• LePoisson@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Cool so I assume you’re voting for Harris then? She obviously is the candidate who would cause less harm to the people of Gaza and Palestinians in general.

    So it’d be pretty dumb to say something like that and then not try to do what you can as an individual to help (by voting for Harris).

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      20 days ago

      You assume correctly! Like you, I am simp-pathetic to upholding the genocidal status quo.

      It’d be pretty dumb not to blame anyone except those that nominated Harris, the best and only possible candidate to beat Trump.

      It would be outright dimwitted to believe any other course of action exists besides voting to show one’s undying loyalty to career politicians who uphold the beautiful and completely non-toxic American status quo.

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        20 days ago

        Feel free to take a break from the endless sarcasm and let us know what course of action you think people should be taking and what would get them to take it.

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          20 days ago

          Circling back to the content of this post, which supposes that Harris has no faults, I suggest and support critical thinking.

          This meme comes from a narrow frame of mind that imagines great differences between foreign policy (where none actually exist) between “sides” and mindlessly upholds a corrupt two party doctrine.

          The idea that democrats are entitled to certain votes emboldened Biden to proclaim African Americans aren’t “black”.

          Take a break from mindlessly accepting a toxic status quo. Stop showing establishment Dems that they are entitled to votes no matter how far right they are on policy.

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            Obviously people are thinking a lot harder than you. Why do you think you are the first person to realize that the democratic left is actually the rest of the world’s far right? Everyone figured that out when they were fucking twelve, so stop believing you are some enlightened philosophical or some shit.

            While we here, everyone else has also already realized that third party votes accomplish nothing in the current state of politics. Throw your vote wherever you want, but no party besides rep and dem is getting an electoral so thanks for wasting it. Unless we are all willing to get up, and force the hand of change, that is the reality we all have to live in. Well maybe if you caught up with everyone else you would know that.

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              No one should argue for change unless it’s popular to do so.

              Wow, so this has been the basis of human progress so far?

              Anyone who participates in society would be a hypocrite to make such criticisms right?

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            20 days ago

            This is what I asked you:

            Feel free to take a break from the endless sarcasm and let us know what course of action you think people should be taking and what would get them to take it.

            You have answered neither of those things. You just told me how you expected people to think. That was not the question. You brought up actions earlier, not thoughts.

            You don’t actually have any actions for people to take, do you?

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              You demand hand holding and spoon feeding.

              You would never be a useful ally, but I’m sure you will serve the status quo establishment well.

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                20 days ago

                You are correct. Contrarianism does not require allies.

                Allies are needed for people who have plans of action, something you lack.

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                  He has concepts of a plan lmao

                  Seriously though, fuck the two party system. Vote blue in 2024 and then work to enact ranked choice voting. That’s a start. There are a lot of things we need to change (e.g., gerrymandering, corporate capture, legal bribery, insider trading in Congress) but those things will never happen when both parties maintain the status quo.

                  Yes, both parties. Dems play lip service and then don’t do much outside the norm. (To be fair, Republicans don’t even pay lip service.) We need actually progressive Congresspeople/POTUS in Washington, and that’s not happening without abolishing first past the post.

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                    No. Not both parties.

                    It’s crazy that people like you say that after Roe was struck down. I didn’t like Hillary Clinton, but the idea that she would nominate conservative justices that would strike down Roe is nonsense.

                    And Kamala Harris isn’t planning to march brown and queer people into camps. Trump and his people are.

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            20 days ago

            Firat of all, your claim that the original post says that Harris is perfect/faultless, is obviously false. The original post does not make that claim, it doesn’t even imply it. So that’s a strawman.

            Second, your tone of communication strongly indicates a contrarian “holier-than-though” mindset that is typical for teenagers but also people who never grow out of mental self-indulgence. The lack of any sort of substantive argumentation doesn’t help your case either.

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              The original post doesn’t idealistically describe Harris??

              Your patronizing tone of hypocrisy speaks to an un-loved childhood.

              Your inability to recognize a substantive argument is both a personal failing and a projection of your own “contribution” to this discussion.