• Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Drawbacks of living in a country where half the people are dumbshits. It’s the new normal and we better get used to it. When you are out in public doing anything, look around. Roughly half the people you see are fucking idiots.

  • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Unfortunately, this kind of ignorance comes from a weakening of our education system. It’s not just on them that this has happened, and its only going to get worse if we don’t try to stop it.

    • ysjet@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Unfortunately one of the stated plans is for trump to completely and utterly eliminate the department of education entirely.

      • jumperalex@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        This!!! I don’t actually expect our K thru 12 education system to inform the average people about macro-economic policy impacts. This is about being gullible, hearing what you want to hear, refusing to listen to opposing opinions with an open mind, and hero worship.

        So if there’s anything to blame on our education system (and society culture at large) it’s a lack of critical thinking education and an excess of magical thinking education that emphasizes blind agreement with authority.

    • ohellidk@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Hey, exactly! The fact that we are even allowing this nonsense is a true testimony to how extremely important education is! If you remain ignorant, you are more easily persuaded to believe anything because you aren’t taught what “bullshit” is, and have no real ability to think for yourself.

      Education is freedom from ignorance.

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Trump’s Tariffs are BIDENS FAULT! And they’ll STILL be Biden’s Fault EVERY TIME I vote for the man who LITERALLY campaigned on creating these Tariffs!

  • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Is the owner of the company purchasing a year’s worth in order to keep the price they charge down, or in order to raise prices in February when their customers expect it because of the new tariffs, and pocket the difference? While having avoided paying bonuses?

    • leisesprecher@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Obviously I don’t know the business in question, but it’s quite possible that the company has a bunch of longer running contracts that would become a loss if the inputs become much more expensive.

      Of course, businesses will use the opportunity to charge more, but sudden price hikes are a very real problem.

      • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        This is almost certainly what’s happening. The proposed tariffs will be very hard on American businesses and devastating for the consumer. It’s quite literally a fairly severe tax on domestic companies and the American people. But, honestly, we could do with a less consumerism in this country. Unfortunately, it’s likely to cause a tough economic downturn that will hurt poor people the most.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 years ago

          Be hilarious if Trump simultaneously collapses the economy and starts a green movement built around an inherent need for a second hand economy.

              • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                2 years ago

                Well, they didn’t disappear into thin air. 12 million less people voted for Harris, so basically the democrats lost the election more than Trump won it. Trump got basically the same number of votes as he did against Biden.

                • Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  2 years ago

                  Yes that’s what I meant though. Their votes disappeared. Our electronic voting machines have known first hand vulnerabilities.

                  I think they figured it out finally. They’ve been trying to gain access this entire time, and some Republican traitors are being prosecuted for it as we speak. Or were. I guess laws don’t matter anymore since America is finished.

      • stoned_ape@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        I want to hope that it’s this

        I sell steel, and we have been telling everyone to buy as much of their estimated annual usage as possible right now in order for us to hold the pricing, especially if it isn’t mill runs and double especially for exotic alloys.

        It’s going to fuck over so hard the small machine shops that are prevalent everywhere that just do whatever jobs get called out and don’t really have the sway or size to be able to negotiate a better deal.

        The same machine shops that were flying Trump memorabilia.

    • Avicenna@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      if anything like it happens in Turkey, most businesses will buy early, stockpile goods as prices keep increasing (increased effect of tariffs + shortage of goods in market) and release them to the market for a hefty profit

    • Billiam@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Does it matter? This wouldn’t have happened without Trump being elected and the looking threat of tariffs. Whether the owner is using that as cover for jacking up the prices or not, it’s still a LAMF moment.

      • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Oh I don’t disagree! I’m just wondering if the owner is face-eaten or face-eating. Small business owners are more varied than big business leopards.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creator
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      That’s the thing though, most customers don’t expect the price increase because they’re fucking idiots who believes tariffs are good for the economy.

    • AcidOctopus@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Without having more detail I can’t speak with certainty, but, general principles of inventory management and cash flow discourage having a surplus of stock, as that ties up a significant amount of working capital in the costs of storing and handling it all - you risk not being able to pay your liabilities because you’ve sunk all your funds into inventory that hasn’t yet sold and generated more revenue.

      Companies often have longer term contracts with specific prices agreed that can’t always be easily changed. Those contacts could quite easily become unprofitable if there are sudden increases to the direct costs of fulfilling them. So, rather than trying to fuck customers, this company is likely trying to stock-up at current market prices to ride-out the first year of tariffs, but in doing so, needs a large injection of working capital to cover the expenditure (hence cancelling bonuses), and also puts itself in a very vulnerable position where cash flow is concerned by tying up that capital in inventory - any further sudden and unexpected costs could lead to the business folding.

      • coffeecup@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        But that’s not even the point of this. It’s not the company is greedy or not, it’s this administration is causing this.

        • AcidOctopus@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 years ago

          Oh I know. I was just trying to shed a bit of light on whether this company’s decision was an attempt to take advantage and screw people over, or a genuine survival measure.

          The root cause is ultimately the tariffs that will be imposed by the US government.

          In reality the decision will be more nuanced, and this company will likely raise prices wherever it can whilst also securing long-term stock at current prices to both avoid the tariffs and increase margins to recover the capital quicker.

          But yeah. It’s all down to the government’s tariffs.

    • [deleted]@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Large and small manufacturing companies have contracts for orders for months to years out with set prices, some of which might have wiggle room for costs but not to this extent. Plus manufacturing already tries to balance out costs across projects due to fluctuating prices for materials. If their materials double (or more) in price they will be screwed by the contracts and guaranteed to lose money on all of them.

      Buying at the current prices means they will have to pay to have the materials stored in a warehouse, which will cut into their planned profits for those existing contracts. Hell, they might be buying at a higher cost than they normally would when fulfilling the contracts.

      The company is getting screwed, not trying to fleece customers or their employees.

    • adarza@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      they’ll pocket the difference, jack up prices, refuse bonuses next year, business slows, lay off half the staff, buy material on credit–maybe siphoning some of that off, bonuses are now a distant memory, jack prices up again. business slows to a crawl, lay off more. business falters. file bankruptcy with millions of outstanding debt to write off.

      just like their diaper-wearing idol would.

      • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Well you’re 💯 correct on what Trumps would do!

        As an individual small business owner however, they could have gotten caught in the squeeze between contracts and tariffs.

    • Nasan@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      If they’re reputable enough and tend to operate in good faith, they could be giving their customers time to prepare for the incoming price hike. They’ll probably lose customers that can’t afford to operate with the new price later on but the transparency would go a long way towards maintaining healthy business relations with the remaining customers.

  • undercrust@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    So they immediately left that meeting and started talking about how to unionize, right?

    Right?

    • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Unfortunately a union after the fact does nothing to help the workers.

      Unions are great for ensuring that the profit from their labour; is fairly distributed.

      If the company is unprofitable; forming a union to squeeze blood from a stone is not helpful. It will just hasten the demise. These tariffs, as others have pointed out are probably making their fixed term contracts into money losers…We don’t have all the data, but it is quite likely.

      And from a personal point of view, smaller companies tend to care more than big ones…I’ve worked in both. Being 1 of 5 is great, being 1 of 15,000 not so much.

    • jumperalex@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Not sure what a union would have done in this case. The problem is near term cost of inputs vs long term contracts with fixed revenue.

      I’m not saying it would be bad for this to kick them into forming a union, only that it wouldn’t have solved this problem unless the union had an education campaign to explain why excessive tariffs are bad.

      • FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Or I’d imagine, if the bonuses were part of the hypothetical collective bargaining agreement’s verbage, as an entitlement.

        • jumperalex@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 years ago

          Yup, that’s reasonable too.

          But like, that makes it a lumpy salary and not a bonus if it’s an entitlement without a reasonable low floor. Are there union contracts that actually dictate it like that?

          Setting aside for a moment the understandable and reasonable belief that owners will try to fuck labor, a mandated cost divorced from the broader company financial performance metrics, sounds like a way to ensure bankruptcy. Even without this tariff nonsense there are real and honest cases where costs can skyrocket and a company has to adjust and that really does can little to nothing for the bonus pool (or other labor cost) without incurring a lot of financial risk.

          Again, not an argument against unions, 100% support organized labor, but at some point math is math.

          • FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 years ago

            Yes and, labor unions have foregone bonuses in moments like that. The working class has had to pry those bonuses back.

            I don’t think contracts are as rigid as most people would imagine. Especially if the rank and file vote not to collect on the bonus.

            The math do be mathing though.

    • edgemaster72@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Ah but see, there’s juuuuust enough left for the execs to still get their bonuses, and we wouldn’t to deny them their bonuses lest they stop “creating jobs”. And they really needed more corporate tax cuts, so we can’t tell people not to vote against their own interests because then that’s not in the company’s interest.

      tl;dr get fucked peasants

      • [deleted]@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        If only the majority of voters understood anything more detailed than someone shouting a slogan over and over.

        It is great that Harris had a plan. That plan must also be dumbed down to the common voter while campaigning to get through. I mean, Republicans had Project 2025 that was widely available and a ton of Trump voters are going to be surprised when it is implemented because they didn’t read that either.

  • linearchaos@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    not exactly shocking, not the first time Trump has made tariffs. Last time they drove the cost of house construction up.

    • FiveMacs@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      In already prepared. I haven’t bought anything but the small food essentials since 2020. I’m 100% with consuming and will for the foreseeable future.

      • FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Was about to pull the trigger on a new car, but decided to go a much cheaper route and replace my nearly dead computer instead. A mid-tier computer and me sitting at home gaming for a few years will be insanely cheaper and less financially risky than an SUV under Trump’s uneducated shenanigans.

      • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Yup. My household is going to pull back on the impulse to improve and just build up the reserves for the “have to fix” things that happen.

        Working on doing more cooking, more gardening, cutting out expense conveniences. With the waves of deregulation and tariffs coming, prices on everything are going to skyrocket while quality goes to hell. The more we can produce ourselves, the better.

  • SkyNTP@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Hold MAGA voters accountable for their choices. Every. Single. Day.

    Thanks Trump.

    • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      I’m about to print off about a million of those “I did that!!” stickers that the magats loved to stick on gas pumps. You better believe those things are going everywhere.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        Make sure to get pictures of the prices before and after and then toss them on the products with the new price.

      • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        I don’t want to put blame directly on individual voters, in the sense that they might be able to learn in 4 years, and “Trump did that” only addresses the symptom of the problem. “MAGA did that” sounds apt to me.

          • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 years ago

            I’m already too optimistic but perhaps a more direct awareness campaign on how climate denialism, economic isolationism and anti-immigration stances hurt themselves, their friends family and neighbors, and directly make their lives worse.

            • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 years ago

              It has to be kept simple, and packaged like a low-effort meme. Anything too wordy or think-y won’t go viral in the circles that need targeting.

              Maybe we need some fake Facebook pages. Start by reposting crap you already know they’ll share. Once the audience is there, start slowly slipping actual facts into things. It’s gotta start slow, though. The “long con.”

  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Ha ha ha!

    This is absolutely delicious!

    I know I’m going to be fucked over hard but it’s still heartwarming to see those adults who put is here also get fucked even harder!

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    They all thought the foreign company paid the tariff.

    This is probably what Trump thinks, too. I can easily believe he is that stupid.

    I’m also wondering just what the fuck Trump and co. are going to do with all the money obtained from these tariffs. Just, like, spend it all on hookers and blow or what? Remember how you all believed this was the party of “low taxes?” Yeah, guess what a tariff is, fuckers.

  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    The truly enraging thing about the voters who said they voted for trump due to economic concerns is HOW IN THE GODDAMNED FUCK do they think he’s going to fix anything? To the extent that a president can change the cost of living, among the worst ideas is probably to fucking add fees to imports. This is his one idea and yet no one can explain to him the extremely simple negative effect that it would have on consumers.

    This absolute fucking dope had one terrible idea for helping lower prices (which will certainly raise them) and the voters lapped it up without thinking. America is full of morons.

    • TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Studies generally show the economy does better under Democrats than Republicans, in measurements of CPI, GDP, job growth, and unemployment. Republicans however have a massive propaganda machine that has gaslit the country in believing the opposite. Frequently this is backed by short term plays that make things “feel” better but cause significant long term problems. Like a CEO firing the QA team, line goes up this quarter and by the time the consequences arrive they’re gone and blame the next guy.

    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      They’re operating under a lot of propaganda, and no understanding of economics. They’re ignorant of the fact that Trump inherited the economy that Obama fixed, which is why at the time under Trump things are better. They’re ignorant of the fact that Trump fucked everything up with his handling of the pandemic, and in turn fucked the economy up on the way out. They’re ignorant that Biden was trying to clean up Trump’s mess, and instead assign blame to Biden.

      And every after all that, there is still the added fact that the president doesn’t directly control the economy, and has limited options. But that doesn’t matter to them. They’ve been sold a simple solution to a complicated problem.