Looked at the dem votes for the last few elections and it looked consistent except for biden. Who somehow got way more than normal.
2008 69 mil 2012 65 mil 2016 65 mil 2020 81 mil 2024 66 mil
The Biden campaign offered something, notably student loan forgiveness, but both Clinton and Harris’s campaigns relied on the dumbfuck Pied Piper strategy that they would offer nothing to the voters other than being not-Trump.
That’s a dumb fucking strategy because there are fewer people that will vote Democrat as the lesser evil than will vote Republican just because Republican. They have to court people with policies they actually want.
And the absolute crazy thing is they tried this in 2016 and it failed, yet somehow had the balls to try again when it mattered more.
Tbf, you would have to hate yourself a lot to look at trump and say “eh… i dont agree with him and he’s likely to completely fuck the country and endanger millions of innocent lives… but look! The democrats are only saying that they arent trump. I better not do a damn thing and hope for the best!”
I guess democrats are just are idiotic and short visioned as republicans. Perhaps they are in fact the same.
And the absolute crazy thing is they tried this in 2016 and it failed, yet somehow had the balls to try again when it mattered more.
They could blame 2016 on Hillary, not on the “I’m not him” strategy. Go figure that a 20+ year campaign to paint a woman as the literal devil would in fact cause problems for her at the ballot box, right? Who would have guessed except for anyone with a functional frontal cortex?
The Harris campaign sent BOTH Clintons out to “rally” voters. So Hillary went to Florida.
And Bill went to Michigan and spent his time browbeating the Muslim community there about the war in Gaza.
Who OK’d this? Were they born in the heart of a dying star, cause they must be the densest mofuckas on Earth.
The Harris campaign put out an 80 page policy guidebook explaining what they were offering. Stop denying responsibility from the voters. A bunch of people wanted this and a bunch of others figured this was better than rallying around the one viable alternative, be it a form a protest or laziness. Voters are ultimately responsible for who we collectively elect.
The average US citizen is not going to sit down and parse through 80 pages of policy. Why the fuck didn’t she promote it in interviews? Every speech and interview I have seen she just skirts around questions and gives vague answers, very frequently repeating herself almost verbatim. It really didn’t inspire confidence. And I say this as someone who voted for her.
If she had a playbook, she ignored it and didn’t talk about it. Despite people begging for policies.
Trump has one, played dumb and wants to do it. Despite it being evil.
I wonder who won?
Vanishingly few voters read white papers. If that stuff isn’t messaged then it doesn’t matter. And a convention of “joy” wasn’t it.
votes for Biden were “anything oh god anything but this.”
Yeah but it didn’t carry. Guess everyone forgot Trump.
So I guess we do this again in four years? Assuming elections are still a thing.
If elections still exist, and the Democratic Party still hasn’t been deposed, yes. We’ll likely have a mass of people voting to get rid of Trump’s chaos for anyone else, and the Dems will receive a boost. Then, when they run the same milquetoast candidate 4 years later with nothing to offer but “better than the alternative,” they’ll fail again.
It’s basically the same back and forth pendulum as before, but accelerated. Now incumbents can’t even expect to receive all 8 years before the pendulum shifts.
You’re probably right, but I hate that you’re probably right. No fault of yours.
It’s okay, I hate that I’m probably right too. Today has been a really shitty day for being right. I’m probably going to spend the rest of my life thinking about how this last decade went, and if there was anything more I could have done.
I think I’m just done. as many Democrats as Ive voted for and the best they can do is “Not as actively evil?” tired of it. Starting to think if we’re going to hell on a bucket maybe I should be the one holding the handle.
The dems are not our party. I don’t they ever will be in the foreseeable future. The issue is not making the dems win but stopping the GOP.
Also the only white male in those years…
I had the same thought…
It’s pretty stupid of Dems to think that white conservative racists are going to vote for a black-indian woman? WHAT were they thinking?!!!
Or, apparently, a metric fuckton of Latino males. Muy macho, hombres. Gracias, pendejos.
They were thinking exactly what they were paid to think.
Liberals all over Lemmy are having a genuine, threatening existential crisis right now and it’s so fucking hilarious. Like, I am laughing at them from the depths of my soul right now.
Imagine being a liberal, thinking this entire time that you have the correct worldview, you are a “good person” and on the “right side”.
And then reality comes crashing down on you. That must be genuinely traumatizing for people as weak as liberals.
Looks like the leftists were correct the entire time. Shocker.
No leftist would be bragging about a Trump win. A leftist would be worried about the people who are in danger now. You’re not a leftist if this is your belief.
I wouldn’t brag about kamala either.
Their comment history is fucking insane. They appear to support accelerationism, so they got what they wanted.
Imagine thinking you’re badass alpha male Chad, and falling to your knees the second a Strong Daddy in a suit or uniform tells you what to think and do. You guys are absolutely pathetic. No one admires you.
Wow, you know empathy is free, right?
Nah, for some people empathy has the insurmountable cost of destroying the world view which puts them on top.
They will never court the left, never.
But Dick Cheney! Dick Cheney!
They gonna go hunting with him?
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Centrism can win in places that aren’t America. Too many Republicans are being fed propaganda all day long by Fox “News”…an organization that has argued in court that no one should take them seriously. But that’s where they get their news. They’re also indoctrinated by their religious upbringing from Evangelicals. There is no such thing as a moderate Republican anymore. They have shown that they will vote every time for the Republican candidate regardless of how flawed they are. Trump is a convicted felon that tried to overthrow the government, has been found in a court to be a rapist, was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein, has had numerous failed businesses and bankruptcies, has denigrated our troops. NONE OF IT MATTERS. Stop trying to appeal to the right and actually get your voting base excited about the policies you want to push.
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There is no center in the US. If you’re okay voting for Donald Trump, you are not in the center. That’s entirely the point.
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Keir won because the UK, like the US, has First Pass The Post and the Even More Far Right Party - Reform - divided the votes on the Far Right hence the Tories came second in lots of electoral circles were they usually come first.
Also I’ve lived all over Europe including the UK and New Labour is plain Right, not Center-Right - they only seem center by comparison with the Tories who migrated to the Far-Right during the Leave Referendum and subsequent Johnson Government.
Similarly by comparison with most of Europe (not the UK) the US is a country with only a plain Right (maybe even hard) and a Far-Right.
Curiously, both New Labour and the Democrat Party support the ethno-Fascist regime in Israel, something which I feel neatly underlines my point as from what I see elsewhere in Europe (with the notable exception of Germany) no Leftwing party supports them.
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Or maybe the words do have reasonably fixed global meaning and only British Exceptionalism and their very propaganda-heavy environment makes Britons think their political landscape redefines those words.
Besides, even in Britain you might want to consider the existence of the Corbyn phenomenon (who, if I remember it correctly, got more votes than Starmer did) as well as the Greenparty (whose 1 million vote count went up to 1.4 million in the latest electing) as proof that there is in fact a Left even in England which is not just “What’s in it for me?!” Neoliberals cosplaying as “lefties” by throwing some identity politics slogans and below inflation minimum wage raises once in a while, whilst de facto supporting an ethno-Fascist regime half way around the globe currently working on Holocaust v2.
I would say their support for the Neue Nazis and their pro-Finance politics (which I saw up close and personal having worked in that Industry before, during and after the 2008 Crash) by themselves are more than enough to place them firmly in the full-on Right field, possibly even Hard Right.
People whose guiding principle is “The greatest good for the greatest number” don’t do what the New Labour types have done and continue to do, even the “pragmatic”/“moderate”/“center” ones.
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For avoidance of confusion, I’m talking about New Labour, not traditional Labour.
Labour are centre-left within the context of British politics
Nothing left about them, Keith made pretty damn sure of it. The fact that you (and sadly many others) think they are though, is simply a demonstration of how the Overton gets shifted to the right by the establishment protecting its own interests, since they are who parliament actually serve.
maybe this is the wrong community for me to say things like that.
Pro tip: the community you post in doesn’t change reality.
What % of total voters is a “registered republican”?
There’s no way to know exactly. Some states don’t disclose the voter registration statistics. North Dakota doesn’t even require party registration to vote.
WAIT YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED TO A PARTY TO VOTE?!?
what the actual fuck. how does that not subvert the secret ballot???
Many Americans such as myself are registered as Independents.
Or not registered with any party and are little “I” independent. Some states have Independent candidates or parties. I wrote a “ySK” about it early this year around primary time and was accused of misinformation by people who don’t understand different states have different party registrations and laws. I wrote the post as someone smart I knew thought they had to register as an Independent party voter to “not be a Republican or Democrat”.
You’re not required to vote in alignment with your registration. It simply allows you to vote in the primary for your party.
I switch my registration to Republican when there’s a Democratic incumbent so I can vote in the primary.
You have to register as x or y to be allowed to vote though?? Like I knew all the other fucked up parts of the whole US system, but this just fundamentally breaks the secret ballot. It doesn’t matter if you don’t have to align your actual vote.
It’s like y’all saw us (Australia) doing the secret vote thing and thought “how could we fuck up implementing that?”…
You can register without party affiliation, or under under any party, not just Republican or Democrat.
Roughly a third
Why is this third considered to be representative of the “moderate republican”?
Look, I just got my coffee, it’s four am, and you are asking me to effectively explain the previous 40 years of American politics to you.
I want to trust that you are asking in good faith, and that you deserve an explanation here, but I’m burnt out in the equivocation right now. So just give me a small signal that my time isn’t wasted here and I can explain this to you .
I’m sorry. To me it seemed like something the more politically involved voter would do.
I don’t think that’s the response they were after.
You could have tried something like:
I can appreciate you’re tired and I think we’re all a little exhausted after this election cycle. I am definitely interested in learning your perspective on this and opening myself up to other viewpoints.
See I acknowledged OPs comment and tried to explain my motivations for the question. You, on the other hand, you called them out for rightfully wanting to value their time.
That’s alright. Simply trying to understand the relationship between that graph, and the conclusion the author took from that.
But I see now that this might not be the appropriate crowd to help me understand.
Sure, everyone is downvoting you but you can’t be the constant here and it must be this entire community.
Perhaps someone more eloquent than me can come along and explain why your approach fell on deaf ears.
I’m sure them supporting and paying to kill women and children didn’t help either, and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there’s the Democratic party’s genocidal persecution of queer people.
Basically no difference at all.
I don’t want to leave this country, but I’m so fucking glad I’ll get away from these sort of stupid lies.
They were talking about their plans to deport more people, build more immigrant holding facilities, and shutting the border down. When republicans started fear mongering about the “immigrant caravan”, democrats hopped right on board.
Not even close to the same.
No one is saying they were good. That’s the mistake so many people make about people who voted for Harris. Plenty of us didn’t do it because we liked Harris. We did it because we hated Trump.
Over and over again, I said to people telling me not to vote for Harris, “which candidate should I vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating Donald Trump?” And I didn’t get an answer.
Then, when Indiana finalized it’s ballot, there were four names on it and write-ins were not allowed: Harris, Trump, Kennedy and Oliver. Again, I asked who I should vote for multiple times. No answer. The closest I got was a very confused person who told me I shouldn’t vote for any of them as I did a process of elimination while simultaneously saying I shouldn’t abstain.
Good lord you’re prolific on here. Im pretty sure youve argued with me against progressive parties before and all of this is extreme revisionism. But its too far buried.
I’m not sure how that changes the fact that I asked and asked and I never got an answer for who I should vote for.
Even now, you’re not saying who I should have voted for.
That is not how anyone wins elections.
I think you are completely lying. I was on here a lot promoting Stein, and getting extremely opposed by you and everyone else. Fuck off with this “i just wanted an answer” innocent BS
I’m not lying at all.
I literally could not vote for Stein. Did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to show you the Indiana ballot and prove it to you?
I’m not in your country, but already have Timewarp tagged as “Trump talking point maniac” for some time. Just so you know the lies are available abroad too.
I know they are, but less so. Or at least hopefully less so about America. I’ll have to deal with all new lies in Britain.
Well Keir Starmer was one of the first to congratulate Trump on his victory before it was official, and talk about the “special relationship” between the two countries, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up. Trump also owns a golf club is Scotland, so is sure to visit and the Tories are pushing for him to be allowed to address parliament when he does, which is nice.
When Keir Starmer starts planning the queer genocide Trump’s people are planning, I’ll give more of a shit. Right now, I am laser-focused on protecting my child. That is my only job right now.
To drop all the snark: I do worry about the UK, but for sure it would be a better place to be than the US right now.
It doesn’t matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the “left” is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc… then you’ll get the same result.
Oh that’s fine. It’s a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.
But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris’ supporters wanted wasn’t fascism. So I’m happy to be going there.
I’m a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.
What, exactly, is “their fascism?”
“Censoring” you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.
Censoring people, especially when they’re telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.
Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:
You can stop now. Putin isnt paying overtime.
Nobody is under the illusion that Trump is better for the situation in Gaza than Harris.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to “take a stand” by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it’s abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
Meanwhile, NOBODY on the conservative side is doing that shit. It’s been true since the Reagan era, the conservatives put aside any personal distaste they have, and they get behind their candidate.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to “take a stand” by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it’s abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
That is the big problem here that people just don’t want to admit.
Just look at the numbers. Harris will probably finish 15 million votes behind Biden 2020. Those are people who could have voted, but didn’t.
Could it be the dogshit right wing Hillary-repeating campaign the Harris folks ran?
The same campaign leftists have been tearing apart and pointing out the objective failures of, predicting exactly this result?
No, it must be the nonexistent leftists who are wrong.
You people are hilarious lmao. You seriously think the average American even knows one shred of leftist theory?
I guess if you people knew why you lost, you wouldn’t have lost so I can’t blame you too much. The curse of a weak mind must be hard to bear.
That’s a lot of words that mean fuck all.
But I guess you’ve got to score your nonexistent points somehow.
“We’ve been actively trying to tear you down, it’s not our fault.”
Correct its the fault of the person advocating a genocide.
‘dont commit a genocide, toss in some prolabor policies.’
‘Stop tearing me down!’
Do you even fucking hear yourself. Lol
“Do you hear yourself” from you is rich.
Indeed my speech is high in protein. It does the soul good. You should try not supporting a genocide sometime yourself. Once you can do that all the other little groups im sure you’ve tried to brow beat people with would suddenly also be protected.
Almost like Kamala could have changed her stance on the situation and got those people out to vote for her. But sure, let’s blame people not willing to hold their nose and vote for more genocide.
And by doing so the voted for more genocide. What a bunch of dumb cunts.
I agree. The Democrat party has become nothing more than a bunch of dumb corporate bureaucrats. Will they ever learn?
Aww dude. Good job completely missing the point. But hey if it helps you sleep at night.
Good job getting Trump elected.
Pretty impressive since I’m in Ireland. And you’re the one trying to justify not voting.
Hmm yes let us instead enable the guy who wants to give Israel a blank check with no leash, very smart
Yay oligarchy.
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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
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Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
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Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
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Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
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Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.
https://www.optionsri.org/post/chattering-classes-activism-is-the-best-remedy-to-authoritarianism
Rest, recuperate, get into a sustainable rhythm. Only we will keep us safe.
If I had canvassed for Harris in Tennessee I’d have been shot.
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And how did the absolute number of them changed? The chart is meaningless without that - as far as we know the pleading worked, all the moderate Republicans left and are no longer registered Republicans. The percentage of Democrat votes among Republicans got smaller because they not only voted Democrat, they also changes their party registration.
I don’t think it happened, I’m just saying these percentages alone aren’t proving anything either way.
I agree, the chart is meaningless. Votes are anonymous, they don’t have your name on them or anything. So the only way they can get this info is by people self reporting it, or something seriously fraudulent happening.
IMO, the chart amounts to “we asked registered Republicans to tell us who they voted for and 94% of respondents said they voted Republican” … And?
The information is without merit or value.
I see your point, and that’s fair too. But what I’m saying is that even if the data was 100% reliable, the chart still can’t be used without the absolute numbers shown.
I absolutely agree with that. Either the total number of respondents or the absolute number of voters on each side.
It’s still self reported information which can very easily misrepresent what actually happened, but at least there would be some weight to the figures in any way, shape, or form.
This right here is why the Republicans won. All I see below me is finger pointing and blame tossing. Republicans have got their shit on lockdown. You guys can’t even figure out who to blame.
It’s easy to look like they “got their shit on lockdown” when they’re straight-up copying the fascist playbook.
The blame game isn’t helpful, though. Divide and conquer is from that same fascist playbook. Blaming anyone except the Republican establishment serves only to diminish their primary role in this situation, and further divide us from each other. We have to stop attacking fellow victims and put that blame squarely where it belongs.
The plan is the same as it has been since the dawn of time: The obscenely rich pit the peasants against each other to maintain their wealth and power. That’s it. That’s what it’s always been. The oligarchs have taken over every aspect of our government, including SCOTUS, and personally own most of our former prestigious trusted new sources. Now propaganda organs.
The United States of America as we knew it is over. Welcome to The Fourth Reich. Enjoy the next 2 months, or use them to plan an exit strategy.
They know exactly who is to blame. But that would involve some degree of self-reflection so, on with the show… i guess.
If the Republicans are going to call the Democrats communists and socialist regardless of how moderate a campaign Democrats run, Democrats might as well lean further left on economic policy. Appealing to the right does nothing because the right can appeal to the right better than the center-left can
This assumes the dems have any interest in actually improving the lives of Americans.
Jangling keys of “maybe if I get the senate I’ll raise minimum wage? Do you want… Legal weed sometime?” sure works well. Just look at that electoral map!
Oh, you mean Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? Forgiveness from predatory student loan financial slavery? Overtime pay? Reasonably safe work conditions? The option to have a dead fetus removed from a woman before it literally rots in her and kills her? A basic education for every child, regardless of wealth? Healthcare for all Americans without death panel insurance companies who care more about shareholders than the policy owner?
You mean those things?
“But… but… muh property taxes and gas prices… damn blacks, queers, and loudmouth women ruin everything!”
Fuck Putin, by the way.
Just because they implement good policy from time to time doesn’t mean they give a shit about Americans.
You know who really doesn’t give a shit about Americans, or anyone else but their "Tribe?’ Nazis. Well, now you’ve got it. Hope you enjoy it when anyone you know who isn’t white and straight is persecuted.
We’re done. Buh bye.
Congrats on not even attempting to understand the point I’m making.
None of that will work anymore. The far right owns the house, the senate, the government enforcement agencies, and the Supreme Court. We’re nearing the end of the monopoly game and you don’t get anything extra for landing on free parking. The restraints for any of the rich and powerful just got taken off.
Pretty much this. The Business Plot succeeded, it just took another 100 years. Now they have their Mussolini-like strongman, and a fully captured legislative and judicial system, all without a March on Rome.
What do you think January 6th was?
They didn’t even have to show up to the party or draw a direct line to the cannon fodder
Treason?
Well yeah, but it was also a literal march on our Capital.
A beerhall putsch, a failed one, but still, it was a sign of what was yet to come…
Which is precisely why they don’t. They don’t exist to threaten the establishment, they are part of it, and are there to provide the illusion of choice so that the public feel like we’re helping while those in power do whatever they need to at our expense to keep that power. Playing by the rules and within the systems they have set out for us can and will only ever maintain the status quo.
This makes sense if one has never been in any sort of leadership role or public-facing organization before.
It’s true in very narrow senses which are stretched to breaking because really it isn’t true.
Joe Biden suddenly turns into Joe Stalin…
Can you send the primary source for those numbers. I was looking for this information weeks ago and couldn’t find it.
All of the Zionists need to be tossed out.
Israel actually doesn’t matter to most Americans, sad as it is.
That’s about to change.
Why? Boots on the ground? What was the attention span for troops in Afghanistan?
The time it was a lot of attention same with the Vietnam war. It will create a left push.
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They refuse to actually campaign and address people’s concerns. They gaslight, minimize, denigrate, guilt trip, and verbally abuse people and then are surprised Pikachu when no one is happy or motivated to vote for them.
“You owe it to your country to vote.” “You are a bad person/stupid/russian shill etc if you vote for anyone but Kamala.”
These things just stroke your ego and are otherwise thought terminating. They do not get votes. Like holy fuck, if you just listen to people’s concerns and talk with them, it tends to work.
But with Citizens united, campaigns focus around a capitalist spending strategy like it’s Election Christmas. Bernie Sanders, Stacey Abrams, and AOC all had what I’d call “authentic” campaigns, where they requested help with canvassing and phone calls before they requested donations. Like donations were fine, but most emails and texts were asking for workers, volunteers, and physical help. Those requests were completely absent from Kamala’s campaign.
The status quo just doesn’t want the common person to have political literacy. If they teach us how to canvas, then we’ll do it for someone who isn’t status quo. If they show us how to run for office, then we will just run ourselves like AOC did. They are in direct conflict with themselves because they are trying to suppress anything except status quo Dems.
I can’t believe the Dick Cheney fans forgot to vote
Tens, literally tens of voters Liz Cheney brought to the table.
But it’s cool! She’s the friend of bigots! That makes brown and queer people feel welcomed, right?
I was downvoted to oblivion for questioning this move as a campaign strategy. I wonder if I should look and see how that turned out.
As was I on here and reddit. It’s crazy.
Hey I was downvoted again for saying “I got downvoted for being right.” Again, I was right.
