I’m not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn’t automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yeah, as soon as Reddit killed off Reddit is fun, it was game over for me
Yup. I made a comment on [email protected] that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for “misinformation”. Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but “better mods” is subjective.
You can’t guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren’t power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won’t leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn’t make the mods themselves any different and that’s all in theory anyway. In practice there isn’t currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you’ve run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you’ll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they’ll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn’t mean different people.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There’s some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven’t yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven’t gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
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I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn’t even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for "“harassment”
I got banned for criticising Israel too
One thing I find interesting about Lemmy is that the modlog is public. This is the modlog for you on lemmy.ml (I assume you meant [email protected] since it seems to be the largest worldnews community). https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1572077
Note to readers: I’m not saying this user did or did not do anything deserving of action against them, but I believe public modlogs are a useful tool for accountability.
I was talking about reddit, but yeah
Back when Reddit was both good and the only option, we could laugh about being banned from the Trump sub.
Lots of mods on my favourite bits of Reddit left for lemmy, they were replaced by admins and the admins’ friends
It’s easy now to get a site wide ban if you participate in big subs (and a myriad small subs with the same mods) and don’t share the mods’ politics
I got perma IP banned from reddit after engaging a pro Trumper in a debate about what candidate actually gives us any remote chance for legalization. They devolved to trolling. I matche their energy. Guess who’s comments got downvoted to hell (the troll) yet still is allowed to keep their account.
I sweat these people act like school staff who prioritize protecting bullies over their victims. I cannot count the number of times I was accused of being uncivil when I decided to match the bullshit of trolls and bullies.
It’s because reddit had a rightwing mod takeover and they really do favor the bullies… like look at all the nazi stuff/subs there. Reddit is compromised
Yea. These people basically get ahead by taking advantage of the decency of others. But once you match their energy, How dare we be so indecent?
That’s OK though. I now know what it takes for them to understand we can’t be fucked with.
I got banned from /news for being “antisemitic” because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.
Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.
Seems like I wasn’t the only one falsely accused of spreading hate and and calling for violence.
Justifying israel and America committing Genocide = reasonable discussion.
Saying that blocking some ships to inflict economic pressure on the people committing Genocide is okay = terrorism.
Liberals in a nutshell.
It’s simple, look at the skin color of the perpetrators and victims, and do a comparison. Easy!
why stay on world after that, what a shithole
The reason I made my account on .world was because it was the most Zionism infested instance. It was a very intentional choice.
As long as you can debunk the Hasbara without getting banned it’s the best place to change people’s minds. You’d be amazed what .world looked like 9 months ago.
The mods put up with it for a while. But now the elections are coming close and Biden is still committing Genocide the .World mods are stepping up the censorship.
What are you on?
I just recently got banned (I think, never got a response) from the politics sub for reporting another use that called me retarded. It’s legit confusing. I literally reported them because it seemed out of pocket but apparently I said something offensive as well
I’m about ready to that go back to reddit, just using a web browser on my phone. This is place is asking users for a lot and people still don’t seem to understand what a community is. All the pretty words people used when we migrated over was all BS apparently. It’s weird since people clearly put in work but like, where are the mods/admins leading the community? Idk, maybe this stuff’s just too hard for mostly socially-stunted people to manage (including myself, raised on video games and whatnot)
Why not try a different instance? .world is by far the worst of the major instances and the most friendly towards transphobia and left-punching.
Idk, it’s honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don’t get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can’t vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I’m assuming there’s servers that get turned off at night or something
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Idk, it’s honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don’t get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can’t vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I’m assuming there’s servers that get turned off at night or something
“Instances” are like islands. There are other islanders you can interact with, with their own buildings, but people can visit your buildings from other islands. You can’t make another island your “home,” though, and just interact with their buildings. Some islands are on good terms, and some are on bad terms, and block each other.
What this looks like practically, are that you need to pick an instance that passes your vibe check. Scrolling by local on your home instance should be fun and engaging, and scrolling by “all” should show you more stuff you want to see.
Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from the more overtly Leftist instances, as an example, so it skews more right-wing.
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Go to this instance explorer, check out interesting instances, and scroll locally, anonymously. See the vibe! If you like the vibe, make an account or apply for one, and start interacting. You don’t have to delete your old account! I have 2, each on different instances, depending on my mood.
That was good info! Thanks
Shortly before I was permabanned I got an intensely hateful PM from someone who created a throwaway account just for that. He claimed that all Arabs are pedos and rapists and Islam is a disease of the mind and Arabs are infected. He glorified the genocide in Gaza because ‘That’s what you get for killing Jews’.
His master account is probably still active and unblemished. He was probably the guy whose reply I gave got me permabanned
isn’t .ml known for its tankies?
also i didn’t know about what instance does what. i thought the whole point of federation is that it doesn’t matter which one you’re on for almost all use cases. i signed up through world because… well, it’s called lemmy.world. like I had to pick something and this one made sense.
my experience is such that people don’t get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.
And based on what I’m seeing when I check folks’ profiles reiterating the same story… Yep it checks out more often than not. There’s no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.
Are the better mods in the room with us now?
Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I’ll join them
Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave
The one I can search posts from about a very specific issue or question I have with google
You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people
And searching for the said content
I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?
Good for you. At least it’s not enough for me, and for everyone who’s still using Reddit
Yeah, in comparison, that’s for sure. But if they don’t join, they fulfill their own prophecy.
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Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content
I’m doing my part!
There is substantially less content , but there is content. I don’t get everything I am looking for, but enough to keep me happy
lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we’ll grow.
We’ve already grown faster than reddit
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
My problem here is it being mostly left wing people, I am from the left, but I also want people from the other sides to be here as well, or else the whole thing will get one sided.
I don’t care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only “you have to be on the political left here” but “being to the left isn’t enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.”.
What does this means?
There probably are servers that try to be more tolerant or other opinions, but I think social media could be improved by something like in this video. I put a timestamp but TL;DW not just upvote+downvote, yes or no, but more diverse reactions like “partially agree”, “offtopic”, “you have convinced me”, “informative”, “misses the point”, etc.
So not just up and down, but left, right, diagonal and every which way to have a broader spectrum of human reactions instead of a binary one.
Additionally, add a more structured conversation flow depending on the community. A community for questions looks more like quora, a science community could maybe want options to add sources and have them aggregated in a thread, and so on.
Why would you actively want evil?
There’s evil in the left, trust me.
yes but right is all evil
This place is basically all autistic trans tankies. I’ve had to block so many anime communities just to make it feel anything close to mainstream
That’s a little risky to say on this instance lmao
And boom. It’s gone!
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don’t get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it’s not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I’m making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won’t be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
It’s the same picture.
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won’t exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it’s the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn’t matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn’t hurt. I’ve been on lemmy for more than a year and i’ve both created new horror groups and “adopted” abandoned one and, at the very least, now there’s some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
I only lurk on Reddit these days, but if old reddit goes away I’ll be completely done with it.
anything worth value, is 3 > 4 years old, and all those users are “deleted”.
if google and duck duck go stop indexing old.redd, I’ll probably never see it again.
The mods are not better here.
Are you sure it’s not just your instance?
Yes.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word “enshittification” is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it’s stolen. Can somebody break Reddit’s ToS and set up a reposting bot?
r/hellsomememes
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
So would @[email protected] and @[email protected]. That makes four!
I am too busy to create it though.
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it’s not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it’s an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won’t work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
Reposting bots aren’t great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren’t articles, they’re just memes. The discussion below is mostly just “aww” and “I’d like a demon friend too” so it’s not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
What do you mean by “privacy” on the lemmy side? And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
Hi, I’m Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to “power”.
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I’m still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it’s difficult when they’re willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don’t like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven’t, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it’ll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
