Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the sense of complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
I told this to one of the tankies over in leftymemes, got called a genocide apologist and banned. Funny thing is, one of their mods is trans. Not American, though, so it doesn’t matter to her I guess. And let me tell you, that mod in particular, she was working hard to convince people not to vote for Harris. Didn’t have much to say about Trump, though… pretty interesting.
I really don’t get that.
US is one of the world’s hegemons. They have disproportionate control overthe global energy markets, financial sector, and so much more.
Pretty much wherever you are you will be impacted by US politics.
And it sucks because the US is increasingly becoming a shit hole country.
At least they will get what they deserve. To bad about everyone else.
Asking a tankie what the best path forward is for the US is like a black man asking a Klansman for career advice. They want to see us burn, not be better.
Asking a capitalist what the best path forward is for the US is like a black man asking a Klansman for career advice. They want to see us destitute, not be better.
Trump literally said Israel should finish the job. You’re getting both genocides and probably a few on top!
A genocide of brown people too. And not just the ones in the U.S. illegally. Anyone who is brown and happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time either without ID or with an ID that a cop thinks is fake or stolen is going to be sent to a camp. That’s not even a “potential” thing. Trump has promised to deport millions of people. There is no way they can do that without accidentally deporting plenty of citizens and putting them in concentration camps first while they work out extradition deals.
So this is wild speculation but if you had to gander, how many days do you think we have till Russia v Poland, 180? 360? I think we are going to have to Tony Hawk it and say 720 at most. Normally it takes Russia 8 years to get a new erection but I hear Trump’s got pills in his mouth
Ukrainians in Ukraine too. And immigrants in US. Interesting times.
Tankies See this as a bonus.
One is occupied, in an open air prison, being bombed, no food, no water and no one to aid them. The other may have some of their rights taken. Don’t compare the two.
The other may have some of their rights taken.
They may also be barred from exercising certain professions and be treated as all around second class citizens.
They may also be barred from life saving medications and procedures.
They will be subject to more violence up to and including murder and it may be swept under the rug.
At least be a bit more exhaustive. And they isn’t restricted to queer people. They’re also racized folks, muslim, jewish, or simply women.
And while I agree that there aren’t many situations which remotely might compare to the literal hell on earth that is Gaza, let’s not forget that a lot of other people are in sucky situations which will get worse as a result of that election.
I feel really sad for Americans right now, especially anyone who needs/might need any procedure that could be construed as “abortion” (like the many reports of women who died because hospitals wouldn’t take on the liability of terminating a clearly unviable fetus), and those in the LGBTQIA+ communities.
I feel the worst for those groups, though all of you have my sympathies.
As you might infer, I am not an American, and I am unable to vote in US elections. I am Canadian, and while I can’t speak for all Canadians to invite you to come join us, I will say that, abortion is legal here. Every major city has a pride event every year. There’s always protests to both, as you would expect (people exercising their rights to free speech), but there’s no criminality in being LGBTQIA+ nor in getting an abortion.
Personally, anyone who wants to abandon this fight and flee to the north, I don’t blame you, and if we ever meet, you will be accepted by me and the people I know for who you are.
Be safe, take care of yourself.
Just avoid the province of Alberta at all costs. Alberta is currently making access to transgender healthcare difficult, starting with a legislation to ban minors under-16 from accessing lifesaving medical care
I did not know this. Thank you.
Related: Alberta, get your shit together.
I can’t even enter Canada because I got a DUI 21 years ago. Thanks for the kind words though.
I hate that a single DUI can disqualify someone from entering Canada. I understand why the rule is there, and I strongly disagree with the way it is applied to DUIs.
The way I understand it is that you cannot enter Canada if you have a specific severity of criminal conviction on your record, which a DUI barely makes the cut for. The underlying rule is good, we don’t want a bunch of theives, muggers, and killers to be given a free pass into Canada, but DUI? Especially if it was once, a long time ago? C’mon.
I hope the pardon thing pans out for you, friend. Stay safe.
FYI, you can apply for a pardon in immigration court. If you’ve had a clean record since it is highly n likely to be successful.
Thank you, I will look into that.
It’s not easy, but if you’re good at paperwork and don’t mind taking the time it’s absolutely doable. Here’s some more details on how to go about the Criminal Rehabilitation process:
https://www.zuanichlaw.com/how-do-i-apply-for-criminal-rehabilitation-to-enter-canada
How accepting of immigrants is Canada? Last time I looked I got really discouraged, because it doesn’t seem like they’ll let someone like me* actually immigrate.
- (I’m not a doctor or engineer, or rich or anything. I’ve just worked in customer service my whole life).
It’s a point system, and yeah without an advanced degree it’s not easy. You can see here how you would score: https://www.canadavisa.com/comprehensive-ranking-score-calculator.html
What I was talking about with the person above was simply for entry, like as a tourist or via NAFTA business entry.
Yeah, looks like I have less than 300 of the maximum 1200 points. So that’s probably not going to happen unless Canada starts opening up to refugees from the US.
And more genocide in Gaza!
I suppose it’s not the best. But if things go really wrong. Every LGBT migrant is welcome in my country (Spain). We have some of the most advanced laws on LGBT protection on the planet.
And while we have our share of far right that wants ti abolish LGBT rights, it is unlikely they will succeed at this even if they reach power (please, don’t let this afe like milk).
For now.
Nice do you take lgbt refugees or no like every other country
Every good person is welcome here.
What does good person mean in this context? Last I checked you can’t be an lgbt refugee there.
I just talk of my personal welcomes.
Legally I don’t know.
But if you are targeted by a conflict you can come as refugee. Many people from Latin America come here on that premise.
Jeebus. Trans machinist in Georgia? That’s a hard row to hoe there, hun. I ran a shop during 2020 and about half my crew was black. The political insanity ripped it apart.
Born and raised in Alabama, we moved to a northern state this summer. You need to think hard about getting out. We are not registered as Dems, but instead independent. Probably going to remove face pics from fet. Don’t fly a pride flag. Figure if you’re white, you’ll be okay for a while. Probably be a while before they come after LGTBQ. Maybe things get better, IDK.
Keep your head down and your powder dry.
Our family motto is: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Seriously. Move north or west. It ain’t that expensive for someone with blue collar skills. Especially if you can take some people with you.
Yeah. It has been really rough. I realistically can’t work for someone else at all. Glad I have some really good contracts that keep my poor 40 year old Hurco churning stuff out.
How about both. 2 in 1 combo
All of these so called anti fascists sure do seem excited about a fascist being elected
None that I can see, but you keep beating that strawman.
Can you explain to me exactly what you wanted. support for what policies, countries defenses, future plans for mitigation of issues?
the neat part is now we get both genocides.
He had one genocide, yes. But what about the second (and third) genocide?
And fourth?
Life could be an all you can eat buffet, except every course is genocide.
Maybe you can realize that comparing genocides doesn’t really help you.
“I don’t care about that genocide because it is happening thousands of miles away and doesn’t affect me even though it’s my money funding it, but I do care about this genocide that’s not yet happened but might happen to me”
If you can excuse one genocide then you can excuse them all. It doesn’t suddenly matter because it’s your life at stake.
Yes, noone has ever prioritized their own safety or sacrificed for the sake of political gains: these are psychologically impossible positions
How about we stop the blame game and stay focused on fighting for both (and to be honest many more) causes?
There was always going to be a fight, it was only a matter of how we were going to fight.
All three branches of the federal government is under MAGA control. There is no fighting back.
stay focused on fighting for both
We’re going to see both ends played against the middle. I fully expect to see wave after wave of (often AI generated) images and testimonials, depicting Arab men and Trans Women fighting each other tooth-and-claw, while I’m told I need to apologize for the savagery of these two groups.
There was always going to be a fight, it was only a matter of how we were going to fight.
The conflict lines are already shaping up. Palestinian Rights Activists robbed Trans people of their freedom and dignity. Trans Activists sacrificed POC on the alter of convenience. The only way forward is to abandon both causes and accept a compromised second class citizenship mediated by a bunch of straight white wealthy bureaucrats. Otherwise, we’ll get the business end of the police baton while the media reports us all as violent dissidents and human shields.
“no one wants what is happening in gaza, but the potential genocide in north America is even higher”
Have you tried opening a newspaper recently? What is happening in Palestine is worse than anything else happening in the world; to say that your potential event could be worse than that is a tremendous display of ignorance and insensitivity.
Yeah not to downplay the horror in Gaza but you might want to look into what’s happening in Sudan, for example
But I agree comparing discrimination in the US to any of this is pretty crazy
I’m fully aware of what’s happening in Sudan, but since multiple humanitarian organisations have explained that what’s happening in Gaza is the worst they have ever seen, I think it’s safe to say that this is worse than any situation
Sources:
Regarding ‘destruction’ I’m sure Sudan can’t compete because these people had very little to begin with, but when you compare other numbers…
- 200k killed
- 10m refugees
And this comes on top on the previous genocide that just ended a few years ago and killed 300k…
I’m sure you can find plenty of people saying conflict X is ‘tha worst evah’ but that’s just part of their job
I just cited the biggest humanitarians organisations saying that Gaza is the worst situation they’ve had to work on. Could you provide the same citations for another conflict? They’re not just “plenty of people”, they’re the most competent person on the subject
No, you’ve selectively cited from press statements.
For instance, your first source is from March 2024 and only states “worst on record” in its title, and it only comments on the famine situation on that specific moment. The only part from the article that supports the use of the title is this:
In the IPC’s five-tier classification of food crises, Gaza now has the largest percentage of a population to receive its most severe rating (IPC phase 5 - catastrophe) since the body began reporting in 2004. It has also never been recorded that an entire population (or 100%) be in IPC Phase 3 or worse.
Now, of course that’s grim and we all know everyone was raising the alarm around that period. But we also know that, following that, aid increased and a large scale famine has been averted.
Luckily for us, Oxfam has recently released a larger, more comprehensive paper on famine and food insecurity in 2023 and early 2024. With this newer report, I could easily make the case that Gaza only ranks #10 on their ranking on p.16 … I hope this helps
I appreciate that you took the time to provide a document from Oxfam, but saying that my argument is invalid because the situation in one of the fourth articles I provided has slightly improved since the article parution, is to my opinion not very honest
Why would you use a source that improved so much since, to support your argument that Gaza is presently the worst situation?
You’re right that I only commented on your first source, but then why would you use it and put it on the top if it doesn’t make your case? Your use of the word ‘slightly’ is disingenious. Unless more food came in hundreds of thousands of people were going to starve. To say that not starving is a ‘slight improvement’ is an understatement you’re deliberately making to obscure this. This is easily countered by the report I cited as well: they improved to the same level that 5 times more people are on in Sudan. So which of those two is worse by this metric, today?
Your second source is a single doctor who says it’s like nothing he’s seen before. While I appreciate him weighing in, I don’t think that provides conclusive proof that a certain conflict he’s working in is ‘currently the worst in the world’.
Your third source is paywalled, but from what I can read it’s about the first two months of Israel’s retaliation on Gaza, citing the number of 18.000 deaths over this period as the reason why they considered it ‘nothing we’ve seen before’. So first of all they’re talking about a period in the past where the death toll was around 6 times as high as it is today, which also means that your above suggestion that only the situation described in the first of your four articles has 'slightly improved is, to my opinion, not very honest. Secondly, citing the death count as the reason for this doesn’t say everything. Is a single Sudanese village being massacred to the last child ‘worse’? Is more Sudanese being massacred over a longer period less so?
Your fourth source is not one of ‘the biggest humanitarian organisations’ but rather a single career politician. And it’s his job not to understate any crisis he’s commenting on. Here he is calling the one in Sudan “the largest displacement crisis in the world”.
For clarity: I’m not trying to say that I don’t consider the situation for the people in Gaza SuperBad, because it is. But there are conflicts where far more people are suffering and they’re forgotten and falsely considered ‘less worse’ not because they are, but just because they don’t even get 1/1000th of the media attention.
I, obviously, disagree here. It’s all horrible. However, I have every incentive to vote for my own well being. My point in that statement wasn’t necessarily that it would be worse (I probably should have phrased things better, but I’m no writer), but I do think it could potentially be more impactful for the “West” in the sense that the US could, potentially, devolve into a state similar to Russia (or a large number of nation states) where anyone who is not straight or cisgendered will be persecuted to the point of erasure. And in my personal case, though I know this is anecdotal, potential murder.
You say it’s all horrible like it’s a comparable horror. It’s not. Leaving aside the fact that your described event is hypothetical (and I hope it will stay so, don’t get le wrong I fully support LGBTQ+ rights), comparing murder to planned ethnic cleansing and thousands of civilians lives lost is a negation of the horror Palestinian endure on a daily basis.
Ethnic cleansing, orientation or gender cleansing, I see them as the same. thing. Ever have someone physically assault you for pissing? The drive for murder and erasure is literally on the same scale. The difference has been the backing of a state. Now, that may very well change. We will now have idiots with guns threatening us to to “be normal.” And no, it’s not a comparable horror… yet. I fear for my life constantly.
And, again, I’d like to posit the other meaning of genocide - cultural erasure. This, I think, is very likely.
Sorry, but as a queer Arab I think you’re completely off the mark here. Gaza is a literal concentration camp. People are burning alive every day. What LGBT+ people in the USA could go through under Trump is very bad, but to think it comparable is delusional.
The point is, now we get both.
Trump will go along with whatever Israel wants to do. If Hamas was in power, I can all but guarantee they would be doing the same shit, if not worse.
ETA: I’m not advocating for what is going. I’m just rather pissed that so many people keep doing the counterproductive thing of using this as a reason to vote trump or sit this out. Considering that Trump is worse in this regard and with global warming, humanities only chance is to ramp up efforts like the US is a lost cause, because for the next 2 years at least, we are.
Where have you seen that I’m advocating for Trump? I’m not even American! Every time I see someone criticizing the role of the US government in the Palestinian massacre, somebody come and says “yes but Trump”. I know trump is worse, can I still criticize the current US government or do I have to wait for the campaign to be over?
You have every right to criticize. I really and truly do empathize with what you are saying, believe it or not. You never advocated for Trump. Things are just very tense here in the US. That isn’t an excuse, but maybe an explanation for our overall behavior.
I think this might be one of the effects of dual party system, there is a binary vision to most debates that is more nuanced in multi party countries. I might be wrong though, interested in hearing other’s ideas about it
Well, it’t won’t be like Palestine, but KKK style lynchings, taking away the non-profit status of pro-LGBTQ+ organizations (if not jailing every member of them for “pornographic speech”), forced detrasitions, forced conversion therapies, and jail for existing in public.
Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly.
Trump winning also supports the genocide in Gaza.
Be it because people on the left want to carry out attacks on their peers to falsely prove a point or…
Remember kids: it’s more important to be right than to live happily under a Presidency you
don’t agree withdidn’t win.This is very true. I wanted to address the idea that not a single outlet has touched on, though.
Should just be pointing yes at both.
Trump winning supports the genocide of the planet
Sure those are both bad. But now we get to take bets on which country sees the first mass casualty event due to unsurvivable wet bulb temps, and we can over-under the year the first US state gets a taste of boiling alive in their own juices.
Here in GA, we’ve gotten close. I had to quit the job I temporarily stopped working for myself for last year because of heat exhaustion. It’s bad. I fainted in 110° F temps with 89% humidity. Trump will make thus worse.
