Sample bias. The unhealthy and depressed people were less likely to be out being active and having fun.
When I went to my first Riot Fest I looked around and was like, “Damn, did they shut down the punk rock retirement home?”
Then I realized I had just turned 31 and couldn’t trust myself any more.
what I’m hearing, here, is that society peaked at the end of the 1990s.
At a Limp Bizkit concert, possibly
I would say the big turning point would be around 2001.
Feel like there’s a reason for that, almost like I’m forgetting something…
But they told us we could never forget
Two big turning points
Isn’t that a major plot point of Matrix?
Minor.
Just that that was the time was where society peaked.
… the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is, of course, what this is all about.
It’s dem danged smart phones
Yeah but it is, though. Plus the psychological pressure from social media/ FOMO, plus enshittification everywhere, plus the constant undercurrent of wages and job opportunities eroding away from us due to inflation and upper-class greed.
People were happy when mobile phones entered the scene and became affordable. It didn’t take long for employers to use them for asking tasks of us during off-time for profit maximization, though. Not to mention the constant feeling of being spied on and experiencing the gathered data being used for being bombarded with creepily targetted ads.
I’m sorry for today’s youth, growing up thinking this is all perfectly normal and nothing can be done about it.
I visited the US in 1999.
After I left, everything turned to shit.Fuck you, get back over here. How dare you steal our happiness.
So its all YOUR fault! GETTIM
The peak of our civilization.
^According to Mr. Smith.^
Thanks to you. You shouldn’t have left.
i could tell it was more from Early to Risa as soon as i opened it
this dude has been flooding rightlean garbage memes from some half asleep Canadian server
If all they ever do is steal random 4chan posts, you’re probably not going to see much else
This is a well-established and active server, and I don’t have any political agenda. If I did, my personal politics are very left, so that wouldn’t be where I’d start.
Chill and enjoy the greentexts or filter the community if you’re not enjoying them.
there you are
do you think we can’t smell you?
you reek
Man I miss when concerts and events weren’t just for rich kids and people with disposable incomes. I remember going to see Metallica, $40 mid tier tickets. I saw AC DC for about the same. Rob zombie with Ozzy Osbourne. I even saw a WrestleMania for like $80 and that was a lot then for great seats.
Now concert tickets for Metallica are running $400-500 mid tier each. Even smaller bands and events are more than what a premium event used to cost. The development League hockey games cost more than the NHL games used to. Working class people have been priced out.
I paid $25 to listen to Power Trip inside of someone’s house.
It was one of the best and insane concerts I ever went to.
Metallica? I dunno, man. Maybe? Thing is, they, like Pink Floyd, have bucket-list status.
If you’re gonna see them before you die, you’re gonna pay for it. They know they’re established, influential, and huge, and they can basically charge whatever they want.
Still, tho. I’d rather pay $30 to go see The Melvins and get my face melted off by Buzz and his two drummers.
Just basic supply/demand… plus a little bit of elasticity and profit max.
Or Ticketmaster monopoly.
Yeah, im the only supplier.
Supply and demand.
I think revenues also shifted from selling music to using cheap music to sell concerts.
You mean pretty much free music.
Actually a good point.
One of my family members paid something like 60 € to see Michael Jackson in the 90s. I still remember how back then, I thought “what an outrageous price tag.”
I get 15-20 dollar tickets to concerts by bands I love fairly often, personally. It definitely depends a bit what kind of music you’re in to, and probably what part of the country you live in, but cheap concerts are still out there.
15-20$ in my area might get you symphony type concerts, but not one of their good ones. I could also pay the cover at a bar that has a live band. The smallest venues near me are still 50+ per ticket.
I could also pay the cover at a bar that has a live band.
I think the disconnect here is to me and the guy you’re replying to, that’s still a show/concert/whatever you wanna call it, but since a band like Julie isn’t as big as Metallica, they play the venues metallica used to play in '84, while Metallica is an arena act now. A concert doesn’t have to be in a theater or arena, that “cover” is the ticket price. Like see this show here at The Middle East downstairs in Cambridge MA, https://www.mideastoffers.com/tm-event/czarface-ocelot/ you’re not just paying $30 to get in, you’re paying $30 for an advanced ticked to see Czarface (who fucking rules btw), $35 day of show.
Unless you mean some shitty cover band nobody knows the name of in a bar nobody wants them in, in that case my mistake, bars around here don’t charge a cover for that they basically use it to beg for customers. I hate it, I wanted to drink with my friends and talk not “SURPRISE! Bad Barenaked ladies and Eve6 covers for 4 hours!”
You know what, you have a good point, all the bars around me I looked at don’t charge a cover. Theres probably some decent bands in the downtown area near me that are up and coming but my city is no Nashville.
Did you notice they mentioned pretty huge bands that bring in tens of thousands of people? Yeah, these groups don’t do shows where the tickets are 15-20$, but what’s fucked up is that they did back in the 90s when they pulled in even bigger crowds. So what has changed for their tickets to be 10x (or more) as expensive as 30 years ago? Ticketmaster.
I paid $3.50 to see a band a few months. Granted, I got a discount but the tickets were about $25 regular.
Pro Tip: A vacation + going to a concert there may be cheaper depending on the band.
Now concert tickets for Metallica are running $400-500 mid tier each.
😲
And here I thought 80 EUR for GNR was too much.
Let’s be real, GNR aren’t really in their prime…
Neither is Metallica. That’s not how this works, isn’t it? People come because they know the band name, remember good old songs, and so on.
GNR doesn’t have any concerts right now, so I can only use this data: https://www.rateyourseats.com/tickets/guns-n-roses
The average ticket price for all shows was $365
That’s still much more expensive than 80 EUR (which includes taxes).
I suppose you have a point. ACDC just finished a tour and it was also sold out. I just didn’t think GNR were ever that big in the first place but I’m not the target market
In my area at least, affordable concert tickets are still a thing. I see something like $30-60 for most acts, provided they’re not mega-popular like Metallica or Taylor Swift. If we look at inflation vs, say, 1995, we should expect things to cost about twice as much, and that seems to pretty much right (e.g. a $20 ticket in 1995 would be a little over $40 today). I went to a Dashboard Confessional concert in the early 2000s, and I think it was something like $40, so today I’d expect that to be $80. I see Dropkick Murphy’s tickets (I think similar popularity?) for something like $60-70, which is about right. And before you get into income discussions, wages have been beating inflation (this graph is from COVID, longer term has a similar trend), with the main exception being the year and a half or so of massive inflation.
So I don’t think tickets have necessarily gotten more expensive relative to inflation, they’ve always been kind of expensive. What does seem to have changed is the price ceiling for events seem to have gone up substantially. I don’t think I had ever seen single-ticket prices go as high as current Taylor Swift tickets go for, so it seems people are more willing to pay a premium than they were before.
I saw AC/DC twice for about 60 bucks each and though it was craaaazy expensive, because most shows i went to were like 5-10 bucks. I’m not even a big AC fan, i just thought back then that it’s probably the last opportunity to see them. They played with the offspring which i’m also not crazy about, but now that would ve an insane lineup for that kind of money.
Only like 10 or 15 years later there was a similar opportunity with iron maiden i think. I asked a friend to get tickets, but then it was already that if you didn’t buy them the millisecond they went on sale, they were bought up by bots.
This is fred durst at Woodstock 99. Decidedly everyone there was not happy, and after this set everyone was less happy . Has to do with 90s generation being not happy generally.
There were def fatties back then too. But time has progressed and things have only got worse.
This green text is false
Y’all are fat as fuck. Period. But I think I know why… bear with me.
I’ve spent decades watching Americans get fatter and fatter and fatter. I’ve seen people tonight that were unthinkable in the 70s and 80s. From talking to friends and neighbors over the years I’ve gathered this, “Yeah. I’m/he/she/ is a little pudgy, but at least I’m not as fat as him/her!”
You see people worse off than you and breathe a sigh of relief. Well… I look at gravestones and think, “At least I’m not that bad off!”
Keep telling my how bad your joints hurt when you hit 30.
Know someone who cut out fast food for a month and lost 10 pounds like the flip of a switch.
Everyone is overweight. I get called a twig for being 150 5’9 when in reality it’s normal or even a tad too much.
They aren’t concerned you’ve lost too much weight, they are worried about their own self image and what it means that you can actually maintain a healthy weight.
Yup, people call me “skinny” and I’m right at the borderline between normal and overweight. I could lose 20 lbs and still be in the healthy range. In fact, I’m trying to cut about 10 lbs just to make sure I don’t creep up into the overweight range.
You have it completely right. Same thing happened to me, as soon as I was a single pound less than clinically overweight, I was being told by family I was dangerously skinny.
Some skewed perspectives for sure.
It’s normalized in the US to be fat. All the people around are fat too, so they are rarely shaming. You’ll fit right in.
If you’re the only fat one in the group (like when you go to most of Asia) they usually make sure you know - repeatedly - that you’re the fat one. It’s a pretty big incentive to not be that one.
If everyone else is fat too, then why bother (aside from the million health and happiness reasons)
I beat my primary fat shamer so badly I caused a TBI. Spent a week in jail and some time out of school. Upon my return, no one had a negative thing to say about me, let alone my weight. Since I was no longer stressed worrying about bullies, I started doing more activities, making friends, etc. lost a bunch of weight. No diet change.
Beat the fuck out of bullies.
That’s not something to be proud of.
No shit.
You seem proud of it.
Do you need me to be ? I’m not. I just didn’t like seeing a bully try to justify bullying as a good thing, so I told my story.
If you want to know the real truth of how I feel, it nothing. I once felt pride when it was fresh. It felt like beating a monster. Then I felt growing fear and shame when the full scope of what I had done became apparent. I spent a good chunk of time feeling regret. After a while, life moved on and I stopped feeling anything about it aside from shadows of emotion when I think about it.
Why? This happened almost 30 years ago.
Congratulations, and I appreciate the fairytale style moral of the story.
Nothing fairy tail about it. I had a record and was on years of probation because I did a lot more damage than I thought I did. It was actually a very painful part of my life that had nothing to do with my weight and everything to do with an abusive family on top of dealing with bullies. People who fat shame would find something else to shame people for if no one was overweight. They’re just little bullies who want to justify being shitty people. I took one out, but nearly became one in return.
Ah, so fat shaming was the positive force for good all along
RIP r/fatpeoplehate
Their vitriol was legitimately the motivation I needed to get off my arse and lose ~90lbs and get fit.
ITT we are extremely confidently incorrect
Could also be the enshittification of our food including:
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Demonization of “fat” in foods leading to “fat free” foods being considered healthy when fats are actually good and necessary in the diet which leads to over consumption. (Don’t get me started on the sugar and corn lobby)
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Hyper processed food removing micronutrients necessary for our brains to tell us we’re full.
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Hyper processed foods being cheaper than whole foods
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Food deserts making fast food and convenience store food the only easily accessible food in many areas.
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The lack of knowledge/skills with respect to home cooking and the deemphasis of “home economics” type knowledge in general…
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The lack of free time required to both cook and pass on those skills
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The growing understanding of how perfluorinated materials (PFA, PFOA, PTFE) fuck with our body chemistry including contributing to obesity. Don’t get me started on how much companies like DuPont hid and lied about that stuff (and still are)
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There’s more but I hope you get the point
Basically what I’m saying is people were fat before “fat shaming” was looked down upon and late stage capitalism is frequently pulling the levers behind the curtain in many areas including this. The US has abundant wealth but that hasnt specifically translated to better health outcomes. And do you really think middle schoolers have evolved to the point where they don’t bully fat kids? There are very few obese people (both children and adults) out there who don’t feel shitty about how they look regardless of who tells them they should feel that way.
The point of trying to inhibit fat shaming and bullying of all kinds is so people don’t become reclusive and anti-social, pick up bad habits (such as drug addiction), kill themselves, decide to kill others in mass shootings and the like. Also, just don’t be a cunt and make fun of people.
Demonization of “fat” in foods
Yeah, this is the worst. When someone asks for dieting advice, I recommend high fat and high fiber, because both will help you feel fuller on the same amount of calories.
Hyper processed foods being cheaper than whole foods
I don’t think that’s actually true. It does seem to be true for restaurants and packaged foods, but cooking is almost always cheaper than buying the equivalent product in a highly processed form. The problem is that people seem to want easy, fast solutions, and buying something is easier than cooking.
Which gets into…
Sedentary lifestyle…
This is the real killer. We seem to put way too much emphasis on sedentary activities and time saving instead of doing the things that our bodies were designed for. We drive to work to sit on a chair, and then we eat already prepared food in front of a TV or desk to play games or watch something. There’s almost no walking anymore, much less running.
Consider replacing sedentary activities with enjoyable, active ones, such as:
- cycling instead of driving to do errands - maybe work is too far, but most live within a couple miles of a grocery store, library, or some other destination
- instead of watching TV, consider listening to an audiobook while walking/jogging/working out
- consider a standing desk for work/play; at the very least, get one that’s configurable so you can alternate
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It’s a public heath crisis that’s being completely ignored.
We have an abundance of energy dense processed foods that we use inactive transport to purchase in bulk that we then overconsume and waste vast amounts while plenty of people go hungry in a daily basis.
The result is that we have health systems at breaking point (especially socialised healthcare systems outside the US) with an increasing dependence on pharmaceutical or surgical solutions to deal with the symptoms but never the root cause.
In my area specifically only 32% of the population isn’t considered overweight or obese. It’s very depressing.
That’s all of US. Overweight or obese is nearing 70%.
I thought my area was different, but then I checked the data and we’re not too far off the median. The CDC states something like 30% of my state (Utah) is obese, which is quite surprising given how outdoorsy we are generally in this state.
I don’t know the solution here, other than not becoming obese myself. I personally am right at the border between normal and overweight, and I’m trying to drop a bit to stay on the healthier end of the spectrum. What’s odd is that most people call me “skinny” or “thin,” when I’m actually almost overweight.
Yup, I’m all for pushing against “body shaming,” but that doesn’t mean we have to just be okay with so many of our friends living unhealthy lifestyles. Encourage those you care for to live a healthier life.
Let’s also just ignore all the food and economic reasons why it’s so much easier to eat better and stay skinnier in other countries and just blame the people
Idk, I grew up fat in the US and everyone around me made damn sure I never forgot it.
Fat people don’t tend to be any kinder to other fat people, in my experience.
It’s so bad. You can be bang on mid BMI and people will tell you you need to eat more because you are too skinny.
People have no idea what is underweight, skinny, overweight. I would go as far as most people will think low end obese is healthy.
Now now, let’s not jump to conclusions. Anon might have a brain injury.
We could be living in utopia, but those damn youths had to go and break stuff
da yutes?
You can’t blame the youths, all of their actions were completed only to increase Their chances of procreating.
I don’t blame them for breaking stuff. They just had one of those days.
Dude, everything was fucked. Everybody sucked. 😝
High Frutose Corn Syrup
The skinny people at the concert from 25 years ago are now are now 45+ years old.
That’s what happened.
Hey! I’m only 44!
Well I can’t just call you ‘man’?
Well, you could say Dennis.
I didn’t know you were called Dennis!?
Well, you didn’t bother to find out, did you?
I did say sorry about the `old woman,’ but from the behind you looked–
I want at that concert but I was doing a lot more acid, mdma and dancing all weekend.
Not so much these days!
The fact OP is calling these people “skinny” is terrifying
Normal size is now skinny.
