• whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    ‘Princess’ establishment chosen Lyin’ Leiyah is clearly just trying to turn the empire back into the corrupt old Republic and force everyone to accept all aliens including the despicable Gran who don’t deserve rights because they don’t look or act like me. I heard she was even there when Alderaan was destroyed and did nothing.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Your options are The Trade Federation or the Old Republic.

    Count Dooku or Senator Palpatine

    And stop asking what happened to all those Younglings. The Trade Federation would kill far more Jedi if they were in power.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        14 days ago

        A big theme of the Prequel Series (and a reason for its insurgent popularity) stems from the strong anti-war themes.

        The Old Republic became the Empire as it was consumed by the mass militarization of its greedy, self-righteous, and power hungry elites.

        The Jedi fell into Palpatine’s trap when they surrounded themselves with Space Cops, foolishly believing endless escalation made them safer.

        • orrk@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          yet you seem to forget that the entire clone war era was a government that had become largely pacifist and demilitarized suddenly needing to deal with racist space turbocapitalists, leaving them scrambling and reliant on Palatine’s indoctrinated space cops to stop the literal corpratist takeover of the galaxy

    • piccolo@sh.itjust.works
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      14 days ago

      Wasnt dooku a sith? Thus was working for palpatine and the whole war was a plot to undermine the old republic to create an empire that palpatine directly controlled.

    • MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      I know this isn’t the point, but The Trade Federation were a Neimoidian megacorporation that was a member of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, which Count Dooku founded.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 days ago

    People gotta confuse reality with movies in order to justify their support for genocide.

    I’ll support kamalacaust when, instead of running for leader of a genocidal empire, she leads a rebel army against it.

  • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
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    15 days ago

    I must have missed the part of the movie where Leia devotes a significant amount of her planets resources to building the deathstar while her constituents screamed for her to stop

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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      15 days ago

      I see that you understand that, much like a vice president, that is something someone with the powers of a princess can do.

    • pimento64@sopuli.xyz
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      15 days ago

      Evidently you did, because it’s mentioned that she was a member of the Imperial Senate right up till it was dissolved. She participated directly in the government that built a weapon of mass destruction and used it to commit a genocidal act of state terrorism. Thankfully, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, they never invented purity testing so people like you weren’t wrenching their spines in an effort to suck their own dicks about it.

      • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
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        15 days ago

        Well you would have to have a spine to know what thats like so I understand why the people bravely tonguing the asshole of the administration lying to us and circumventing Congress to continue arming their pet dictator’s ethnic cleansing wouldn’t get it

        • pimento64@sopuli.xyz
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          15 days ago

          Maybe if you plugged away at it for a while you could come up with an even more flaccid and contrived rebuttal.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        15 days ago

        Clearly, the solution is to vote in the Imperial Senate if you want to affect change.

        Unless you’re trying to say Kamala Harris is secretly working for Hamas or something?

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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        15 days ago

        She was still in the senate when her ship was captured by Vader at the beginning of Star Wars.

        Leia: I’m a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.

        Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.

        • banner80@fedia.io
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          15 days ago

          That sums it up well. Leia wasn’t unclear about her morals and goals. She was working in government with the intention of making things better, instead of sitting outside of government and bitching while doing nothing to help.

          The baddies were sick of her constant efforts to derail their plans, so once they had enough fascist power to start going after their political rivals, they went after her.

          Being in government does not make everyone automatically a willing participant of all of that government’s policies. You wouldn’t accuse Bernie or AOC of being cozy with GOP bullshit. But people around here are very happy to blame Harris for everything they perceive to be going wrong in the gov, while casually dismissing that Trump is 10X worse at the same topics.

          • shadowfax13@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            15 days ago

            were you fed lead as a kid ? she has regularly held press conferences in full support of netanyahu and confirmed her policy on gaza is going to remain the same as biden.

            she has repeatedly stopped any anti-israel democrats from speaking in her rally while mostly dodging any questions around or just straight up spewing vile vomit like here

            harris is more of a Vizier and blinken tarkin.

          • zephorah@lemm.ee
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            15 days ago

            Michelle Obama made a speech on this. Trump is not getting demands. She is.

            Mr Concept of a Plan after 8 years isn’t pushed at all. Meanwhile, we need more details on the articulated plans of Harris. It’s quite the mismatched standard.

            Also, Biden is her boss. She’s not the boss yet. New bosses do different things with the company when they take over.

            • JaymesRS@literature.cafeEnglish
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              15 days ago

              And they don’t publicly undercut the old bosses while being second in charge especially in sensitive diplomatic situations.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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                15 days ago

                Exactly. Maybe Harris is in lockstep with Biden on Israel or maybe it would just be a really bad idea to undercut him while she needs his support.

                Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

                I’m old enough to remember that Al Gore didn’t rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.

                • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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                  15 days ago

                  Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

                  Trump Harris is just saying that to appease the Deep State Zionist voters, but once they’re in office, they’ll reveal that it was all an act and they’re actually going to do all the stuff we want. Trust the plan.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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            15 days ago

            She was working in government with the intention of making things better

            She was literally working for a rebellion actively fighting a war with the aim of overthrowing the government.

  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Why do you support terrorists?

    The Empire has a right to defend itself

    Those Rebel Terrorists were using human shields

    The ones responsible for the destruction of Alderaan were those Rebel Terrorists, we gave a very humane 30 minute evacuation warning after all

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      15 days ago

      The rebels destroyed Alderaan with their own superweapon they had been developing underground. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

      OK, the Death Star did fire on Alderaan, but it was a targeted, focused strike that hit a rebel facility which caused their superweapon to explode and destroy the planet, the Empire had no idea that would happen. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

      OK, the Death Star did destroy the planet, but the rebels were still developing a superweapon and even more people would’ve died otherwise. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

      OK, the rebels weren’t developing a superweapon on Alderaan, but the destruction of the planet were the actions of a rogue moff acting without approval. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

      OK, the Emperor’s right hand man was in the room when it was decided, but Emperor Palpatine has invited every surviving Alderaanian to his own private resort world, and they’re also rebuilding with a new colony on Ejolus. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

      OK, the colony on Ejolus has been wiped out, but they were harboring rebels. The Imperial Navy is the most moral force in the galaxy.

    • davidagain@lemmy.world
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      15 days ago

      Nope and nope.

      Guess who’s ringing up Netanyahu telling him not to agree authenticity the ceasefire? Yes, that’s right, the nation’s most popular insurrectionist and peace hater, Donald J Trump, and guess whose geriatric genocidal actions were not mentioned by you at all in a heroic act of something I’m sure psychologists have a name for, yes that’s right, it’s that loony loopy idtiot former president, losing his marbles in public on the television, yes, it’s two for two, good old (well, ok, old at least), Donald J Trump!

        • davidagain@lemmy.world
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          15 days ago

          I think Trump has been ringing up Netanyahu regularly to argue against Israel agreeing to Biden’s ceasefire plan, like he said he is, so Trump is working to keep the genocide in Gaza going and you can’t bring yourself to admit this or talk about it while Trump felt admits it and even boasts of it in public.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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            15 days ago

            I’ll admit it right now. Not that it matters why Netanyahu is refusing to negotiate.

            You seem to be under the impression that “negotiation” means “asking nicely and giving up if they say no.” If Netanyahu refuses to cooperate, you stop giving him weapons until he does. Obviously. How bad do you have to be at negotiating to not realize that?

            • Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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              15 days ago

              I’d imagine they have enough munitions and suppliers for it not to matter, and doing so will simply deteriorate relations, causing the US to hold less sway with its one ally in the region.

              Nah, that’s too nuanced - just don’t give them guns and they’ll stop.

              • TrueTomBombadil@lemmy.world
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                15 days ago

                It doesn’t really matter what you imagine. It’s worked before and I bet it’ll work again. And even if it doesn’t and Israel is entirely independent from the US and totally needs nothing from us… Why is that a reason to supply them. Great they don’t need our shit let’s stop giving it to em.

                Hold less sway with an ally… What good is that sway of we can’t stop a genocide with it? Or really slow it down even a pinch? I’d rather people doing genocide don’t like us actually… They’re evil.

                • Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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                  15 days ago

                  “I’d imagine” is American parlance for “most likely” not “I believe it therefore its real” dipshit.

                  You think Israel is using US munitions on a hand-to-mouth basis? What a braindead take.

                  Same thing with international politics and diplomacy. How the fuck are you more qualified to speak to it when you have no idea what unintended consequences could happen? Professor Dipshit over here solved the problem with Israel everyone, so pack it in and hope he solves world hunger next.

            • davidagain@lemmy.world
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              15 days ago

              So you admit that Trump is actively working to prolong the genocide in Gaza and then you ignore that and come straight back with your weird logic that the people who are trying to stop him are culpable and the people trying to get him to kill more gets a pass from you, and you want me to believe you care about Gaza?! You do not, you’re just cynically using it as a political football to try and win the election for stupid, senile and angry old man Donald “finish them” “best king of Israel” Trump.

              • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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                15 days ago

                So you believe that Biden should be completely immune to all criticism no matter what he does so long as he’s not Trump? I should just invent a fantasy world where Biden is perfect the way you do because acknowledging reality might hurt Kamala’s chances? If I was interested in doing that, then I would’ve done it with the beliefs I was raised with, and I’d be a religious conservative. Fortunately, I’m willing to think critically and face reality, instead of putting party above truth, as you seem to be suggesting I do right now. I want no part in any group or political ideology that requires me to lie or ignore the truth.

                Keep repeating that conspiracy theory to yourself all you want. Ad hominem is the only response you libs can ever muster. You can’t refute what I actually say, so you just focus on trying to paint me as a secret Trump supporter. Weak.

                • davidagain@lemmy.world
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                  15 days ago

                  It’s not ad hominem to point out that all of your criticisms are for the Democrats and you can barely muster half a sentence of admission that trump might not be the savior of Gaza you’re implying, and that your whole argument is politically biased against the Democrats and for the republicans.

                  If you don’t want to be accused of being a trump supporter, at least make some effort towards even a tiny bit of balance. But no, you can’t do it. For you, any factual criticism of trump and the republicans must be countered by a wall of conspiracy theory about how Biden’s attempts to negotiate peace are secretly war mongering and trump’s open and boastful war mongering is swept under the carpet.

          • Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            15 days ago

            Why can’t both be true? Sure. Trump tells Netanyahu not to accept the ceasefire. And when Netanyahu says no, rather than doing something to further pressure him, like making the munitions we send them conditional on a ceasefire, he just gives up and sends more bombs.

            We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options! We asked him nicely to stop and he told us no. :(

            • davidagain@lemmy.world
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              15 days ago

              One of two people will be president next: Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. It’s very important for the people of Gaza that it’s Kamala, not Trump. It’s a literal binary choice that the country faces. And then there’s the denying healthcare to women of childbearing age, the mass deportations, the plan to be dictator on day one, all of project 2025, the plan to send the military against leftwingers for disagreeing with Trump, all apart from the simping, fawning and sucking up to every dictator Trump can wheedle an appointment with and who has the nous to realise Trump will love them forever just for calling him clever or strong in public. I used to think that Putin had some compromat on Trump that kept him doing his bidding, but it became painfully obvious that that’s not needed, and Putin just needs to whisper in his ear that he’s a great leader and everyone respects him, and Trump is bought, yes, all that cheaply.

              • Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                15 days ago

                I 100% agree with you on everything in this comment. My only point is that regardless of how badly trump wants to finish the job, Harris certainly doesn’t seem to want to stop it. And as such, she isn’t free from criticism. Moreover she needs to hear more criticism to push her into walking back her support of Israel “defending itself” by retaliating in a wildly disproportionate fashion. And the key time to do it was in the lead up to the election, because if she felt like enough people were upset about it that it could cost her the election, it had a higher chance of making a difference.

                It’s possible to believe Trump is an evil piece of shit, but also that Harris needs to improve. Just because she’s the better choice doesn’t mean she’s perfect.

              • yankturdscum@lemmings.world
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                14 days ago

                It’s a literal binary choice that the country faces.

                It’s a false dichotomy that you’re forcing the rest of the world into. Genocide or more genocide.

                Death to america

  • frezik@midwest.social
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    15 days ago

    Death Stars don’t kill people. Traitors who won’t give up the location of the secret Rebel base kill people.

  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    15 days ago

    In this analogy, did Princess Leia build the Death Star and blow up Alderaan? Ridiculous levels of whitewashing.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      15 days ago

      Yeah, all he did was help Palpatine build the Death Star, and it was Tarkin who actually gave the order. Do these anti-Vader people even understand what his role is as Sith Lord?

      These single-issue voters who refuse to vote for Vader just because of the Adaraan issue are just helping Palpatine. Why does everyone suddenly care so much about Aldaraan anyway?

      • davidagain@lemmy.world
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        15 days ago

        Humorless and missing the point deliberately as usual, I see.

        Meanwhile in the real world, Trump explains how he regularly phones up Netanyahu to convince him to ditch Biden’s ceasefire plan.

        • jailgenociders@lemmings.world
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          15 days ago

          Trump explains how he regularly phones up Netanyahu to convince him to ditch Biden’s ceasefire plan.

          That’s conspiracy to commit genocide. That is a capital offense. How come that guy is allowed to run?

          This election is a sham.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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          15 days ago

          And Biden pretends to be upset about that while overriding congress to send him more weapons, completely unconditionally. Just like how he’s been unconditionally supportive of Israel his entire career.

          Don’t confuse your conspiracy theory cope that Biden or Kamala are secretly pro-Palestine, contrary to all their actions and statements, with “the real world.”

          At a certain point, arguing that they’re legitimately trying and failing to rein Netanyahu in, when he’s completely dependant on our protection, means arguing that they are so absurdly and comically incompetent that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the levers of power for fear that they might slip on a banana peel and catch themselves on the button that launches the nukes. They’re not idiots, they’re doing it because this is what they want.

          • davidagain@lemmy.world
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            15 days ago

            I love how you talk so much about the Democrats as if the Republicans wouldn’t be worse and as if Trump hasn’t admitted to phoning Netanyahu frequently to tell him not to agree to Biden’s ceasefire plan.

            • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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              15 days ago

              My criticism of the Democrats has nothing to do with the idea of the Republicans “not being worse.” I just believe, unlike you, that truth doesn’t stop being true when it’s inconvenient. Party loyalty has rendered you completely incapable of acknowledging reality, whether you can’t see it, or whether you do see it but won’t admit what you see.

              I’ll ask again since you refuse to answer: do you think that Biden needs Trump’s approval to stop bypassing Congress to send weapons to Israel?

              Biden shits his pants “Why would Trump do this?”

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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      15 days ago

      Trump didn’t stop Jamal Kashoggi from getting murdered with a meat saw, so I guess they’re similar that way.

  • jailgenociders@lemmings.world
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    15 days ago

    American political culture is based on hollywood bullshit. I would laugh if it wasn’t so shocking tbh.

    Imagine making fun of a genocide so you can cope about voting for a genocider.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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      15 days ago

      Since you’re having trouble understanding what is being made fun of, I can help you.

      A genocide is not being made fun of.

      To find out more about what is being made fun of, I recommend a mirror.

      • jailgenociders@lemmings.world
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        15 days ago

        Also in your analogy sinwar would obviously be leila. Trump is dark vader, Biden is palpatine and her darth harris or something. Manipulative as shit. What else to expect from the yanks beside lies and genocide apology, I wonder?

      • jailgenociders@lemmings.world
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        15 days ago

        Humour is not neutral. We laugh about things that brings us joy.

        For some it’s goofy cats. For some it’s dead arabs. You are the later.

        Ahah

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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          15 days ago

          Again, genocide is not what is being made fun of. You are what is being made fun of.

          And it’s pretty amusing that I’ve had to explain that to you twice because you didn’t get it the first time.

          Edit: Also, you think Princess Leia’s name is Princess Leila. LOL! You’re right, laughing at you does bring me joy.

          • sadnonyank@lemmings.world
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            15 days ago

            I really wonder what kind of human see this and doesn’t see you as a sheer asshole.

            The thing with ethno-centrist is that they think their referential should be universal. America first. Ahah this foreigner doesn’t know the name of whatever hollywood bullcrap character. What an idiot /s

            You are not better than a maga idiot, really. You are just too stupid to realize you are a fascist too.