• Quik@infosec.pub
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    You often refer to Germany by the state then in place you mean, as there were multiple times where there has not been a single Germany (think DDR/BRD or before there was a single Germany to begin with) and overall a lot of German states with very different political systems during the years.

    • dwindling7373@feddit.it
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      No I don’t think I do… I probably used west and east Germany a couple of times but that’s it. Any country in the past were different than the modern counterpart anyway, and I feel distinguishing Nazi Germany from current Germany leans into some magical trasformation that I personally don’t love.

      • Quik@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        Yeah, I mean, I get that. Still, one could argue, not every country had such a (at best) mixed history politics-wise and naming the different states existing at different points in time quickly tells the reader a lot of political context as well as highlights that there was a said transformation process (but not a magical one).

      • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        distinguishing Nazi Germany from current Germany leans into some magical trasformation

        There’s an interesting debate on the amount of Nazi leaders, government officials and capitalists that were allowed to stay in their positions of power in western Germany after the Nazi were defeated. As a Spanish person, I myself sadly see the legacy of fascism in the Spanish institutions, and believe that the transition to democracy was way, way, way too lenient with fascists and fascism. That said, it’s useful to refer to countries whose systems of governance have changed drastically over time, by the system of the time you’re referring to, it’s not exclusive to Germany.

        • dwindling7373@feddit.it
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          I’m not so convinced you can even talk about a “transition”. Fascism and its nazi derivation, brewed and rised within democratic countries. And, lo and behold, they are still among us in our democracies so much so that they are ruling a number of countries.

          Fascist Spain is Spain. Fascist Italy is Italy. Fascist Japan is Japan and Nazi Germany is as clearly just Germany.

          Denying that is dangerous and doesn’t give you the tools, as a country, to change.

          • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            5 months ago

            Again, I agree that the fascists weren’t properly tried for their crimes and removed from the institutions (they were in east-germany). I’m just saying that there’s a consensus nowadays about using those terms to refer to countries that changed their regime at least in theory. If you want to make the argument to change that consensus, you’d be better understood explaining from the start your issues with the terms because of the lack of renovation of people in power and power structures, rather than just saying “there’s no other Germany”.