It is a bullying tactic to use someones refusal to play into your trap as “evidence of lying”
And no you didn’t tell me why you wouldn’t, you told me to stalk you.
I said: " You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation."
And then told you why her treatment was refused: “I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care”
And then told you why I continue to refuse to answer: “And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.”
I am telling you, there is no real capacity to research this. First of all, I doubt you speak the language, and second, its not like there’s a public statement saying “Old people will be abandoned and treatment will be refused”
You can make all the excuses you like to not name a country and a disorder, but it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.
Like I said I. This is a bullying tactic. Your intent is to be obnoxious so you can feel like you won. Its not a lie. You know its not a lie. And you know me naming a country proves nothing. Its just an attempt to get someone to “submit” to your demands so you can feel in control. You know I could say it’s Cron’s in Andorra, or ALS in Latvia, or a brain tumor in Finland. If you believe I’m lying why wouldn’t I say one of those lies? Its because you know I’m not, you just want to get me to “submit”.
Believe what you want, but you are a bully. I shared my own experience, and you seized that opportunity to be hostile and try to exert control over me through personal attacks on my character.
As for why you’re lying? Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S. (including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there). And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.
It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.
But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.
I’m not insulting you. I am describing the effect you are having on me. You are victimizing me through you’re bullying.
You accused me of lying. That is insulting me.
Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S.
I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.
(including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there).
She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.
And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.
I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.
It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.
So what does it mean since its the truth? That your hatred and mistrust of others who were just trying to have a calm discussion is misplaced?
But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.
Again not a lie. Actually, please, search my whole profile. Find somewhere that I have lied.
Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.
I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.
Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.
She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.
Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.
I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.
And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.
Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.
You know what’s ironic. You correctly identified that its an insult when its not true before.
You actually said: “Telling me I invented my daughter to excuse genocide is clearly harassing me.”
(Note I agreed with you and removed the comment)
I do not want to block you, because I am a moderator of a community and I think being able to communicate with everyone who engages in that community is vital- but nearly every interaction I’ve had with you you’ve been hostile and bordering threatening to me. Do you want to introduce ourselves in private messages or something- to help you see the human behind the keyboard rather than you viewing everyone(or maybe just me, I don’t know) as a target to practice your written attack on? Try to consider how you would feel in my situation, if you were telling the truth(as I am).
Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.
I’m sorry I trusted her family members who have been caring for her full time(in shifts) for years. I should’ve accused them of lying. I should’ve told them to put her back into the hospital where they didn’t empty her chamberpot for a week and it was almost overflowing, and where they would only give her food she couldn’t eat.
Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.
What? I said what my experience and my families experience with single-payer healthcare has been. I never claimed to be able to speak for other peoples experiences. Also, when it comes to lives, outliers matter. Plane crashes are outliers, but still matter.
And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.
Because her daughter has been having to deal with her treatment for years now?
It isn’t.
Yeah let me say you made up your daughter then(I don’t believe you did). But see how ridiculous this is.
It is a bullying tactic to use someones refusal to play into your trap as “evidence of lying”
I said: " You have no way to audit it anyways, you’re just looking for a reason to dismiss it. So there’s really no point in me bothering to explain the situation."
And then told you why her treatment was refused: “I’ll tell you the reason, she was deemed too old for it to be financially viable and was just offered hospice care”
And then told you why I continue to refuse to answer: “And I won’t answer, solely because I don’t like your bizarre belief that other people’s own experiences (in a country you probably know nothing about so would just makeup a reason to discard it) are subject to your interrogation. This was the experience of my relative, you can believe me or not, but please tell me how me telling you the country and condition(which I don’t know the name of anyways) would enable you to evaluate what I said is true.”
I am telling you, there is no real capacity to research this. First of all, I doubt you speak the language, and second, its not like there’s a public statement saying “Old people will be abandoned and treatment will be refused”
I can’t trap you or make you lie.
All you had to do was name the country and the disorder.
You can’t because it was a lie.
You can make all the excuses you like to not name a country and a disorder, but it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.
Like I said I. This is a bullying tactic. Your intent is to be obnoxious so you can feel like you won. Its not a lie. You know its not a lie. And you know me naming a country proves nothing. Its just an attempt to get someone to “submit” to your demands so you can feel in control. You know I could say it’s Cron’s in Andorra, or ALS in Latvia, or a brain tumor in Finland. If you believe I’m lying why wouldn’t I say one of those lies? Its because you know I’m not, you just want to get me to “submit”.
Believe what you want, but you are a bully. I shared my own experience, and you seized that opportunity to be hostile and try to exert control over me through personal attacks on my character.
Sorry, insulting me will not make your lie true.
As for why you’re lying? Probably because if you had named an actual country and an actual disorder, I could look it up and find out how much, if anything, it costs to treat in that country vs. the U.S. (including travel costs and hotel while you’re staying there). And your whole point was that, supposedly, people have to come to the U.S. for treatment since they can’t afford it in their country with universal healthcare.
It’s not just a lie, it’s an extremely silly and transparent lie.
But please, go on with your insults and claims of bullying. It won’t make your lie true.
I’m not insulting you. I am describing the effect you are having on me. You are victimizing me through you’re bullying.
You accused me of lying. That is insulting me.
I said a long time ago I don’t know the name of the condition.
She doesn’t stay in a hotel she stays with her daughter’s family.
I never said she can’t afford it, she can. The treatment is not provided to her. And the treatment that is provided is low quality.
So what does it mean since its the truth? That your hatred and mistrust of others who were just trying to have a calm discussion is misplaced?
Again not a lie. Actually, please, search my whole profile. Find somewhere that I have lied.
Sorry, accusing someone of lying is not an insult if they’re lying, which they are.
Then you have no idea if they could have gotten treated in their home country or how much it would cost, despite claiming this was an argument in favor of a for-profit medical system, making what you said… a lie.
Making her a major outlier, which would, again, make your argument that there is a benefit to a for-profit medical system… a lie.
And this in itself is a lie. You don’t know what’s wrong with her so you could not possibly know about the quality of treatment.
It isn’t.
I already did. See above.
You know what’s ironic. You correctly identified that its an insult when its not true before.
You actually said: “Telling me I invented my daughter to excuse genocide is clearly harassing me.”
(Note I agreed with you and removed the comment)
I do not want to block you, because I am a moderator of a community and I think being able to communicate with everyone who engages in that community is vital- but nearly every interaction I’ve had with you you’ve been hostile and bordering threatening to me. Do you want to introduce ourselves in private messages or something- to help you see the human behind the keyboard rather than you viewing everyone(or maybe just me, I don’t know) as a target to practice your written attack on? Try to consider how you would feel in my situation, if you were telling the truth(as I am).
I’m sorry I trusted her family members who have been caring for her full time(in shifts) for years. I should’ve accused them of lying. I should’ve told them to put her back into the hospital where they didn’t empty her chamberpot for a week and it was almost overflowing, and where they would only give her food she couldn’t eat.
What? I said what my experience and my families experience with single-payer healthcare has been. I never claimed to be able to speak for other peoples experiences. Also, when it comes to lives, outliers matter. Plane crashes are outliers, but still matter.
Because her daughter has been having to deal with her treatment for years now?
Yeah let me say you made up your daughter then(I don’t believe you did). But see how ridiculous this is.
If you want to block me, I could not care less.
And if you want to call me a liar, I could also not care less.
See how that works?
Why did you care before enough to call it harassment?