Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.
  • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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    13 days ago

    Punishing Democrats is a bonus extra if Democrats actually cared about losing votes. For me a vote for Harris is a vote for genocide. That’s why I am voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party.

    Note: anyone who goes “but Trump” is getting blocked. The Democrats had 12 months to stop the genocide and chose not to. Harris could have distanced herself from it and chose not to. The genocide is worse than the last time Trump was president. The only way liberals see Trump as worse than genocide is if they see us as less than people.

    • Facebones@reddthat.com
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      12 days ago

      Also, Democrats had 12 months to decry and act on military responses to peaceful college protests.

      Anybody who says “If Trump wins say goodbye to organizing” is outing themselves as someone who doesn’t organize, dems are complicit and supportive of the disproportionate response between leftist organizing and far right militant organizing.

    • millie@beehaw.orgEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Harris may be able to be pressured to take a morally justifiable position on Israeli war crimes after the election is over. Trump most certainly will not, and will cheer on the genocide.

      Jill Stein will do nothing, because she will not win.

            • millie@beehaw.orgEnglish
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              12 days ago

              Israel’s treatment of Palestine has certainly been unacceptable for much longer than Biden’s presidency, but their current bout of genocide is much more recent. The DNC has been faced with a political decision about whether it’s a greater risk to alienate centrist Israel supporters or leftist Palestine supporters in an election year when the literal collapse of any semblance of American democracy is on the table. The stakes, domestically, literally could not be higher. If we lose, it’s likely to end in either a generation of extreme fascist authoritarianism or outright civil war to prevent it. We’re very likely to have two supreme court seats coming up in this next term, which would give Trump five appointments to the supreme court, as well as the opportunity to dismantle any semblance of anything good the US has achieved in the past generation.

              Biden was faced with an impossible choice, and so is Harris. But that danger will literally evaporate on November 6th. At that point, a narrow margin of support isn’t a matter of life or death for the preservation of some semblance of American democracy.

              The US has overwhelming military dominance and an incredible potential for force projection. That power falling into the hands of a fascist who cozies up to the world’s worst dictators would be an absolute disaster for the entire world. Unimaginable as it may be with the current atrocities being committed by Israel, it would be worse for Palestine. It would be worse for everyone.

              Trump was bad enough the first time around, but he didn’t have the agenda he does now. He didn’t have a Republican party ready to burn down any chance of the US having legitimate governance in the next half-century without a civil war.

              Trump winning at this point would be a global catastrophe.

              When the storm has passed, we can at least try to pressure Harris. Is it guaranteed? No. But Trump is guaranteed to make it much much worse.

              Harris at least snubbed Netanyahu. That’s a better sign than we’re seeing from anyone else in the running for office.

              • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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                12 days ago

                The DNC has been faced with a political decision about whether it’s a greater risk to alienate centrist Israel supporters or leftist Palestine supporters in an election year when the literal collapse of any semblance of American democracy is on the table.

                Biden was faced with an impossible choice, and so is Harris. But that danger will literally evaporate on November 6th.

                So you are telling me that enabling the genocide was an election-winning tactic? Then the Democrats never needed our votes. Heck, maybe if I send them my home address they can bomb me and win even more votes with centrist Israel supporters.

                • millie@beehaw.orgEnglish
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                  12 days ago

                  Do I think tiptoeing around the issue and maintaining the status quo is a tactic to retain the votes and donations of Zionists? Absolutely. It’s 100% par for the course of political game-playing. Do I wish they’d speak out against it and completely cut off all support for Israel? Also absolutely.

                  Do you not think the DNC is making a calculated political move to keep people who care more about supporting Israel than doing what’s right on-side?

                  Whether or not the DNC has their heads up their asses on their political strategy doesn’t lessen the reality that Harris has the potential to be pushed against Israel and has already signaled her disapproval of Netanyahu or that Trump has come out and told the genocidal monster to ‘finish the job’.