The problem is that if these people are voting for Jill Stein, then they are not actually voting for who they wish. Jill Stein is not the person who they think she is.
If she were to magically win the election, they’d by-and-large be extraordinarily disappointed in the result.
This is why misinformation and disinformation is so destructive in a democracy. The voters need to be properly informed.
Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I’d not go this far, but let’s be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
And by “opinions” you must mean “lies”? Because all this fuck does day in and out is try to convince people that voting for Harris is bad and that voting third party is helpful in any capacity.
Yeah, we have to play nice because Rule 3 compels us. It sure seems like Rule 3 is cover and protection for these posters and a kugel to silence our criticisms of them. But the best wordsmiths among us can still call these posters out while staying in the letter of Rule 3, even if not the spirit. Thanks for calling out this poster’s nonsense for what it is, lies designed to get Trump elected.
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans “idiots.” That’s uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who’s paying you? Guess that doesn’t matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
I don’t know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn’t be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Can’t speak for shani66, but I can speak for myself. The rule says we only have to treat other members with good faith and respect. I personally think this rule is flawed. Respect is earned, not compelled. ‘Respect’ that is compelled is not respect at all. I still hate your guts, even if I’m forced not to express it in the way I want to. I think you are dishonest. I think you’re not here on good faith. And I know with certainty that there are bots and paid actors trawling these forums, spewing repeated nonsense to distract us and peel votes off our coalition so that their actual favoured candidate, Donald J. Trump, can win. Rule 3 says we can’t call those users out, at least not directly, which harms this community and allows the alt-right to spew its bullshit. But those are the rules, and it helps keep people who have legitimate criticisms from being lumped in with the troll accounts and the bots and the other bad actors.
Note, however, that the rule EXPLICITLY ALLOWS disrespectful commentary towards subjects of the article.
It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative).
Translated for you, this means that yes, we can absolutely call Muslim Americans voting third parties or staying home because Biden and Harris weren’t liberal enough for them a bunch of morons, because that is the subject of the article. I just can’t call you an idiot and a moron for voting third party because…
It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members.
The biggest flaw of these two rules? It’s OK for people like you to come in and collectively call us a bunch of murderers and genociders for supporting Biden as long as you don’t individually call us out. And you’re 100% here abusing every inch of that, while trying to literally muzzle us with the rules on topics you don’t agree with.
Sorry, ‘friend’, we’re not here for that. We’re going to keep calling you on the BS you’re spewing here until you hopefully disappear after election day, following the rules as closely as Jordon Lund requires us to to keep our comments visible.
Fortunately you’re not a moderator and don’t get to say what is and is not allowed. Rule 3 does allow us to say that Muslim Americans, or indeed anyone else, who votes Third Party or stays home as morons. We just can’t call you (and you can’t call us) morons directly.
Well, hey you are correct, I am not a mod. And you feel comfortable with someone saying “Muslim Americans are idiots” like that poster did, that’s on you. I don’t agree with it, but to your point, I’m not a mod.
I’m not sure why you have to call someone an idiot or a moron for anything, but that seems like something you are comfortable with. So you do you, friend.
They are properly informed, because they have the same access to news that you do.
I question if these two are the same. For any candidate. I also laugh at any group being called informed, because there definitely is disinformation out there everywhere, more and more.
This has nothing to do with the topic, only an overall observation that no one can claim any group is “properly informed”. “Properly” also is a loaded word…I don’t think you meant it nefariously, but it could be read that way.
The problem is that if these people are voting for Jill Stein, then they are not actually voting for who they wish. Jill Stein is not the person who they think she is.
If she were to magically win the election, they’d by-and-large be extraordinarily disappointed in the result.
This is why misinformation and disinformation is so destructive in a democracy. The voters need to be properly informed.
So are you saying that Muslim-American’s aren’t smart enough to figure out for themselves who they should vote for and who they believe in?!
You don’t know that. You THINK that, but that’s your opinion.
They are properly informed, because they have the same access to news that you do. There is nothing that you are doing and/or reading that they can’t.
So YOU are smart enough to figure it out, but Muslim American’s are not? Is that what you are implying?!
Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I’d not go this far, but let’s be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
Oh i didn’t articulate those reasons, that was a different (and probably less cynical) person lol, but yes you are correct.
Not cool, friend. Saying that “Muslim Americans are idiots” is not the way to make your point. Ewww… Reported for civility.
See, mods? This is how this poster views our civility rules. A weapon to shut us down so it can spew its opinions unopposed.
And by “opinions” you must mean “lies”? Because all this fuck does day in and out is try to convince people that voting for Harris is bad and that voting third party is helpful in any capacity.
Yeah, we have to play nice because Rule 3 compels us. It sure seems like Rule 3 is cover and protection for these posters and a kugel to silence our criticisms of them. But the best wordsmiths among us can still call these posters out while staying in the letter of Rule 3, even if not the spirit. Thanks for calling out this poster’s nonsense for what it is, lies designed to get Trump elected.
Oh I agree. If they hadn’t blocked me recently, I’m sure they’d report some of my saltier comments.
Oh man, what did you do? I’d LOVE to get blocked by these … people!
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans “idiots.” That’s uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
So a way to do all the things you aren’t doing? If this is a way to parody lib civility nonsense then you are doing a bang up job.
I don’t know what you mean.
I don’t know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn’t be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who’s paying you? Guess that doesn’t matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
Can’t speak for shani66, but I can speak for myself. The rule says we only have to treat other members with good faith and respect. I personally think this rule is flawed. Respect is earned, not compelled. ‘Respect’ that is compelled is not respect at all. I still hate your guts, even if I’m forced not to express it in the way I want to. I think you are dishonest. I think you’re not here on good faith. And I know with certainty that there are bots and paid actors trawling these forums, spewing repeated nonsense to distract us and peel votes off our coalition so that their actual favoured candidate, Donald J. Trump, can win. Rule 3 says we can’t call those users out, at least not directly, which harms this community and allows the alt-right to spew its bullshit. But those are the rules, and it helps keep people who have legitimate criticisms from being lumped in with the troll accounts and the bots and the other bad actors.
Note, however, that the rule EXPLICITLY ALLOWS disrespectful commentary towards subjects of the article.
Translated for you, this means that yes, we can absolutely call Muslim Americans voting third parties or staying home because Biden and Harris weren’t liberal enough for them a bunch of morons, because that is the subject of the article. I just can’t call you an idiot and a moron for voting third party because…
The biggest flaw of these two rules? It’s OK for people like you to come in and collectively call us a bunch of murderers and genociders for supporting Biden as long as you don’t individually call us out. And you’re 100% here abusing every inch of that, while trying to literally muzzle us with the rules on topics you don’t agree with.
Sorry, ‘friend’, we’re not here for that. We’re going to keep calling you on the BS you’re spewing here until you hopefully disappear after election day, following the rules as closely as Jordon Lund requires us to to keep our comments visible.
Dude you called Muslim Americans “idiots,” is that really the way to make your point? Come on, man…
Fortunately you’re not a moderator and don’t get to say what is and is not allowed. Rule 3 does allow us to say that Muslim Americans, or indeed anyone else, who votes Third Party or stays home as morons. We just can’t call you (and you can’t call us) morons directly.
Well, hey you are correct, I am not a mod. And you feel comfortable with someone saying “Muslim Americans are idiots” like that poster did, that’s on you. I don’t agree with it, but to your point, I’m not a mod.
I’m not sure why you have to call someone an idiot or a moron for anything, but that seems like something you are comfortable with. So you do you, friend.
They are smart enough, they are actively being misled by Russian interests.
I question if these two are the same. For any candidate. I also laugh at any group being called informed, because there definitely is disinformation out there everywhere, more and more.
This has nothing to do with the topic, only an overall observation that no one can claim any group is “properly informed”. “Properly” also is a loaded word…I don’t think you meant it nefariously, but it could be read that way.
I can respect that view. Fair points!