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Have they listened to Bill Maher lately? I don’t think he’s liberal anymore.
I think he is, unfortunately. he’s just mask-off about it.
If you call yourself a “conservative” you’re either a fascist or a liberal that just isn’t quite there yet.
Conservapedia, like the incel wiki, are windows into parallel universes and both are proof, that ours isn’t the worst timeline after all.
It almost looks like incredibly well done satire
Poe’s law.
Damm, getting a sneak peak on what the enshitification o Wikipedia will be like.
Would wikipedia even meet the requirements for that?
Stalin was totally a lib tho
“We can’t do communism, we have to keep the state and enact a series of slow reforms. Also jail all the gays”
Eh, I dunno that I’d actually characterize him as a liberal so much as him being an authoritarian that just pushed whatever happened to serve him at any point. Kinda in the same vein of fascists not having any economic ideology, just whatever serves their ideal of the state at any given moment. So yeah, I certainly agree with your sentiment that Stalin certainly was not a communist, but more because he only cared about gaining/maintaining power rather than actually subscribing to any economic theory.
Stalin was by most accounts a true believer in Marxism-Leninism. There are simply too many unforced ideological-caused errors for it to be anything else, like Lysenkoism rejecting Mendelian genetics because the fascists loved it and it raised questions of eugenics.
The Stalinist economic plans were thoroughly Marxist. The problem there (as far as Stalin’s true believer status is concerned) was not ideological.
He was just a drunk, paranoid, murderous asshole. Socialists simply don’t like admitting that they’re as vulnerable to hypocrisy and corruption as anyone else.
Marxism-Leninism is a form of liberalism.
Not PZ Myers! D:
I can’t believe they spelled his name right for once.
“Hitler was a socialist! It was in the name!” “China is communist! It’s in the name!” “North korea is communist! It’s in the name!”
“Kamala harris is a communist! She is with the democratic party, but that does not mean she is one. 🤡” “Trumps wouldbe-assassin was not a republican. He might be registered as such, but that does not suit my agenda 🤡.” “Everything i read or hear, i see as fact or not based on what helps me most 🤡”
These people are absolute fucking clowns and it’s impossible to talk or argue with them because they are not grounded in reality. It is exhausting.
I can’t imagine being a voting-age adult and not immediately understanding that these people are full of shit? You don’t even need to know what specific words mean to see what they’re doing. It’s so fucking dumb and childish.
I can’t imagine being a voting-age adult and not immediately understanding that these people are full of shit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis
Try huffing leaded car fumes for 20 years first. Then immerse yourself in Reagan-Era propaganda for the next 20. Finally, miss out on the biggest bull market in history because you put all your retirement savings in canned tuna and collectible gold coins like all your very wealthy online friends told you to.
Now you’re in your late 60s, your kids and grandkids never talk to you, you’re scrapping by on Social Security after five years of killer inflation, and all you can do every day is sit in a dingy suburban ranch house watching “Mexican Muslims Have Caravaned The Border And Stolen Our Jobs” every waking hour.
There’s a Trump rally in town. All your friends are going. And the booze is free. Who are you voting for in November?
There is a growing populace of people who actually believe the world is flat.
I mean, it’s not really growing anymore as far as I know.
Always create an in group and an out group, these labels aren’t meant to be accurate for them, they don’t care, they just want to have a word for those people there who we don’t like and dehumanize them, if they could they’d just use the N word for everyone
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
Oh yeah. Then why kamala be dum?
Stupid lib
Man, I had to check your post history to know you were messin’ with me. Your conservative impression is spot on.
“Cheesecake is cake! It’s in the name!”
Cheesecake is not cake? Have i been living in a lie my entire life?
It’s a pie and/or tart. I’m sorry to have to tell you this and strip more of your innocence away.
When my family puts candles on one, sings “Happy Birthday” to me, and slices it up for everyone, then it’s a cake.
I think you’ll find there’s a lot of people who are happy getting birthday pies.
Could you imagine of Adolf Hitler named and said thjngs that were lies with the purpose of manipulating people and getting in power? Thankfully, we live in a timeline where he cant lie
Gotta make sure to include the Hussein in Obama’s name
Every single republican is also a liberal. It’s the dominant ideology of capitalism and its state.
The difference is that the liberalism of republicans is more “classic” in that it’s heavily mixed with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, classism, etc.
There’s only two kinda of liberalism; economic, and social.
Why do we separate the two? Who does that serve?
Free market Capitalists dislike the population being able to make/recognize the distinction. Because there’s a certain kind of “Liberal” who are only Liberals when Liberalism economically benefits them, but become Conservatives (and even radically right wing Conservatives) when Socially Democratic policies, or talk of taxing wealth becomes popular.
Donald Trump, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others have all worn the mask of a “Liberalism” that refuses to to make this distinction (between social and economic liberalism).
A Liberal who is an economic liberal but doesn’t seek progressive improvements to society, isn’t a liberal at all. They’re a conservative in waiting for the moment things progress too far.
Thus leftists are served by keeping this distinction in mind. Learn it. Recognize who will kick up a fuss and change teams, and remember that they have a limited use, and will eventually go no further (or worse, become a major hindrance). You need an exit strategy for those people.
Otherwise progress gets maligned in the name of maintaining the ‘status quo’.
Historically it used to be used like: “I’m socially liberal but a fiscal conservative”
The reality is that translated to: “I want to fund everything I want but never give money or resources to people that aren’t like me”… good old institutional racism and bigotry with a nice facade
Conservativism as an ideological definition is a branch of liberalism.
When you say liberal, do you mean social liberalism or classical liberalism?
Modern socialism is made up of people that get hard over the thought of leading a worker’s revolution while being completely incapable of having a conversation with anyone in the working class.
Like what’s the goal in redefining terminology to be different from common usage? It’s not enticing anyone in the working class to join your movement, that’s for sure. Most people don’t even understand what the hell the average socialist is even talking about at this point.
I agree we can get up our own asses with the terminology, but in this case just skimming the Wikipedia page will reveal that the concept of liberalism encompasses almost all dominant political parties’ philosophies.
Infamous liberal
Adolf Hitler
So…half the conservative base agrees with a librul?
No no no. This is Adolf Hitler [bad, because National Socialism Volkswagon Bailout Lost The War].
You’re thinking of Adolf Hitler [good, because Based Chad Hates Immigrants Retvrn To Tradition].
Two totally different guys.
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Yes, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Their opinions on reality are not consistent. They will warp their minds into whatever twisted shape is required if they get to hurt the “other” (whoever that happens to be this cycle)
Their opinions on reality are not consistent.
I’m constantly reminded of that 90s (I think) country song. “You’ve Got to Stand for Something or You’ll Fall for Anything.”
Many of them just keep falling for the next lie, even while the previous lies are being corrected. They never stop for a minute and think the place they are getting their info from is bad.
When it comes to their opinion of Hitler, their mind is shaped like an unbalanced dumbbell. He’s a hero and a villain at the same time, but he’s really only going to stay a villain to them for as long as it is necessary.
Was not expecting the abrupt pivot into barely relevant bible study.
Several parables in the Bible foreshadow the insight of quantum entanglement about paired photons having opposite spin
Interesting, I wonder what their evidence is for that-
by contrasting two men in their relationship with God. The Prodigal Son contrasts two brothers, two churchgoers are contrasted in Luke 18:9–14 , and two brothers are further contrasted in Luke 21:28-31
Just… 2 people being compared?
LOL
In order to understand it you have to understand its creator: Andrew Schlafly: he’s an electrical engineer and lawyer and his mother is Phyllis Schlafly, a lawyer famous for her militant opposition to feminism and the Equal Rights Amendment, a proposed amendment to the constitution that reads:
Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Phyllis wasn’t just some opponent of that amendment, no she was probably the primary reason it failed.
In short: there’s no reason why that website should be in any way sane just as there’s no reason its founder should be in any way sane. He really likes to critique physics theories that he doesn’t understand by citing philosophy and theology.
He tried to edit Wikipedia to insert his ideology. Wikipedia editors delivered the “science not nonsense” and “WP:NPOV” smackdown. Conservapedia is the result, written by and for ultra right wing home school students.
It’s an internet encyclopedia built for and by conservatives. Literally everything on there abruptly pivots to barely relevant Bible study.
I’m used to UK conservatives. They don’t like poor people, I think religion is really a minor issue for most of them though (after all it does generally preach kindness to the poor).
Hahah - I thought this was a joke, I can’t believe it’s a real thing. It reads like an angry fundie 14yo wrote it.
Largely written by and for right wing angry fundie home schoolers. You’re not wrong.
even they should know the difference between librul and commie, right?
No, liberal, commie, fascist, are all just interchangeable terms for “people I don’t like”
The people who curate the site? Absolutely. The people who frequent the site…? ehhhh
The people who curate the site are out of their damn minds
I interacted with them a bit when the site was starting out. You’re being quite generous. Bunch of nutters.
I think it’s hard to overstate how insane they are but this should be a good starting point: Biased but amusing source they can’t edit And here’s them directly arguing against the theory of relativity
They literally don’t
Hitler was just really passionate about giving free healthcare to Jews, LGBT, intellectuals, Romani, slightly swarthy people, etc etc.
If i didn’t know any better I’d say that was sarcasm :o
Clearly I’m misinformed on Hitler tho and they’re definitelyNOT labeling him with their no-no word in order to pretend they aren’t fuckin Nazis themselves.
Free hair cuts, de-licing and showers too.
And they all got a unique free tatoo!
I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere in the terms of use for that wiki that they clarify that they are not liable for any trust users put in the articles and the tagline “trustworthy encyclopedia” cannot be enforced
Thisis why you never trust wikipedia
But it’s Conservapedia. And it says it’s “Trustworthy” under the logo.
You know it’s bad when they need to try to convince you they’re legit.
It’s from conservapedia!
still a wiki
Might as well say “never trust a website”
Can you really ever trust one? All of them have an agenda to push, no exceptions. If that agenda aligns with your’s, you’ve found an echo chamber for reinforcement. If not, perhaps you can learn of alternative viewpoints to an identical issue and maybe agree with some but not all of them. Things like wikis are supposed to be open to all opinions on a subject, but like everything good, someone will take it to corrupt.
“Never trust other people,” they say. I’m not sure I shpypd believe them, though.
You’re describing literally every discourse community and mode of communication. What you said applies to every book, newspaper, journal, website, forum, wiki, etc. There always some bias in some way. It’s how it works. Humans will be humans. It’s up to the individual to process information and discern what to think
Yep
No exceptions you say? Ah yes, the wiki agendas. I sure love the propaganda of the stardew valley wiki. Super echo chambery and clearly deep state politics
Glad to help heh
So, don’t trust the entire internet, then?
Pretty much. Take it all with a grain of salt
You’re not using that phrase correctly. “Take it with a grain of salt” means not to commit to the knowledge until it’s verified else where or at least applying basic skepticism to it.
Wikipedia is a fairly safe place to start with research, but I would never really believe it for current event policies or adjacent topics.
Conservipedia is an engineered echo chamber that exists because Wikipedia kicked their founders out for vandalism. It only gives credibility to Wikipedia.
Exactly, Wikipedia has all sorts of processes and policies around making articles high quality. That includes trying to remove as much ideologically driven material as possible. This would be deleted in seconds (maybe literally).
