You call out Russia or China, MLs think if they regurgitate “read theory” that solves my issues with them.
You call out American liberals and how they aid fascists, you’re calling a secret Trump supporter.
You say that genocide is an evil action, liberals and Tankies will defend their favorite country’s actions because you’re a shill for the enemy if you do.
You say America did something kinda good, you’re somehow a neolib in disguise. You lightly praise the USSR, you’re Stalin’s second cousin as an AI.
I just don’t want people harmed by a government force. Fuck me, I guess? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills for applying the same morals to every politician and country, even ones I live in or slightly like.
Edit: If someone said it was annoying being an leftist and a bunch of liberals came in exusing their actions and doubling down, everyone would be singing a different tune. Just kinda fascinating.
The world thinks black and white these days. Any bit of nuance is incomprehensible for many
Eugene V Debs would be dissapointed in you lol
I just don’t want people harmed by a government force. Fuck me, I guess?
tbh yeah, fuck you. i dont understand why your ideology should be given any regard at all. Its an ideology of barely any worth besides anthropological.
As a centrist on Lemmy I feel you exactly. The political atmosphere here is so much more diverse than Reddit that 90% of people disagree with anything you say.
“These heroes in Russia who have immortalized their cause, our cause, who have paid in overflowing measure in blood and tears and agony unspeakable, the price of their fidelity and devotion to the oppressed and exploited toilers not only of their own land but of the whole world, now appeal to us for the food that shall save them from perishing as hostages to starva- tion, and shall we now fail to return in small party what we owe them for what they have suffered in the awful years of the revolution to break the fetters of labor everywhere and set humanity free from the curse of the ages?” – some tankie I guess
What’s an ML?
Likely referring to the lemmy.ml instance. We tend to have a reputation of being tankie.
They’re using it more broadly, for M-Ls in general.
Marxist-leninist
from what you’ve typed here, it doesn’t sound like you’re expressing very thought-out arguments.
everything is a broad stroke or a defensive sarcastic poke.
your account is only 2 weeks old and this is your first post.
I just checked your comment history, a lot of your comments look designed to antagonize people and you use broad terms like fascist a lot without adding anything relevant to the conversation.
If you comment on specific policies without coming to a knee -jerk directly insulting holistic conclusion you probably won’t be called out as often.
imagine that the people you are talking to are real people and how willing they would be to engage with your ideas if you said to a person face to face the things you are writing.
I don’t need to be kind to people who don’t care about people, or if they use me as a token in some grand strategy.
that has zero relation to my comment.
are you responding to somebody else?
Maybe its their right to tell you your opinions suck in their eyes
Also “liberals”, using that therm for US democrat voters will make you look like a Trump supporter in the eyes of basically everyone.
Liberal has an overloaded definiton. OP may have used liberal as an American Conservative might. I prefer using the term to describe the philosophy.
The term “right” is associated with Liberalism. Property rights is a Liberal idea and has included the right to own a human as a slave or to vote in an election for representation. The “marketplace of ideas” and “invisible hand of the free-market” are liberal ideas. The ideas have been assimilated by various political factions to suit their vision.
I would argue you have autonomy to tell me my ideas suck. I have Anarchist ideas like consensus, mutual aid and autonomy. I have the autonomy to choose goals I work toward. The product of my labor is mine. Humans are strongest when working together toward common goals. Working together requires respecting the autonomy of all. All power to all people.
Voting Republican or Democrat grows harder as both support a hierarchy where a Palestinian baby does not have the same right to life as an Israeli baby. With first-past-the-post voting, refusing to vote Democrat means being a Trump supporter. If it is troubling that the reality of the voting system does not capture the consent of the governed, maybe Liberalism isn’t for you. The system is working as intended.
Liberal is just used as a dog whistle in USA language it doesn’t have meaning anymore.
Liberal being a dog whistle is equivalent to Anarchy being a dog whistle. If words lack meaning there is nothing to discuss.
Oh the word doesn’t lack meaning, US people just verbally rape the word as a dog whistle.
I see you’ve never seen the other half of Lemmy, aka “the tankies.” They know exactly what op means by liberals and they hate them more than they hate conservatives.
Although they use it the same way, anyone outside the reactionary in-group.
Oh, ive seen lemmygrad, but i don’t count them as people.
government
You’re not the right kind of anarchist
You’re not the right kind of anarchist
I think doing this is unkind and wasting a chance to educate a (potential) companion.
@OP When you use “goverment” instead of state, some people get reminded of american right wingers and right-wing libertarians which use that word most often in the public discourse. Most anarchist use different vocabulary like “state” because its clearer defined and because it is based on anarchist theory that goes back hundreds of years. Personally I think its pretty clear what you are talking about in that sentence and its unfair to call you “not the right kind of anarchist” because of that.
For using the word government??? What kind of crazy gatekeeping is this?
Good gatekeeping.
Can you explain? I don’t understand what’s happening here
Gatekeeping.
Right, I suppose if you explained then it wouldn’t be gatekeeping.
No, im just gatekeeping the gatekeeping community. We love gates
Get used to it, anarchists pick losing fights against the whole world
It’s cool, the whole world is about to pick a fight itself.
Too true
Welcome to humanity, I guess. We’re full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it and just focus on your own beliefs first. You’ll never start a conversation with someone or change their opinion if you only tell them how they are wrong. And I’m not just trying to single you out. In fact, the people you are complaining about do the same thing. As soon as someone’s beliefs are put into questions they will do anything to defend it no matter how irrational it is and will even contradict themselves just to prove that one belief.
As an example, unless you’re a straight up piece of shit or a bigot I can’t find a reason to actually support innocent people getting killed or hurt. But if someone supported a person/people before shit got worse, they’ll try and justify it and believe there must be a reason. It’s kinda like a toxic relationship. Someone will stay in a relationship with someone for years with abuse, but because they love them they’ll try and justify it and believe they must have deserved it. It’s really easy to see shit from the outside, but from the inside you want to believe there is a reason and that you are right. No matter what. Because if you’re wrong, what do you even stand for?
Welcome to humanity, I guess. We’re full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.
Counter argument! Saying you like to eat cake will probably not give you hate from sane people.
NGL I do think less of people who eat cake if I’m honest. Not like super openly and I’d never use that as judgement, but gut feeling-wise? Yeah
Assuming you mean a cake that involves eggs, milk and/or butter, I’d bet you could find some vegans who would be angry.
And if you made it with fake eggs, milk and/or butter, you would make even more people angry!
Nah, I like using chickpea water, oat milk and margarine for my baking.
That’s fucking disgusting. Ground up murdered plants and chicken ovulation. I hate you.
See, you love me!
Marie Antoinette would like a word with you …
If you think being anarchist on Lemmy (or anywhere else, really) is annoying, try being openly vegan!
In all seriousness, having strong convictions or unusual identities and being open about them will always draw strong reactions. People don’t generally like being challenged, and will make it as painful as possible for anyone that pushes back on their lifestyle and assumptions about the world. Anarchists, MLs, vegetarians, free software advocates, environmental activists, atheists, anti-car advocates, trans people, non binaries, and asexuals all experience this on a constant basis.
You’re then left with a choice - be less open, or be ready to live with those reactions and start preparing emotionally for only a partial victory when the most liberal of your “allies” inevitably betray those convictions. The second option is hard. Really hard. We need the people willing to make that choice though, and the people able to get back up and keep fighting after that gut punch are needed even more.
Without the trans people and drag queens that fought at Stonewall and since, gay and lesbian acceptance wouldn’t be where it is in the US and Western Europe. That battle is still being fought in much of the rest of the world. The list of betrayals by the LG community against queer and trans people is far too long to list, and the battle for trans rights even in the US looks to have a long and bloody future (and the outlook is no less grim across the pond).
Even when they aren’t defeated, every delay of a coal mine, oil pipeline, or fracking project buys time for hundreds of millions of climate refugees expected as our world warms. Without those protest actions, we wouldn’t even see half measures like the Inflation Reduction Act or the half implementations of COP climate pledges. For those future climate refugees, even if they’re still forced out, that’s extra years of a liveable home.
The impact of Veganism on animal welfare is more complicated due to the need to weigh the way animal treatment degrades even further as profit goes down against the decreased number of animals that do the suffering (which is itself questionable as decreased profitability means more meat consumption by less wealthy people, who are far more numerous). The increasing number of vegetarians, growing use of plant milks, and plant-based meat substitutes that even some meat eaters use wouldn’t exist without the years of Vegan activism, research, and providing an early market for plant based products. One of the biggest impacts is probably one of the least recognized - TVP mixed in with chicken or beef in the global south to stretch the same amount of meat to more meals because it’s cheaper.
Every one of these examples has taken decades, and represents only a partial victory. Every one is a struggle that’s still ongoing. Every one still faces the same kind of name calling and resistance you’re experiencing. So stick to your guns, if you can, as long as you can. It matters. It makes a difference. But it takes a really, really long time and is annoying as fuck. At least you can take some comfort in the fact that your detractors wouldn’t be lashing out if you hadn’t pricked their consciences.
You’re wrong, having any firm opinion is annoying on Lemmy. Everyone here is the most difficult person in their social circle and we will throw hands
I don’t know if Varyk’s claim of your style of engagement is true, I haven’t looked at your comment history, so I’ll respond to what you’ve faced regardless of if you’ve attracted more disagreement than strictly needed.
Being an anarchist, and being super direct and upfront about your views, is going you get you some ire no matter where you go.
The reason is, generally speaking, you’re looking through history and systems of power with a lens that makes the problems with those other systems quite glaring.
The people who have adopted those other systems and ideologies will have already accepted the cognitive dissonance that comes with them, and they’re not going to take kindly to your nuanced opinion that makes them have to reevaluate their cognitive dissonance again. It’s much easier to dismiss or attack you instead.
Now there are ways of softening your critiques and opinions to make them less liable to attract anger, such adopting the Mr.Rodgers style, but sometimes that can be too soft, depending on the context. You’ll have to decide when that’s appropriate for yourself.
Hahah I feel you. I completely block filtered any word to do with the israeli occupation of gaza because no one wants genuine discourse on that subject. It’s all attacks and angry.
Named self after EVD, who famously became a marxist after reading theory while stuck in prison
complains about being told to read theory
Have you tried having serious politics instead vaguely vibing with generally anti-government ideas?
Have you tried not repeating the same 5 talking points to anyone who doesn’t want to obey a state even if it’s “the people’s state”?
“We have nothing special to offer the Negro, and we cannot make separate appeals to all the races.” – Your man.
Typical cracker.
Oh. Didn’t know that. Jesus.
You mean people have repeatedly pointed out you don’t hold the values of the person you named yourself after? Should that not prompt at least a little introspection?
