• Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip
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    1 year ago

    Spoken like a true capitalist. Work for free, kiss the boots of corporate execs, and maybe we’ll throw you a none.

    milLeNnIaLsAnDgEnZdOnTwAnTtOwOrK

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    Sure. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power, that’s the way it works.
    If you want to paint houses for a living, or take X-rays, or something simple that just allows you to comfortably pay your bills, this is fucking stupid.

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      If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power, that’s the way it works.

      Nobody gets ahead by providing free labour, that shit is a myth so slaves work “hard” and nepo babies get promoted…

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        OP’s talking about the necessary grind, not working for free. Though that can be part of success.

        20-years ago I was grinding on my computers non-stop. That got me a tech support job. Few jobs later, I’m grinding on my home lab to learn more for what I wanted to do at work. That packed my resume and I doubled my pay and benefits on the next job.

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          OP’s talking about the necessary grind, not working for free.

          what are you basing this on? OP prompt is “free work:” Steve said “sure”

          but ok (gen-x) boomer

          way to bring your personal non sequitur anecdote int this tho, you really hit peak boomer here

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            Tbf, I am sick of Gen-X getting a pass or being ignored completely. They had great opportunities just like boomers and they are also pulling up the fucking ladder.

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      Sure. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power AND daddy is paying your expenses that’s the way it works.

      Fixed that for you. Internships only benefit the wealthy.

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          Bruhh… if my internships = career movers, then yes

          But there is so much parasitic “business owners” out there… looks like they are activating again. They got lucky in early 2010s when millennials were desperate for jobs because there were not enough boomers retiring. These parasite are looking for a similar set up, demographics are different.

          Let’s see how it plays out.

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      Slaves are expensive, you have to pay upfront and provide “housing” and “food”; desperate workers are so much better, they have to pay for their own shit with whatever scraps you throw at them!

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        Slaves are only more expensive upfront. Long run it’s far cheaper considering they will have kids that you then also own. There is a reason why those inbred chicken shit sister fuckers in the south had slaves instead of paying farm workers.

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          considering they will have kids that you then also own.

          Only in the fucked-up american version of slavery. It was never sustainable long-term.

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            Brazil also had that fucked up thing. A slave’s children were owned by the same asshole that owned the slave. It was only around the 1850s, decades before the full emancipation (1888), that all newborn children were considered free. It didn’t mean much in most cases, since the mother being a slave meant the entire cost of caring for her kid would eventually become a debt to them

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      She claims to have done so:

      "I went to the business listings and I just started calling up companies and asking them if they had internships available and that I would be willing to work for free.”

      It worked. Mathur’s first foot in the door of employment was at the travel firm Travelocity during her first summer at the University of Texas. She did admin and research for its general council—all for free.

      I wonder how the money worked at that stage in her life. Was she living off loans? Was she living off wealth from another source?

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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        Probably parents money. But even if it were a loan she’d have to have had more privilege than most to get to that position anyway.

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        I wonder how the money worked at that stage in her life.

        People can do a lot if mommy and daddy support them regardless. That’s why making things work for recipients of nepotism should not be the basis of the economy.

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        I just started calling companies and asking

        Immediately I don’t trust whatever advice she’s dispensing. You can’t just “call places” or “walk in with a resume” anymore. The phone numbers are all automated systems that will never put you in front of people who can hire you. You need a badge to get in anywhere that’ll give you an internship which you can’t get if you don’t work there, and if you did somehow talk to someone they’d just shrug and say “I don’t know how that works, just go to our website and apply there”

        Even ignoring the “let them eat cake attitude” it’s obvious she doesn’t even realize how hiring works at her own company. I guarantee you that her advice would not work at Squarespace

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          Yep, it was her generation that quickly pulled up the ladder behind them.

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          I imagine it’s something along the lines of calling people at companies who her family knows. I just assume when rich people say nonsense like that, it’s just networking or nepotism that normal people don’t have access to.

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            Ya, and when rich people get an internship, they are not expected to actually do work. But they somehow believe that they are actually doing work and they believe they did hard work.

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        Highly likely that there was some connections to grease a bit of the wheels of commerce.

        All these “i worked as an intern” usually have some connections that “picked” them from that intern pool. The other interns usually tend to be the fall guys. “So sorry all of you missed out but this person is the bestest!”. While being the son/daughter/friend/family of someone in that company.

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          I used to work at an insurance company, and I ran the internship program for my department once. When we were doing the interviews, one of the candidates was from my geographic area, which is pretty rural and not many of my coworkers were from anywhere near there. He’d launched a free tutoring program at his high school and carried it on a few hours a week through his first couple years of university until that point. For paid work experience, he had mostly agricultural work, because he had to support his family.

          I’m realizing now that I may have been a little naïve about it, but no one else even wanted to consider him compared to the students who were able to do many more extracurricular activities and were able to dedicate more hours to non paid work.

          What I’m trying to say is that even if nobody is actively corrupt, it’s a structurally classist system.

          • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.ml
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            What I’m trying to say is that even if nobody is actively corrupt, it’s a structurally classist system.

            Yep … this.

            Whether there are lies or nepotism or completely inapplicable experiences or just confirmation biases … the very idea of the internship to get your foot in the door is classist.

            The idea that you have time to burn for free for the sake of your career is classist. The idea that an economic system premised on everyone being employed somehow should work by having those employees constantly “hustle” to get employment is classist. To speak of these notions as universally applicable without acknowledging their classism … is classist.

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    This is exactly how she managed to advance so quickly. By being willing to spout this BS on demand.

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    She is essentially right that if you want to have a job you need to work for free. What she leaves out is that the only people who can afford to do that are already rich and this is a nepotism filter for those who already are part of the professional managerial class.

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      I am astounded that people think that you must work for free. This is illegal for good reason. The most valuable commodity that we have is our time. It is limited for every person. My time is as valuable to me as her time is to her.

      Serious question to up voters. How do you defend a privileged person demanding that time be given for free? Do you not value yourself?

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        I don’t think myself or the upvoters support or think that working for free is good or the right thing, it just is true in reality. In the US if you want those kind of professional managerial white collar big city jobs, you have to work for free thru college and sometimes beyond because that is how this system works via nepotism. Illegal doesn’t mean anything to wealthy people who can afford lawyers when the people they are abusing can’t. The state prosecutors don’t investigate this stuff because the state is run by people who are dependent on those same wealthy people’s donations. Reality sucks and solidarity needs to be built to make it better.

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        The only practice I can think of where people work for free that is socially acceptable are internships(which I fundamentally disagree with).

        One of my younger coworkers was required to do an internship, for free, for a set amount of hours so she could graduate and earn her degree. That internship took valuable hours away from her paying job, which she needs to afford to go to school full-time come fall.

        Wealthy people, or kids from wealthy families can afford to do that. People who have to work can’t really afford that, which filters out poor people trying to better themselves, or runs people into the ground trying to do both.

        It’s honestly disgusting that schools still do this and that it’s an accepted practice. I don’t know why anyone is okay with it to be honest. Maybe it’s just that normalized or something.

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          I’m so glad my community college refused to offer or honor any internship that was unpaid (or paid less than a set amount). We even got the local university to go along with it, so now pretty much nobody offers unpaid internships in the area because they all realize that they’d be missing out on a huge labor pool otherwise.

  • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
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    From her Wikipedia page lmao:

    Kinjil Mathur is an American business woman known for propagating slavery type employment for Gen z which reflects her capitalist mindset of exploiting people for her own personal wealth. Her quote “You really have to just be willing to do anything, any hours, any pay, any type of job—just really remain open.” 1 been widely slammed by Gen z generation .she is also the current chief marketing officer of Squarespace.[3][4][5] She was in Vogue’s list of “49 incredible Indian women who are creating legacies across the globe”. [6] [1]

    • pussycello@lemmynsfw.com
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      The wikipedia mods, however, keep rolling back these changes, despite the fact there is nothing wrong about it, in fact, it’s backed up by articles highlighting her statements.

      What the fuck is this, is Wikipedia only allowed to say good things from those fuckers?