• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    3 months ago

    Yourself? This isn’t about you.

    How about all the other people? Millions of people. Fuck them? Because she’s just having a meeting with the perpetrator of a different genocide on the other side of the planet? A genocide that Trump will also perpetuate and has already said he would make worse?

    So essentially your refusal to “support genocide” in another country will make that genocide worse and add more genocide to the mix.

    But hey, this is all about sparing you from potential harm, right? Fuck all those illegals and homos.

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      You dismiss the idea that the humanity of Palestinians is equal to your own. Its ok for them to die under the bombs and weapons we supply to Israel, as long as it allows us to avoid our own domestic discomfort. We differ on this fact.

      I’m part of the groups that will probably be most immediately effected by a Trump admin. That fear will not push me to support a genocide.

      If the American system is broken and corrupted then we as Americans should be facing and reconciling those problems ourselves, not transferring our own potential discomfort and suffering overseas to kids that are out of sight and out of mind.

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        For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

        It’s about millions of other people. People whose lives you apparently don’t care about. I guess they’re too brown or too queer to be part of that whole ‘humanity being equal’ thing.

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          For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

          Yes, it is. It’s cowardice and self-interest. You’re not going to be able to flip this.

          You can’t on one hand claim you care about the hypothetical suffering millions while arguing for ignoring a very real on-going genocide funded by your representatives.

          “Just let Democrats get away with funding the slaughter of Gazans as long as we can skirt around the consequences of our corrupt politics here.”

          Maybe this will help; imagine the Gazans are white Americans. Ignore that they’re brown and live behind some imaginary line “somewhere else” in the world and instead pretend you see them as equal to you.

          When you take the perspective that they’re just as human and deserving of life as any of the other domestic groups you’re talking about, you realize that Biden is, at this very moment, doing a “Project 2025” of his own. It’s just against human beings who happen to be 7,000 miles away instead of closer to you.

          If Harris chooses to continue Bidens policy on this, I can’t vote for her, exactly the same as I can’t vote for Trump or Biden or any other zionist.

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            Do explain to me how it’s self-interest when I am cishet and white.

            And again- the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump. You just obviously don’t care about that. And if you don’t feel like voting for either of them, just stay home and don’t vote. Why waste your time or energy?

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              the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump.

              Why are you putting this in quotes? It’s an on-going genocide.

              And there’s nothing Trump can do to make what’s hapoening in Gaza any worse. Israel is doing exactly as they please. There us no more room to push the needle. The fact that you think there’s room for “worse” makes me think you don’t actually understand what’s happening there.

              Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything, because it’s a full-blown genocide already and the only thing Israel needs to continue it is what we’ve bern giving them.

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                I put it in quotes because I was quoting you. That is why those are called quotation marks.

                Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

                Also…

                Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything

                What the fuck.

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                  You understand the implication of putting something in quotes. It’s not my subjective opinion what’s happening in Gaza. It’s real. No quotes are necessary, same as if we’re talking about cars you don’t need to put “car” in quotes when you talk about them as if it’s some controversial term.

                  Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

                  Because Project 2025 will effect you too. The groups you’re talking about (lgbt people, brown and black Americans) have already been suffering the consequences of right-wing oppression and neoliberal negligence. The difference now is that those consequences are threatening to bleed over into the comfortable bubbles of neoliberal middle class and it’s freaking them out. Suddenly it’s this big priority that we all must pitch in together, while for the last 40 years those minorities gave been told they need to accept “slow progress” and “generational change” so that the corporate status quo can continue on without disruption.

                  What the fuck.

                  Do you think a Palestinian child cares if it’s an American pulling the trigger or an Israeli? Does it make a difference in the result?

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                    I used quotation marks because that is how punctuation works.

                    Also, the groups I’m talking about have not yet been marched into concentration camps like Project 2025 has planned for one and implies similar issues for the other.

                    U.S. troops on the ground would make the genocide worse.

                    You don’t seem to understand the concept of a bad thing being made worse. As if Britain aiding the Nazis in the Holocaust by killing all of their own Jews would somehow been equally as bad as what actually happened. Either that, or you’re fine with the Gaza genocide being worse and more genocides planned in the U.S., one of them explicitly stated by Project 2025 is a good thing so you can say you told us so.

                    So which is it- more genocide isn’t bad because lots more dead people doesn’t make genocide worse or you don’t care if there’s more genocide because you can gloat afterward?