Because you now did it to yourself.
Women: he told he’s taking your rights away and is already letting you die in hospital waiting rooms
Tradesman: he told you overtime and unions are gone
Veterans: he told you he hates you, pissed all over the sanctity of Arlington and is gutting the VA
Hispanics: he told you you and yours are getting deported and doesn’t care if you’re legal or not
Those on social security, Medicare, Medicaid or ACA: he told you he’s cutting/gutting these
Anyone with ties to Palestine: he told you he’s going to help Israel finish the job
I would be more concerned if he were less stupid. Going by his last presidency he’ll spend half his time golfing and the rest driving through ineffective “red meat” policies to get attention from his base. Ultimately he’s just a pathetic man who craves attention.
What concerns me more is that his destruction of political norms means that someone who is similarly evil - but actually capable - might be able to use him as a template to take power in the future and make America into a dictatorship. Someone like Xi Jinping as opposed to an aging B-list celebrity.
You think we’re not just as confused how it happened this time?
I just cannot get over the fact that if every man o. The country dropped dead the world be a better place.
In Germany Hitler only got around a third of the vote. Trump is winning the popular vote.
We have always known why Hitler rose to power, and we know why Trump was reelected. When people are economically depressed and a man comes to you and tells you “This isn’t your fault, I will persecute those who are responsible and personally make things better for you.” It’s human nature, out of fear, frustration, or desperation to grasp that hand. We as a people are not ready to trust the guy who says “This is our fault, and it will be hard, but we have to fix this together”. Take everything you know about Hitler and Trump and OUR world out of it, take out your reasoning and tap into your monkey brain for a second and simply ruminate on those two propositions. Which one would you rather be true? You can’t honestly tell me the latter. You may know the latter is true, but it would be so much easier on you if the first was true.
Like it or not, we aren’t as evolved as we like to think, and those of us who consider ourselves enlightened are vulnerable to our lizard brains at one point or another.
Don’t think it won’t happen to you. When the incoming wave of Ukrainian refugees hits Europe, the populists that have already been growing in popularity will make their move. With the U.S. fallen, a lot of money and attention has been freed up to destabilize other countries.
It’s happening in Italy. It’s happening in the Netherlands. It’s happening in France. If you think you are ready for it, remember that we thought the same.
Exaggerating is how you idiots lost
So, we all get forced to use X (twitter) now?
🥱 you’ll feel better in a few days
Spot on!
Well, I for one will question it, because I don’t understand what I’m seeing. How the flying fuck is this happening?
The apathy of the masses.
Apathy? This isn’t apathy. Apathy doesn’t vote. Hate votes.
That’s the problem, you see. Fascists and zealots were always going to vote. The decision was in the hands of the people who didn’t, and they’re at fault exactly as much as fascists.
Calling this apathy is letting Nazis off easy. This isn’t apathy, this is a massive chunk of the US population willingly acting on this. Today is truly a tragedy.
They’re no less at fault. Fascists were always going to vote. Non-voters had the power to decide. Self-titled “centrists” and “apoliticals”, or those who adopted a stupid moral high ground because of one thing that Harris did or did not say, made a choice that amounted to “I’m okay with the worse outcome”. They failed to vote against the worse outcome.
Fascism is a cancer that should be excised with prejudice. So is abstention.
Non-voters can turn fascist too. There’s no guarantee that if everyone voted, the results wouldn’t be the same.
Except everything we know about voting in America disagrees with you
I’m fully expecting a “night of the long knives” type of situation now. Hope to be wrong about it, but I haven’t been so far.
(…if slightly ableist)
Because the DNC would rather get Trump elected than listen to their constituency.
Yeah make sure you never ever ever ever ever ever ever blame voters. It’s always Democrats and never voters responsible. God fuck this world and every moron in it
The fact of the matter is: People need more than sticks to do anything; they need carrots. Nobody, me included, cares if you don’t like how people didn’t fear your preferred stick enough; that’s just how people work. The failure remains squarely on the DNC who, having the perfect stick in Trump, refused to prepare a carrot and opted for a piece of shit hoping to attract some flies from the neighboring mountain-sized pile of shit. Getting angry at voters is like getting angry at the wind for destroying your paper house; I mean okay but maybe don’t build a paper house?
Great mental gymnastics to pretend voters aren’t responsible for their reprehensible actions! I’ll try and adapt that to dodge blame every time I fuck up
I’m not American so I didn’t really fuck up anything. I still it’s the responsibility of candidates to get people to vote for them. I don’t care if you didn’t like it, but expecting people to vote for a pile of shit to avoid a bigger pile of shit doesn’t work, has never worked and will never work. The DNC, enabled by “hold your nose and vote for her” folks, failed to consider this basic fact and that lost them the white house and senate. Well, congrats.
Way to misunderstand the simple point
They’re not the one misunderstanding anything.
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And you cannot blame the moronic masses for voting for this apparently
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While yes I’m sure it contributed, I think a lot of people voted because their rent and groceries were too expensive, so that means “vote for the party not in power”. It makes zero sense, but I have to hope that they’re just uninformed and desperate and not eager for what Trump and 2025 crew want.
Ultimately though, it’s on them. It was their responsibility to know what they’re voting for, and they failed. Now we can only hope they’re too incompetent to do what they want.
In the US, people are apparently convinced that every week, the president decides on the price of groceries, petrol and rent.
That’s exactly it, unfortunately.
Inflation, housing, and further on the right xenophobia. Clinton was right, “it’s the economy, stupid”.
White women, Hispanics, and black men all came out in droves voting for Trump.
You dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Regards, the rest of the world.
Hey! Don’t blame all of us! Almost half weren’t retarded.
It’s just the other half are total retards :\
Almost half of the voters makes you just 1/3 of the population.
So how dumb does that make the average american?
They’re not retards… well, not just.
They’re genocidal traitors to America.
The word you’re looking for is Nazi. We just repeated the Madison Square Garden rally and here we goooo
It’s actually probably much more than half. I would include those who were undecided for a longer time and then eventually settled on D still retarded.
Also the US: Look at those foreign countries, bad guys because of what their government is doing regardless of whether it’s what their people want.
Many, many Americans do not see things that way at all. You constantly encounter people saying that they like Chinese people but not the CCP, for example.
It kills me …I got into it with a colleague this morning while discussing this very topic. When I brought up that whatever the current trending “bad guy” is, we will always see an increase in hate crimes against that demographic in our own country. When I used the increased attacks on anyone appearing to be slightly middle eastern after 9/11 as an example she angrily spat out that “they’ve killed thousands of us.” And I had to remind her that she was literally giving an example of what we were discussing.
As if the rest of the world wasn’t on the same slippery slope…
Things are looking glum all over.
Yeah but Americans not being ~56% the dumb fuckwits they seemingly are would have sent a good positive signal to the rest.
Now the opposite happens and the fascists everywhere will feel strongly encouraged, on top of strong US-support for autocratic Russia and big support for completely depopulating Gaza (after all, Trump is a big fan of Neta “finishing the job” in his own words).
Nah, don’t ‘what about…’ this.
Hi, this sentiment from non-americans pisses me off and it’s okay, but I feel it’s important to explain why so I’m copying another comment I made today.
Goodness knows some of us are trying our best. I mean keep in mind our country is a democracy in name but systemically props up white supremacists in excess of the real popular opinion. And a media disinformation machine keeps the working class divided against itself, with open support from the wealthiest and owners of the most popular social media platforms. Social media platforms that, let’s be honest, are super recent inventions we are not yet capable of engaging with safely. It makes it an uphill battle to try to reach out to people whose necks aren’t on the line. And the responsibility to do so falls upon the disenfranchised themselves, who are increasingly saddled with economic and health burdens that might just kill us someday.
I get the potshots at Americans, but frankly I don’t plan on taking the blame if this goes tits up - many of us did a hell of a lot more than vote to resist fascism. Nothing happened here that isn’t happening elsewhere. And I’ll fight the notion that citizens at large are the problem. It’s a cynical outlook that serves to individualize the responsibility for a systematic disaster. Our country was built to make this possible after all. And I sure as hell know I don’t plan on giving up. Kind of morbidly curious about how much of an incompetent clusterfuck Project 2025’s implementation will be.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
Keep calm and carry on, mate. We here in Britain finally managed to get rid of the blonde fella who was wrecking our country, you can also do it. The new ones may not be much of an improvement, but I know one thing for sure - a decent citizen of any nation should never accept as their leader such a corrupted and crooked in so many ways person.
We traded an orange man for a white man and even that seemed to enrage the conservatives, a black woman? No chance. Proud to be an American here 🙄
Yeah, but still. How, how could anyone vote for this ekstra speshial man? And, more importantly, how can someone like me stay sane knowing that such morally corrupt candidates are winning votes, and not only in the US?
If you find answers to either of those, please let me know.
Well, good pills were an option for me once, for the second question. I can not over-state the importance of seeking help in case shit hits the fan for you personally. Especially if one, like me, was raised in a masculine environment where you being all manly can see a doctor twice in your life: when you are born and when you are dead. Outside of medication - taking a step back from social media helps immensely. As for the first q, i think a lot of people gave answers like “people are just bad”, and they may be right, but I do not want to accept it.
I legitimately do not understand why. The evidence is clear and there’s no attempt to hide the racism and xenophobia, I guess I just overestimated how my country feels about fascists. Thought we sorted this shit in the 40’s but I guess we’re doing the fourth Reich instead.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore 👍
I mean clearly, to americans as a whole, women are scaaaary. Look at them taking their autonomy away with their anti-abortion laws.
Well said. Thank you.
Yeah with such a horrendous outcome, blame starts flying (it’s the republicans’ fault one billion percent more than anybody else’s, btw) and sometimes in moments of understandable fury people start saying shit. There are some people who this makes sense to say at, and some who it doesn’t, and they’re both Americans.
If the person saying it was born in a different country and did all the right things, they’d be saying this at themselves. For doing the right thing.
Whatever, precise wording and being super pissed off don’t go together. The sentiment that this is all super fucked up is right on the money.
There are always fighters like you which can’t be blamed. Nevertheless, most of the American voters are frankly deranged. As a Mexican who has been in the rural areas of the USA, it really fits.
You’re right. The sentiment more comes from the power the USA weilds globally vs the massive responsibility the population don’t seem to realise they have. If anything, the dumb motherfuckers will be the countries that keep allowing the USA to have this power while clearly the population - and by extension the new president - don’t take this responsibility seriously.
I’m lucky. I don’t live in Palestine or Ukraine, both of which are all but guaranteed to be fed to the wolves. It’s heartbreaking to watch the complacency of a population who think the price of eggs is worth more than thousands of people’s lives. But here we are… and we’re angry.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
See, this is the issue.
It used to be this way. That until they’re actually in power (and I mean have removed the democractic process that could remove them from power again, too), fascists pose big but there’s no bite behind the bark.
But Jan 6 and Trump’s general antics being excused by his cronies in the SC have clearly shown that this is changing. People are emboldened by the fascist rise in all western countries, on top of the generally aggressive atmosphere worldwide as the older generations, unable to face their own misgivings and the shit they caused to pile up, would rather vote for fascism and “blaming Them™️” than accept that maybe it’s high time we accept some really rough times to turn the ship around.
Fully knowing that none of them will live long enough to actually suffer the outcome of their actions.Even my dad started voting AfD. His reason being “It’s time something changes!”. He’s just unhappy with the status quo, even if you fully tell him that he, personally, is among those suffering under the AfD and they’re open about wanting to make things worse for him. It’s impossible to reason with these people, as them wanting to be reasoned with would mean they’d have to accept that between climate change and the secondary monumental tasks of trying to handle that which are all inherently global super-issues, too, their generation only had it good in their days because they were living on credit.
But does he truly care? No of course not. He’s old. He can be contrarian and vote “against the establishment”, and that this fucks everything up more or less permanently isn’t a problem for him since he’ll be long dead by the time the issues that could have been prevented truly come into force. Much as we’re already seeing some issues such as curtailed bodily autonomy for women, increase in violent climes, and of course climate disasters.Things have changed. People fully do shit now simply because their age and general position in society shields them from the outcome, and they just want to be “against”. And they can openly flaunt this, so crime etc is on the rise. Big time.
Democrats handed this election to Trump, hold them accountable
Fascists are paper tigers… bold statement. Especially if those paper tigers have access to the biggest military budget on the planet and are backed by an out-of-control police force.
True, but I love how the first we blame for this outcome are the American people.
I blame Kamala Harris and her botching her campaign. She had amazing momentum at the start, then slowly threw it all away, instead politicking to small businesses and Republicans instead of workers and their own base: Democrats.
They voted for a con man, a fascist, a criminal, someone who tried to steal the last election. Kamala could be a bowl of day old warm potato salad and voting for him would still be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Doesn’t matter.
Self-interest matters. What politicians will do for voters matters. That day old potato salad may be better than Trump, but it’s not at all inspiring.
If Democrats really took fascism as a threat, they would have activated Tim Walz and his views and pushed as fast and as hard as they could with the time they had to make the most progressive campaign since Obama’s.
But they went after the base who would have voted for a fascist anyways.
This is Democrats’ own doing. Sorry.
When fully capable adults do stupid things, like voting for an man with as many very serious faults as Trump, I blame them for doing it. That Democrats were ineffective at convincing people (or inspiring them) not to do something stupid doesn’t make the thing any less stupid to do. Inspiration is not required to avoid being idiot.
When fully capable adults do stupid things, like campaigning to a voting base as grotesque as Trump’s, I blame them for doing it.
Democrats, or at least those in their establishment bubble either on TV, on podcasts, at the DNC, or on the congressional floor, will believe anything they want to that’ll pass on blame and hold to a superiority complex that they’re never wrong. Power corrupts and all that.
Inspiration is absolutely required when you outside of the representative Democracy have lost hope in the economy, society, or planet. Apathy is much more destructive than idiocy, even when the latter is in favor of fascism. Apathy is what lets fascism and idiocracy prosper. There needs to be a counterforce should we keep the alternative at bay.
Democrats did not take Trump’s potential to do the above seriously enough, either in his rhetoric to espouse fascism or cast mis- and disinformation. And now we have to deal with their failure.
I have to say when I watched the debate whilst Kamala herself impressed me, nothing she said felt very inspirational. I thought it was pretty clear what big picture items the base wanted and all she could come up with was a payment to new families and help for small business. This is good and all, but not the larger national and foreign policy announcements people wanted.
You both bear 100% of the blame each.
They’d be upset if they could read.
Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population
*Slightly less than half
mostof us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFYRoughly 1/3 of the voting age population.
About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote.
We’re outnumbered 2:1
Your math assumes 100% of the population votes.
Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in.
You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.
The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.
So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.
Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.
Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America
Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn’t move her policy positions.
Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit.
Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family.
Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide.
Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice.
Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation.
Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters.
Gaza wa the easy issue.
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I’m not an American voter.
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My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris.
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I’d say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote.
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No reason to panic. It’s just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you’ve elected people who’ve never followed up on their promises.
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I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being “just an imperfect democracy” and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis.
Point 4 may be wishful thinking
True. But I can’t feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5.
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You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved.
So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have.
See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA.
The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners.
It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian.
It was also supported by functional free press.
Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it’s not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s.
Isn’t Canada closer?..
Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature.
Or one of the Scandinavian countries.
I mean, if you want Germany, then fine.
Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general.
I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense.
You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK.
French Guiana.
Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all.
Parts with jungle are better than parts without though.
OK, you are right. I just don’t like something about Germany.
Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German.
Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway.
And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible.
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It’s not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side.
The non-voters are also dumb.
Hey, that’ll get them to vote!
If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they’re pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision.
A little late now.
Maybe we should vote to round them up
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Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters… It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that’s on the high side.
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Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That’s around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn’t come down to a little more than half no matter who wins.
And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way.
Or they do care but don’t see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power
…as was the case in 1933 Germany…
American here. Fuuuuc… Not what most of us wanted here on the West Coast.
Have you considered… secession? 😉
I almost wish we could just be our own country. Washington, Oregon, and California are already very much aligned with one another.
We fought hard and carried the team as best we could. We probably won’t be eating as much curb as some states, but fucking frustrating as hell that some Americans can’t get their shit together for 12 goddamn minutes. It’s like half the country forgot how bad 2020 was, not to mention the insane shit that went down day in and day out for years.
I hope, HOPE that we have the privilege of voting in four years, and that by some miracle, the president, Senate and house and SC (all projected to be Republican) somehow forget to fuck with our election system.
Yeah, wtf is in the water out east?
Oh right, the lead
The southeast. The northeast did just fine.
This map shows a whole lot of fucking up.
You will get zero argument from me. This is a disgrace.
I’ve been trying to fall asleep for, uh, well the first dose of nyquil just wore off. This is going to be a fun night.
PA can fuck all the way off and not just cause I’m a Bruins fan
You’re being too kind
Baffling. We already rejected this guy once when he had less baggage. His first term was objectively terrible.
So, I guess America has kings now, because Trump will never see another day in court for his crimes, and he’s not going to prison.
I just don’t have the strength anymore. I’m teetering on the brink of agreeing with the accelerationists and just letting it happen. The faster Trump ruins the country, the sooner we can rebuild it while we still have time to enjoy it.
