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minus-squarevga@sopuli.xyzlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoLibertarians help people. They just want to do it consciously by their own volition.
minus-squarePilferjinx@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoIt’s like I’m happier when the people around me are happy. If you don’t tread on me, I won’t tread on you.
minus-squareFlying Squid@lemmy.worldOPlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoPeople often are not happy if they live in poverty. The libertarian solution to that is essentially “stop being poor.”
minus-squareFlying Squid@lemmy.worldOPlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoExcept it doesn’t because you can’t just “stop being poor” and if you’re living in poverty, you don’t have the bootstraps to pull yourself up with. Which is why almost all of the richest people in America grew up at least middle class. Most grew up wealthy.
minus-squarejjjalljs@ttrpg.networklinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoI’m pretty sure studies have shown that just giving people money is very effective at ending poverty. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/07/541609649/how-to-fix-poverty-why-not-just-give-people-money https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-giving-500-no-strings-attached-stipends-pays-off-study-finds
minus-squareFlying Squid@lemmy.worldOPlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoYes, that’s how helping people works.
minus-squareFlying Squid@lemmy.worldOPlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·5 months agoThe controversy begins with Ayn Rand saying altruism is evil and ends with people like you who think help is something that can be forced and that it’s still help when it’s forced.
Libertarians help people. They just want to do it consciously by their own volition.
It’s like I’m happier when the people around me are happy. If you don’t tread on me, I won’t tread on you.
People often are not happy if they live in poverty. The libertarian solution to that is essentially “stop being poor.”
And it works!
Except it doesn’t because you can’t just “stop being poor” and if you’re living in poverty, you don’t have the bootstraps to pull yourself up with.
Which is why almost all of the richest people in America grew up at least middle class. Most grew up wealthy.
I’m pretty sure studies have shown that just giving people money is very effective at ending poverty.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/07/541609649/how-to-fix-poverty-why-not-just-give-people-money
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-giving-500-no-strings-attached-stipends-pays-off-study-finds
Yes, that’s how helping people works.
Not sure where the controversy here is.
The controversy begins with Ayn Rand saying altruism is evil and ends with people like you who think help is something that can be forced and that it’s still help when it’s forced.