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      The chart says it’s only looking at eligible voters

      But looking it up shows around 4.6 million were disenfranchised in 2022 because of convictions. In semi-good news, it’s gone down recently in part because more states are starting to allow people to vote after they’ve served time. So if people keep pushing in other states, it can hopefully keep going that way

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      7% is enough to swing any election in history (the part of it that is shown on the chart)

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      I think even more horrifying is that more people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016

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    We really need to have a compulsive voting law where the fine is like $1000 dollars. To make it easier though voters should get a federal holiday for elections, a choice of mail in voting, and be rewarded with $50 dollars for doing it. For all of you people who hate the idea of being compelled to vote, jury duty is mandatory but you get a small stipend for your time (at least in CA) and it’s necessary to keep a functioning government.

    Now if only we can get rid of the electoral college and implement ranked choice voting…

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    This makes me kinda ill. Like I almost cried a bit looking over these numbers. And I’ve seen some shit.

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      List a jurisdiction where you say it happened, and I’ll link you to the court records of what the Republicans actually said happened, once they were in court and would have to back up their wild and outlandish lies

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      Or do it the other way around, the amount of money that the government can spend is limited by voter turnout.

      Clearly if you can’t get people excited enough to vote for your policies, you don’t have a mandate.

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        Tankies think that’s already how the US electoral system works. They think voting for Biden made more bombs fall on Gaza

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      Step 1: make voting compulsory

      Step 2: move it to a weekend

      Step 3: easy access to prepoll or postal voting for people who can’t make it on the official day

      Bonus step: change voting system to IRV, or even better, to something proportional like MMP or STV

      There you go. America has a functioning electoral system.

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          This guy is being downvoted, but voter id isn’t a bad thing. Like in a lot of easy things, it’s just that the US is backwards.

          In Europe everyone gets national id, and that enables you to vote. It IS voter id, but since it’s not only easy to get, but mandatory, you can’t use it as a means to exclude groups you don’t like.

          Get your shit together America.

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            IDs are not routinely checked when voting in Germany at least. But there’s no voter registration necessary because everyone is registered with their municipality and automatically gets their voting paperwork sent home. You just need that paperwork to vote, no ID. I wouldn’t change that setup because giving poll workers ways to refuse voters is not a good thing.

            Btw. I’ve never had to wait in line for more than a minute to vote. Voting booths are usually in walking distance (might be different in very rural areas) and each accommodates maybe 250 people for the day.

            Also, there are polling stations in prison. The right to vote can’t be taken away.

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              So how does Germany ensure that people are not taking other people’s voting paperwork and voting several times? I’m sure it must be addressed in some way.

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        Step 2 is out it is in most countries in Europe. But honestly I like how it is in the UK. You vote on a Thursday and people have legally mandated time off during that day to go vote.

        I feel like a lot of people would definitely vote if it gave them paid time off from their work.

        If you move to a weekend then it comes off their free time and they might be away etc

        Also free and no hurdles mail voting.

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      Maybe 3% voted for a third party, and because they aren’t shown the other bars were expanded to fill the entire space

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          Looks like '95 has 5% third party votes. The lower bound for visually representing votes here may be somewhere between 5% and 3% for the purposes of this graphic

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      Also, sometimes it say “won” or lost" behind the candidates, sometimes there is an asterisk, but for many entries, there is no information who won and who lost?

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        The asterisk is explained up top, and they only indicate who won when it is backwards from the popular vote total.

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      Just like the sub on reddit, the data in DataIsBeautiful apparently doesn’t actually have to be beautiful.

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          You don’t have public transit on national holidays and Sundays? Next you are going to ask who is going to work in hospitals and restaurants

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          No postage needed in California, nor Massachusetts if I recall correctly. Does your state really make you find a stamp to vote in 2024? That sucks, sorry to hear that.

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        I mean, at least put it on the weekend, like other countries (or at least mine).

        Allow early in-person voting centres and postal votes. Make it convenient.

        Though, maybe these are only widespread in mandatory voting counties (like mine), because you’d get massive complaints if it wasn’t convenient.

        Turnout is unsurprisingly, very high here.

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      Counter-proposition: you get to choose - either you cast the vote, or you get the free burger.

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          But you would remove people who would prefer burger to participating in democracy from the equation.

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              because people who prefer short term profit don’t make smart long term decisions and elections are all about long term decisions.

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                I think any American of the age of majority should be able to vote easily and I don’t think there should be a burger purity test to be able to do so.

                But if they want a free mediocre burger after it should be their reward to contributing to the democratic process.

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                  Right, all those poor hungry people who are one imaginary burger away from dying to malnutrition. Good thing they have you on their side!

                  A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”.

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        That is.

        It reminds me of a time I got arrested for giving a nice old lady a bottle of water while she was waiting in line to vote in Georgia and it became a big deal. I got charged, convicted and sentenced to prison time but luckily my friend Jerry Seinfeld springs Larry out of jail after he discovers a juror broke his sequester, causing a mistrial and the sentence being thrown out.

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      If they gave out monopoly pieces and gave away $1m they would have the entire working poor who don’t vote participate.

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      The government should pass a law that it’s required to vote, or give a reasonable explanation why you can’t. Employers are punished for keeping their employees from voting.

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        Hi, it’s me, Australia, you might remember me from such democratic innovations as the secret ballot and mandatory voting, America will never have mandatory voting because it works about as well as gun control, single payer health care, and the metric system.

        Also many places have mandatory voting but very few enforce it, I would put money on America being one of those places if it somehow got a foothold.

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    Also worth noting: Republicans have only once won the popular vote since the turn of this century, in 2004 for George W. Bush’s reelection, when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

    or put another way, the democratic candidate have won the popular vote on 5/6 presidential elections this century

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      It’s funny because here being incumbent usually is a disadvantage because you get blamed by all the crap that’s happening, even the little that isn’t their fault.

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        The median voter is woefully uninformed and largely votes on vibes and name recognition. Many fail to understand exactly what kind of power the president actually holds.

        Personally I blame this in part on the death of journalism. Local newspapers keep going out of business which removes any accountability for local authorities, and the only way you know of anything happening is based on Facebook gossip dripping in all of the biases the individuals who are there when something happens. And the local news that still exists keeps getting bought up by larger entities that may or may not be politically motivated to try to sway opinions and set the conversation across the country. Or worse in some cases independent news outlets are simply threatened into not investigating or reporting on certain topics

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      when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

      And slandering John Kerry, actual veteran and protestor, with “swiftboating” horseshit.

      W’s media goons were some of the slimiest motherfuckers ever to darken Washington’s marble halls.

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    Maybe a really dumb question and I’m not from the US but why did Hilary lose in 2016 when she had more votes than Donald Trump? That doesn’t really make any sense to me

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      We were supposed to be a representative democracy with one rep for every 33,000 Americans. When voting for president each state gets one vote per rep and one for each of their two senators.

      A while back some assholes decided that 33,000 is too representative and we should have a fixed number instead. So now it turns out that Wyoming should get one rep for every 58,000 Americans so their votes are worth far more than a Californian’s.

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      People don’t vote, states vote. Semi proportionally to number of people, but it isn’t linear. This means that California gets 50 some odd votes and they all go to the democrats most of the time but Wyoming gets 3 (the minimum) despite it being smaller than many cities in population and they all go to the republicans basically every time. That’s why swing states are a thing that exists and matters. Back in the 00s Florida and Ohio were in the sweet spot of big and could go either way (insert joke about my girlfriend) but now they’re both considered firmly Republican states, meanwhile Wisconsin lost its Republican status and now swings as did Arizona. When people talk about texas possibly becoming a swing state as a big deal this is why, it doesn’t matter who gets the popular vote, texas is so big and serves as a counterweight to California and New York for the republicans that if the democrats win Texas without the republicans picking up several states that they never get, all of the swing states, or one of the two big hitters of the Dems then there’s basically no chance for them to win.

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        It’s funny that even even if the weight was distributed equally by population (it isn’t), it’s not based on number of people voted. so, in theory if only one person votes, their vote still has the same weight as the whole state.

        That’s my understanding anyway.

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        What a weird system! Is there a specific reason why the US decided to do elections this way instead of just using the normal tallied vote count? This just adds a huge layer of complexity to the elections - you’d think they’d want to keep it as transparent and simple as possible.

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          The copout answer is “Back in the day it made it easier to do federal elections since the US is so big” afaik

          Tho really it’s just hard to change, the democrats are lazy/don’t wanna rock the boat, and the republicans benefit from it and are also evil

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        Also to clarify further, the founding fathers created the EC specifically to override the popular vote, because they were afraid that land owning men might be too poorly educated to actually make decisions about our “democracy.”

        Really let that sink in. They probably would have opposed the expansion of voting rights to anybody.

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    There should be a No Vote tax, make it just $1–10 or something small. If you vote, you don’t pay it. Use the money to help pay for administering the elections (wouldn’t cover everything, but it’d help).

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      Should we fix the system so that people both want to and can vote for candidates they want?

      No, that wouldn’t be American. Make something punitive that can be disproportionately leveraged against the poor and marginalized community neighborhoods.

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      That sounds like unnecessarily punishing low income people, in my opinion it would be better to give the 10$ to those who vote.

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    Should split this out by electoral college votes/states where the ‘did not vote’ could actually have made a difference. This is great info but also a bit misleading cause votes in swing states have more of an effect than increasing votes in deeply blue or deeply red states. The US president is not selected by a national popular vote. See on the chart how W Bush won the election but Gore had the popular vote, due to how the electoral college works.

    Not discounting that more people should vote. I wish there were a national holiday in the US for everyone to get out and vote. But some votes matter more than others, depending on where you live, and this chart misses that nuance.

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      Pretty much. My domicile is in one of the polarized States & the mail-in ballot costs $15 to send. It would be a waste of my money to send a ballot & since I don’t live there I have moral issues voting in elections for places I am out of touch with—leaving just federal content of the ballot.

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        Wait. Mail-in ballot costs money in the US? In other countries this is free.

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          Ludicrous shit

          And even then 15$!!?! How much does it cost to send a regular letter there? Because that’s at most how much it should cost to vote by mail. (But it’s it should 1000% be free)

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      There is a map like that out there, if I remember correctly like 40+ states had “did not vote” win…

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      Yeah, and some of the biggest states (like California) solidly go for one party. So, the non-voters really don’t affect the presidential race there.

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      W Bush didn’t win the election due to how the electoral college works, he won it due to the corrupt supreme court. Not only did he lose the popular vote, he lost the EC as well.