This is going off the rails. Locking.
I do not have to have human rights? 😢
Is the answer not “A miserable little pile of secrets”?
I believe that would in fact be a man.
But enough talk. Have at you!
I’d say “A slightly less miserable pile of secrets because they are generally more in tune with their emotions” but that doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue
Then men are no different.
What is a woman? A fuzzy type.
Same as many many many many other categories previously thought crisp. Simple example: “living thing”.
Beat the right with fuzzy facts and fuzzy logic.
A “woman” is a label. It’s a social construct.
As such, while you and I may have some idea of what we think a woman is, it’s not really something that can be given a concrete definition the way these people seem to think it needs.
The meta of gender is simply the way we see eachother and not something that can be measured. It’s felt.
It’s a lot like trying to build a concrete definition for intelligence. What is intelligence? How can it be measured? IQ tests are one way, but they’re pretty much universally regarded as inaccurate at best.
Whatever intelligence is, these rage baiters don’t have it.
I agree. the only thing that we can say scientifically is that someone has a specific amount of traits we have associated with the social label ‘woman’. These traits are biologically speaking primarily related to reproduction and which role one would be able to fulfill the most effectively. Which does leave room for being able to fulfill both reproductive roles in some way or another.
Our social needs to mark ourselves and others as one of the two is deeply ingrained, but as it’s such a grey area under the hood it would make sense to have a more fluid relationship with the topic.
Gender helps when the surgeon cuts into the abdomen and wants better than 50/50 odds on what to expect on the other side.
One would expect the surgeon to have actually done their Pre-op. If they don’t know what to expect when cutting into someone, they shouldn’t be.
The proper response to Charlie Kirk saying,‘I’m married to a woman’ is ‘How long did the Koch’s make her agree to it?’
“I’ll take someone who wouldn’t talk to you if they were trapped in an elevator with you for $500 Alex.”
The ftm equivalent is “What is a man?” And the proper response is “A miserable little pile of secrets”.
But enough talk… Have at you!
“Someone you’ve never had consensual sex with.”
What are three douchebags doing at the DNC? I’ve seen pics/vids of this idiot & the weirdo beard one w the costume Matt Walsh & then the undercover boss my pillow guy, also in costume. Ragebait, I assume?
Covertly donating to Democratic party by buying the merch?
Yes. But imagine the screaming if they hadn’t been allowed in.
Okay. I imagined it. It gave me happiness. What next?
is this a valid response?
Nah. There are plenty of women who do not make my dick hard. To paraphrase Richard Pryor, I wouldn’t fuck Melania Trump with your dick.
I have no idea why anyone wanted to see her naked. Bleah.
She used to be much more attractive. Look up the picture of her and Donald with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and you can see it.
Only if you’re a himbo on the level of Johnny Bravo.
I can only dream of that.
It isn’t for me to define, and there are more important things in life to focus on.
I used to think 2 x chromosomes. Clearly I was wrong.
What if they have trisomy or monosomy?
What if they have a mutation and they don’t have the correct genes in their X and Y Chromosomes?
What if gender (a social construct) and biological sex aren’t actually the same thing?
What about just let people be because it’s none of your goddamned business how they want to express themselves, who they love, and why?
Did you skip the second and third words and entire second sentence of that comment, or what?
Whether a person has an XX chromosome or XY has absolutely no bearing on their body form.
Only a fool would gamble that just because a person looks like a woman that wt:thon is probably is XX, or just because a person looks like a man that thon probably is XY,
jordan petersons response, is literally perfect. “marry one and find out”
Unfortunately most of his braincells seem to no longer exist, but he has short second winds from time to time i suppose.
Literally perfect? Because you can’t marry a man? Only lesbian marriages are valid?
the question was literally “what is a woman” this is matt walsh we’re talking about here, not only are lesbian/gay marriages completely irrelevant here, you’re giving way too much credit to matt walsh.
Yeah, and the response “marry one and find out” is both misogynistic and queerphobic, so what’s your point?
the obvious answer here is that matt walsh is the misogynistic and queerphobic one, as he’s the one that’s asking the question. Peterson was just proposing a way to determine what a women in the modern context would be. There’s nothing misogynistic or queerphobic about that. They literally aren’t talking about gay marriage or women’s rights.
In fact i don’t see any way of claiming that the statement “marry one and find out” is either of those things. You’re reaching so incredibly hard that if i were to state that i wouldn’t marry a women that i must be sexist and misogynistic. Even though you literally have no conceptualization of my sexual/romantic orientation. Let alone how i feel about legally binding agreements. Or even who i am.
you could argue that petersons view of marriage is old and antiquated and that’s probably fair game, but at the end of the day, the question was literally in reference to a woman. For all we know, he could could very well be including trans women in that statement, which would make sense considering the construction of that statement.
philosophically and sociologically, it’s quite literally the definition of what a woman is. It’s the reason why it’s changed over time.
Again: You can marry a man. Even if you’re a man.
yeah, and we aren’t talking about men, we’re talking about women, which is probably why we’re talking about marrying them.
In fact the concept of marriage is entirely unrelated to the two individuals in this specific example, the entire point of including marriage, is to give an example of a specific type of relationship you can have with someone, where this concept would be clearly and unmistakably defined. The whole purpose of including it is so that you don’t just overrule the entire hypothetical by saying “yeah but someone from china” or something similarly irrelevant. Which is basically the exact thing you’re doing here.
Just a quick breakdown here. The marriage symbolizes interpersonal relationships. The find out part symbolizes how most social definitions are entirely liquid and depend very heavily upon external culture. It’s why certain slurs like queer are significantly less, slur-ry now.
The entire statement essentially just says “the definition of any given social aspect of humanity is dependent primarily on the individuals involved, and how well acquainted they are.” which while a little broad, gets the point across that the question “what is a woman” is a pretty fucking stupid question.
It’s not dissimilar to a chair. What is a chair? Something you can sit on? You can sit on the ground. An object built specifically for seating humans? Dogs can sit on chairs. A seat designed by a human to be used for seating? Well what about a stool or a bench? What about if we take that chair, and then put it somewhere it shouldn’t be, like on the ceiling? Is a ceiling chair still a chair? It can’t be sat in anymore.
and if we were to hyper analyze the scene that statement was made in, the ultimate definition given by (presumably) matt walsh’s wife, is “adult human female” which is weird, because adult is not specifically defined, and human should be fairly obvious that seems entirely redundant. And then we get to female, which runs into the exact same problem as before, what is a female? Presumably they intend for it to be used in a biological sex manner, but as we established, there is no clear definition anywhere in here, aside from the term female being used, which is not very descriptive either.
so perhaps i should ask you. What is a chair?
Your every paragraph includes a literally. Might want to hone it down a notch as it has a degrading effect on the content.
Alternative responses:
- “Yeah, it makes sense that you wouldn’t know.”
- “A human. Did you seriously not know that?”
- “Are you coming on to me?”
Are you coming on to me?”
I’ve actually used “I’m flattered, but I’m not into guys, sorry.” and when immediately he got pissy and insisted he isn’t gay and wasn’t asking me out, “It’s okay, you don’t have to hide who you are, I’m simply not interested.” and at that point my patience and certainty they wouldnt try to deck me were out the door, along with myself.
A musical theater performance was probably not the best place for the guy to be attempting to ragebait.
10/10 responses, I’d add in “If you have to ask, maybe you should get out more” which I guess is similar to “Makes sense you wouldn’t know”
Your first option is best. Insulting comeback that isn’t open-ended. It ends it so you can move on. The other options are asking for a response, including the OP one.
You could always go jeopardy style of “what is someone who doesn’t want to sleep with you”
Seems like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
They’re not honestly curiously asking anything.
One question can’t be “sealioning”. Sure they aren’t curiously looking for an answer, but that’s not what sealioning is. Click your own link.
I saw a further video of them doing this type of thing before.
No need to be a douchebag.
You said what they’re doing seems like sealioning. Not sure how any of us are supposed to infer that you’re not talking about the subject content you’re commenting on.
I affirmed the rest of your opinion other than the trendy label you then put on it. Not sure why that makes me a douchebag, but then with me not being American there might be subtleties to the term that I’m not aware of like “calmly suggests you might be misusing a term”.
They called you a douchebag because your response was snippy and rude. “Click your own link” sounds condescending and arrogant.
They tried to do a gotcha. Badly. And got gotcha’ed for it.
