Those are rookie maternity numbers.
-Canada
Now hold on
America should get the silver medal here
Nope, other countries took silver and bronze by having significantly more than 0 in all of those categories.
Can’t win if you don’t compete
Our dataset only indicates that two countries participated
That’s the American media for you.
You posted this though?
Are you “American media”?
It was a joke. About how the American media makes the Olympics all about the U.S.
You’re calling yourself the American media?
It was a joke.
In Massachusetts where I’m lucky enough to live, everyone is given at least 12 weeks paid bonding time for birth of a child that can be taken as needed for up to one year after birth of their child. The birthing parents also gets 6-8 weeks of additional paid time. I think some other New England states also have a similar benefits. It’s an awesome program that should be modeled around the rest of the nation. Really IMO it should be a full 52 weeks, but I’ll take it as a solid starting point
Isn’t that due to Mitt Romney of all people? Part of “Romneycare?” I don’t want to give him credit, but that’s what I seem to remember.
Actually “Romneycare” is what we call masshealth and it’s the ACA before the ACA was national. Essentially mandated but state subsidized health insurance on a sliding scale. The Paid Family Medical Leave with inclusion if bonding time is a different program and only came into effect in the past year or two with an additional payroll tax paid by every employee and employer in MA (it’s a pretty tiny surcharge though, and to be transparent you only get 60% of your wages up to a certain amount, I think 1100/wk, while your taking the time). Here’s to hoping the federal govt will someday follow.
Thanks for the explanation.
im in Virginia and one time i had a really bad norovirus infection and my employer told me i would terminated if i didn’t show up and that he couldnt do anything about it (this was my 6th sick day in the past 11 months)
i showed up and had an accident on myself, very messy. Norovirus messy.
I walked into his office, reeking like hell, and i asked him if he had any mints or febreeze
He tried to send me home to change and i declined.
I think we’re all hoping you successfully infected your boss.
no clue, i had spent the last 48 hours losing all the moisture in my body so i was pretty dehydrated and had a fever
that entire week was like a weird dream
i really should not have driven a car in the physical state i was in, tbh
A lot of private professional trades in the US get all of these. They’re “economically viable” for a certain class of (supposedly very productive and important) staff but completely untenable for another larger, lower class of (supposedly lazy and easily replaceable) staff.
Even within the same firm.
If you work in McDs Corporate or occupy a management position at The Dollar Tree, somehow there’s money for leave that doesn’t exist for everyone else.
You might also notice a certain gender, religion, and race component to this, but I would try very hard not to think hard about it either.
my job has “paid sick time” but you cant use it if youre out of PTO and if you have PTO it takes off your PTO. how dumb is that. my coworker lost all his PTO by getting super sick for 2 weeks at the start of the year
Is it also at double rate, or you don’t even have 28 days of vacation?
Sounds to me like you don’t get any sick time.
Speedway and parent conpany 7 Eleven just did this this year everywhere it isn’t illegal. Made it so you only have PTO time and sick time takes it out of your pto. Thankfully that’s illegal in Michigan for hourly employees.
Which also has the fun situation of if you get promoted to general manager you loose your sick time because of going to salary vs hourly.
What a strange policy. So that just reduces sick leave to, what, an “unscheduled vacation”?
What’s weirder is that this eliminates some incentive to schedule a vacation in advance, provided you can lie about being sick.
And some people say it’s a toxic work culture in Japan. I mean, it’s far from perfect, but still not like the example here.
The toxic culture in Japan stems from the unspoken expectations.
You have a 40 hour schedule, but you’re expected to be in the office for +60. You get vacation time, but it’s shameful to use it. Women (particularly young women) aren’t given promotions or professional advancement because it’s assumed they’ll quit to become housewives as soon as they find a husband of a higher station.
All that shit you hear about microaggression, implicit bias, and structural racism run rampant in the Japanese corporate world.
When Japan capped overtime to 45 hours per month
It became shameful to log your overtime
Also to get time in a half you need to work over 60 hours but you don’t get that if you aren’t logging
Yikes, that’s lawsuit territory in the US. Like, my uncle was a lawyer on a lawsuit with similar facts.
Historically Japanese lawsuits around overtime had been companies suing employees for claiming wages
There’s some hope though. Younger people are starting to call bullshit on all this. Perhaps the fact that there’s an abudance of overworked old people everywhere is helping drive different thinking for everyone else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs4NERVZxc
We got a whole generation full of lead paint chips to thank for this
Infinite sick time seems amazing. No longer working through an illness? And not having to cancel vacations to make time for it (or flex if your company even allows that)?
If only…
Found out this year my country offers father’s (up to a combined) 52 weeks paternity leave with pay (~60% full time earnings)
Couldn’t imagine just dropping this little guy on my wife and heading to work the next day
I’ve always found it dumb that fathers get less paid leave. but i guess it’s better than… checks notes… zero.
You could make the argument that they don’t have massive body trauma to heal from…
But I think the time is more important to form that first bond more than anything
That’s the problem, what we have is reasonable for physical recovery after giving birth. However we need a political party to champion “family values” or something to help parents take care of the kid after they are born
Bonding time is important but it’s also important to get into the habit of looking after the children as a father. Otherwise odds on you won’t manage to bond very well with either your child or the mother 😅
True story - the time I almost got direct immediate benefit from a feminist organization …… when my kids were born, there was no leave so the best I could do was one week vacation. However a good friend of mine thought it was unfair so got together with her feminist group and petitioned the company for paternity leave!
They didn’t go for it, at least in time to help me, but they did do it before FMLA made them do something
This short just absolutely got me at “threaten to shit in the river.”
Reminds me of a comedians joke,
American: and how many sick days go you get off?
European: All of them? If you’re sick, you don’t go to work…
That’s not a joke, that’s just a fact. A sad fact for some of us on the left side of the pond.
Crazy how Europe outperformed the US during COVID.
Italy:
Paid maternity leave: 5 months (plus two hours per day for breast feeding for the rest of the first year).
Paid paternity leave: 10 days
The parents also get an additional 6 months of “parental leave” between them where they can take off and get paid 30% of their normal salary.
Paid sick leave: Capped at 180 days per year
I work in IT at a university. There is a state parental leave program, but above that the union bargained for additional parental leave.
The US has a significant separation between the federal and state levels. For a policy like this, you usually would find some of the more progressive states trying out different programs. Some more backward states will take a long time to come round. It really is more like a bunch of small to medium sized countries in that respect.
Russia is also working under very different demographics, which is probably driving at least the maternity leave. Birth rates are low and net migration, while positive, is not enough to keep up. The US has a birth rate that is closer to replacement and much higher net migration. That would mean lagging states would have less pressure to reform.
That’s France not Russia
Median income US: $48,625
Median income France: $29,131
You could take 1/3rd of the year off and still earn more.
Stuff like this gets baked into wages…
Cool, can I take a third of the year off here in America and still keep my job?
Otherwise, I think I’ll take the lower pay plus all the days off and the free healthcare.
Depends on the job, that’s what a teacher does, and the average teacher salary is double the median french salary
Teachers in the US definitely do NOT “take the summer off”, as someone who has an SIL that’s a teacher. That time winds up getting filled with lesson planning, adapting to new curricula, meetings with administration to discuss new curricula or books, and usually working a second job because your school is, most of the time, not paying you to do any of that.
It definitely depends on the type of teacher. My mom is a teacher but for her current job doesn’t need to do much planning so does get it off. Also like I said the average teacher is paid double what the average french worker is with similar cost of living
Teachers do not get free healthcare. I have no idea why you’re even suggesting it.
What’re you talking about? I didn’t say anything about healthcare or health insurance. But I will say now, full time public school teachers do get health insurance usually
I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.
And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.
I said it. You responded to it. I guess you responded without reading.
What? Again. I did not say teachers get free healthcare before. Why are you so hostile? I get the impression that you either want to view anyone who disagrees with you as dumb or a villain.
Anyways, you said:
Cool, can I take a third of the year off here in America and still keep my job?
Otherwise, I think I’ll take the lower pay plus all the days off and the free healthcare.
To which I responded:
Depends on the job, that’s what a teacher does, and the average teacher salary is double the median french salary
Because yes, a teacher does get a third of the year off.
And as someone with the same insurance they give to the local teachers and is thousands of dollars in medical debt over just two years, comparing that to the French healthcare system is laughable.
$30,000 of debt? If not you still would’ve made more money than in France.
See that “free healthcare” line you literally pasted from my post? That’s the part you didn’t respond to.
$30,000 of debt?
How are you not aware that there are things health insurance either doesn’t cover or doesn’t cover 100%?
There’s also this thing you’ve apparently never heard of called a deductible.
Where I live in Canada, we used to have 0 paid sick days, then we got 3 days shortly before an election, and they lost and the replacement party removed those 3 paid sick days.
They also chopped down the unpaid sick days from 10 to 3, probably hoping nobody would notice.
Nobody noticed. They got re-elected with a majority vote (done by about 1/3 of the voting population)
Yeah. Ontario voters and smooth brains. Name a better combination.
