come down hard on people who created scarcity and then overcharged for PPE during COVID. It’s just no secret they can do more.
I was angry about Biden in 2020, but between the infrastructure act, the chips act, and the soft landing, while I’ve had a difficult few years I actually liked his leadership (for what it was). I saw him as an old centrist who did a lot of bad things in the senate, and yeah that’s probably what’s in his heart of hearts. And while his pushes towards American sustainability were not as good as I wanted but better than we’ve had in a long time. He focused on long term and stabilizing policies to prevent recession, something we all expected that never came. He also put a lot of emphasis on not ignoring the things that needed done but had been put on the back burner for years like the bridges that former DOT officials refused to use. There’s also his FTC, with Lena Kahn being an aggressive advocate for the American people and being the only person in his administration that brought the energy that we needed.
I don’t think Biden will be remembered highly. His economic strategies were of the “build long term stability through slow and methodical action” variety in a country devastated by decades of short term economic thinking. But more than that, he repeatedly insisted on an outdated style of governance, one based on the assumption that bipartisan cooperation was possible. He didn’t commit Ford’s sin, but he was too soft handed with the J6ers. More than anything, as the nation crumbled he acted as though sound economic policy and diligent justice that prioritized appearing nonpartisan would save us. Also his waiting to step down and placing his VP who did just terribly in the primaries he only won by mass dropout as his replacement was not good.
I suspect he will be remembered alongside the likes of Calvin Coolidge and Andrew Johnson. But yeah, I was surprisingly impressed by his economic and infrastructure policies, even though they were more slow than ideal.
Please do, and thanks for being open-minded. I’m going to copy part of a comment I made from the other day so you know where I’m coming from:
I’m fully disabled, and most of my friends and family died within the last few years, so I have no support network.
I’m already struggling to survive, having to choose between food and medicine, and am overdrawn every month. All my savings are gone. I have literally no money to my name, and have been barely staving off homelessness for months. I rely completely on social services now, which trump has vowed to cut.
I will not survive this administration. My fellow Americans have voted for me to die.
I’ve spent a lot of time truly learning about how all of this works, because it affects me more than most people. I am not kidding that I’m pretty sure I won’t survive another trump administration. That’s based on objective fact. Things will be getting a lot worse for your parents soon, too, and I’m very sorry for that. We were on track to actually recover and improve our conditions, and that progress will now be reversed.
I really wish US voters weren’t so susceptible to misinformation and propaganda, but here we are.
That all tracks. I’m sorry we’re a country that doesn’t take care of its people. I’m used to doing the good that I can with my own two hands, in full knowledge that this country won’t, but I was pleasantly surprised that my state (Missouri) voted down an abortion ban and to approve a $15 minimum wage in the election last week, so at least here it isn’t all bad. (Yet.)
I’m a Green Party voter, so both sides hate me and generally blame me no matter how the election goes, and I’ve found myself vehemently disgusted with both Democrats and Republicans, particularly over the last 30 years as both parties have become proxies for monied American business interests. Growing up the son of a self-employed roofing contractor taught me a lot about how little this country will do to help you, being part of a family that did well half the year and was dirt poor the other half.
How are “Dems in charge” when Republicans have had a majority in both Congress and the Supreme Court for years now? For half the time there was also a Republican President.
It is crazy to me that when the GOP essentially ran the government and still did absolutely nothing for this country and didn’t follow through on anything they blamed the “deep state” and people still bought into it.
If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
- Lyndon B. Johnson
Tarrifs good cuz fuck china. hopefully things will get manufactured elsewhere
Hey look, it’s one of the people who are going to suffer the consequences of their vote.
I’m not american
Tarrifs good cuz fuck china.
American industry has been pivoting away from China for over a decade, because their wages are outpacing India and Indonesia.
Meanwhile, Chinese exports are flooding into Latin America, rapidly improving the economic condition of big countries like Mexico and Brazil.
But sure. Let’s see how this pans out.
China’s wages? You realise half of the numbers the ccp gives simply doesn’t match reality?
I mean sure, but it’s not just the exports but China’s disguised loans. There’s a lot of reaons behind this.
at the end of the day, if the a country want to have products made with slave labor or genocide, they’re going to. I have morals.
You realise half of the numbers the ccp gives simply doesn’t match reality?
Sure thing, bro.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+fudging+numbers
just google it 🥱
They will be manufactured elsewhere. Namely, places like Cambodia, Vietnam, and Mexico. Those factory jobs aren’t coming to the US.
They were never going to be anyway
I fully agree with screw China, but learn to read a damn label to avoid their low quality trash. The looming Mango Mussolini trade war will increase prices.
You know what can’t get “manufactured” in the U.S.? Things that can’t be grown in the U.S.
So enjoy much more expensive coffee, tea, chocolate and even Coca-Cola.
As far as I’m aware, you don’t need much (or anything at all really) from China to make a bottle of pepsi, coffee or chocolate.
Maybe tea but hell China is the leader in exports but doesn’t disproportionally export more than Kenya or Sri Lanka.
And yet you’re not aware that the tariffs will not only apply to China and it was never suggested that they only apply to China.
Yeah no, that’s fucking idiotic. I’m only talking about china. as per my first comment
China does not exist in isolation and cheering on a terrible economic plan because you see the potential of one good thing coming out of it is a bit silly. Especially when China still has the rest of the world to trade with.
Okay, then lets lift the restrictions and see what happens after they invade taiwan. While we’re at it, why not lift everything that the US has put on Russia and see how they skullfuck ukraine.
Again. I’m only advocating for tarrifs against china. I could not give less of a shit about trump’s grand plan. China literally considers themselves in a trade war against the US. Why are you so against not trading with a country that literally considers you an enemy?
You don’t seem to get it. This is like saying “I advocate for cutting off the pinky toe but ignoring the rest of the foot” while the doctor is standing there with a saw, ready to push you out of the way.
Oh look, another rube who doesn’t understand what a tariff is, how it works, or what it’s supposed to be used for.
👍🥱
China’s economy is already undergoing a transformation and they’ve started moving their capital overseas. Chinese owned businesses will operate out of lots of other countries.
Also: it takes a long time for supply chains to handle change as we saw with the pandemic. How many years of high prices for Chinese goods before all of the manufacturing has left China? That is assuming that other countries can immediately match Chinese efficiency and don’t have higher prices for many more years due to needing to recoup the initial expenditure.
Yeah it sucks that capitalists outsourced (and continue to outsource even in the service sector) all of your jobs, but they’re doing it because even the meager amount of your production that was coming back into your pocket rather than lining theirs is insufficient for them.
You’re attacking the problem from the wrong angle because that’s how they want you to attack it. Funny how the wealthiest American oligarchs aren’t threatened by any of this economic change that’s supposedly here to help the average American.
You’re worried about “right to work” while Elon added 70 billion to his net worth and thousands of people (generations of his offspring) will never have to work a day in their extravagant lives.
Keep worrying about CHY-nuh, though.
Nuh uh. I’m worried that China is actually going to pose a threat. I’m worried that the CCP is going to continually abuse their populus. I’m worried that China will continue to play dirty like they always have.
If they take their operations elsewhere, the problem will expand and the problem would unironically suck. I just hope to god that the other countires they’re expanding out to don’t allow absolute exploit of their people and have proper inspections, health & safety, certs, standatds, etc.
USA literally uses child labor overseas
the usa literally uses child labor internally lmfao. The difference is that in normal countires, there’s actual bramches of gov that do their job.
I mean. In the us, it’s a solvable problem. Take some time and lobby and encourage others too.
this is anyeurism potential
I sincerely doubt most of these stories are actually happening. It’s true. But I doubt the actual interaction occurred. Seeing this same story different ways all over the internet. I live in a region surrounded by right wingers and aside from those flags and occasional hats, I hardly ever hear anyone outright talk about their politics.
I have a friend who has had success with pointing out that gutting social welfare systems means they won’t get a check anymore.
But, those people were willing to have an actual conversation about it.
Yeah, it’s the “the train stood up and clapped” bullshit that people post on their socials.
If these people knew anything about history they’d know about President Hoover raising tariffs, which prompted every country we traded with to do the same, making everything more expensive and worsening the Great Depression. The thing is, for all the podcasts and 24-Hour news voters in this country consume, they don’t know jack shit other than to pull the lever for whichever candidate their preferred news network tells them to.
ironically Trump’s greatest fear is becoming hoover yet his favorite word is tariff
unstoppable force, meet unmovable wall
Please, he doesn’t know who Hoover is. He thinks that’s the vacuum entrepreneur that became president President then went on to run the cia…
I’m shocked. Not only does he know anything about early 20th century American politics and economics, but also apparently the my pillow lunatic has a media channel
And yeah, I suspect that there will be a crash in the next 12-18 months. The economy is fragile but recovering and he’s looking to do massive changes that aren’t well received by experts. He will probably drive us into a depression.
For this to be true, a MAGA diehard would have to have listened to an explanation of what a tariff is from a left leaning person they are trying to taunt, understood the explanation, and believed the explanation a left leaning person gave them that disagrees with what Trump has said.
I have no doubt many MAGA types could understand the explanation, but when in gloat mode, I seriously doubt much listening was happening. Even if they did listen the chances of them believing that explanation over Trump’s seem low to me.
As an European: The Brexiteers who “suddenly” were excluded from free travel and prolonged stays within Europe due to their own voting gave a stream of similar stories. It was and is hilarious to watch.
I do believe that such dialogues are really happening and will continue to happen in the US around the clock from now on.
I particularly love the stories where they owned real estate or villas and they’re like “this doesn’t apply to meeeeee, right?!”
Narrator “It did in fact, apply to them.”
Its like, what kinda moron asshole doesn’t even hire or ask a lawyer to give them actual legal advice about this shit?
Just statistically they have to happen. There are millions of democrats with maga neighbors that cant shut up about shit but dont actually know what they are talking about. Whether these stories happen to the people that post about them is a different question.
There are millions of democrats with maga neighbors
Democrats be like:
🔴Cut out MAGAzis from their life.
🔴Treat MAGAzis cordially to find out how fucked they are going to be.
Find out their weaknesses for when the purge hits.
Bullets. Like most people, they are weak to bullets.
Taken from a 196 post i saw earlier
The fascists have found surprising success in choosing to make their suicides everyone’s problem. I’m not telling people to kill themselves, don’t, life is worth living even now, survival is a radical act, etc, but it is food for thought and a thing to contemplate why we let happen
Believe it or not, any sufficiently large group of people will have people who behave differently within it
Considering Democrats lost ground with every single voting demographic, it would seem to me that they’re going to have to quit being so smug and actually get on people’s level, if only by necessity.
“I put a fascist in power because people pointed out my ignorance, and I don’t want to change that.”
-Typical 3x trump voter-
You’re wrong.
And that’s why Dems lost the election.
Look at Missouri, where we voted down an abortion ban in a landslide, passed a $15 minimum wage in a landslide, and still went fully red. These aren’t bad people. They’re people that are sick of being told to be joyful when they’re working 2-3 jobs for the privilege of barely surviving in America, and it’s happening under Democrats.
“I put a fascist in power because mcdonals tripled the price on a quarter pounder combo”
-Typical 3x trump voter apologist-
I’m not an apologist.
Just pointing out simple facts, and I’d think after this last election a reasonable person would get that repeating memes isn’t terribly convincing.
I literally had a very similar experience yesterday at a bar. (See my other post.) It definitely happens.
I actually believe it because it’s exactly what happened in brexit. Conservatives voted to leave and then they found out what that meant.
Conservatives were so focused on winning that they didn’t bother to actually look into Trump’s “policies” and are not Pikachu faced when understanding it.
These are the same assholes that are going to completely forget two years from now that Trump raised prices and will still vote Republican in the midterms.
That’s a succinct way to put it. It’s definitely hilarious watching them bleed from their own hubris, though.
Times like these when being a petard salesperson really pays off.
Does punctuation count towards character count on Twitter? Cause that could explain a complete lack of it
Yes, yes it does.
That 1 comma didn’t really help in making sense.
