Some people will be miserable no matter who is running
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Almost as if the US democrats where assholes through and through (still better that the Republicans, before you accuse me of supporting Trump).
Lol nah, just Russian bots acting like Americans. “Biden is too old, we need anybody else in order to beat Trump!”, “Kamala is too black/isn’t manly enough/isn’t black enough/is too womanly to beat Trump!”
Or maybe they’ll push the angle that “<candidate> was pushed down our throats by the political elite so vote third party/Trump to teach them a lesson!”
Not everyone critizising the DMC is a russian bot. 🙄
The non-bots criticizing the DMC are helping usher in fascism and they know it.
Yes, criticizing a supposedly democratic party is the most fascist thing one can do. /s
If the only alternative is a fascist president and the election is a popularity contest, then we need to win the popularity contest and we can squabble afterward. THis is something repugnicans do so much better than us, rally behind, and we really need to do that right now. En masse
I don’t think that noting that both sides are bad but one is the lesser evil will make people vote for Trump.
Fuck off propagandist
Sure, some of them are just galaxy brain cynics whose only political participation is actively sabotaging democratic outreach efforts because they like the way their farts smell.
There is a difference between being critical when it is warranted, and doing literally nothing besides that.
What’s better? Smelling you own fnrts, or drinking the Kool-aid that the US has a functioning democracy?
Any propaganda in favor of the DMC which tries to sell them as anything but the lesser evil is just insulting your intelligence.
We can’t verify anyone’s identity online to see if they are russian trolls due to the anonymising nature of the Internet so we instead have a look at their content and user history and make a decision based on that
Usually trolls act like trolls
Right, and the important distinction is that’s all they do. They go into political communities and agitate. They don’t talk about dogs or games or ways they are opposing Trump. Pretty much all they do is attack Democrats.
What do the Russians have against DMC?
Maybe it was never tricky to rock a rhyme.
Don’t they also love their Adidas?
We’re electing a president, not a monarch. Nobody is above criticism, and there’s a weird segment of people who act like criticism from the left exists only to help the right.
Like, I actually saw someone say we shouldn’t do it because it’s too nuanced for the average voter, and sorry but I don’t do paternalism like that. If reading criticism of how a candidate isn’t far enough left makes you vote further right, that’s a basic political literacy problem.
Maybe I’m super cynical, but does that really matter on Lemmy and the platforms connected to it?
Like, who’s reading this comment section that’s actually on the fence about going out and voting for a Harris ticket? It has to be a miniscule fraction.
Because when all those people do is criticize Democrats, sabotage outreach efforts, and don’t put any time or effort into defeating fascists, then it is very obvious where they stand.
Like I get it - huffing farts from time to time is great. But you gotta take a break and mix some productive advocacy and outreach if you actually care about Democracy instead of just smelling farts.
Just to point out… many people don’t care about the Democrats, except as a bulwark against the even more right-leaning Republicans. It’s not an institution that they respect and admire, but one they grudgingly tolerate.
I only joined the party so I could vote for Bernie in the 2016 primaries! 😉
If people want a shift to the left, they have to make sure that the Democrats crush the Repulicans for a few election cycles so that the Overton window can stop moving right and go left instead.
Unfortunately, the Repulicans are voting in a united front every election, no matter what.
The Democrats are notably terrible voters. They don’t show up like the Republicans do.
I mean, we could focus on defeating the GOP and the day after the election results come in start using social pressure to guide our elected officials. If the criticism risks the GOP seizing even more power, it might be counterproductive to your goals even if the criticism is valid.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse. For example, Harris’ record as DA is worth criticizing, but any bad decisions related to imprisoning people is going to be a million times worse under Trump, as Project 2025 shows.
Exactly this. On this platform and elsewhere, there is a lot of well-meaning criticism but there are many agents of chaos or narrative pushers that disguise themselves as genuine criticism. I try to interact genuinely and give an opportunity to demonstrate that they are looking for a constructive path forward for the party.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse.
Your argument would be great if we didn’t live in the reality presented below. There are too many people sitting on the fence who legitimately cannot discern between a mediocre candidate and a career conman, criminal rapist. Where you see nuance, others see “she’s no better than Trump”.
I like Harris as much as I like Biden, which is not at all, but the alternative is the very real possibility of the end of America.
For my money those charts will look very different after the next debate.
There’s also not a combination of words that’s going to convince me leftists criticizing Dems are going to kill America. Even if Trump gets elected, you are missing every potential lesson if what you take away is “leftists too mean.”
Yeah discouraging voters has never led anywhere bad before.
Being honest isn’t discouraging, it’s not being infantilizing.
Normal people don’t read lefty struggle sessions on the internet. 🙄
It’s a good thing they only let “normal” people vote.
Well, last time we pushed Biden left it was called too soon after election, give them time to form a plan. Form a cabinet, figure out policies.
Then it was midterms. Questioning the policies for misterm gives Republicans a win. They have to keep these conservative polices set by the last Republican to win over Republican voters.
Then it’s 2024. Questioning policies is a win for Republicans. They need to win this election, and then we can push them left.
I’m hoping it ends with a younger nominee.
Biden enacted the most left-wing policies of any president in US history. If that’s not enough for you, you won’t be satisfied with anyone who will get elected in the US.
Vote anyway.
It’s a lot easier to criticize the Democratic Party if the GOP is first discarded as useless trash and gets no votes in an election. Then we can decide who among our progressive candidates actually has the best approach forward.
Yet I keep seeing this thought assumed, that a 100% blue vote would “give them too much unchecked power”. This is the difference: We have a party while the GOP has a person. A bullet 2 inches to the right would have destroyed their whole movement.
She’s a shit candidate and has 0 chance of winning against Trump.
She’s a great candidate with a 73% chance to beat Trump.
See, it’s not that hard to make up stats!
Forty-seven percent of stats listed on Lenny are completely made up.
I think the moment she starts making speeches and getting into the public eye the tides will change. Trump is a drooling bumbling buffoon. Harris will remind people what an actual adult in their prime looks and sounds like.
This is doomerist, have y’all slept through the abortion measures being defeated in deep red states? All Harris has to do is campaign on abortion—something Biden refused to do as a Catholic—and the election is fucking won
She’s a shit candidate and has 0 chance of winning against Trump.
Zero percent eh? Which polls are you averaging to get that number?
Can she remember what she had for breakfast? If so, she’s got my vote.
She could be a human suit full of spiders and she would have my vote.
As someone who has literally almost burnt a house down because of a spider, I second this.
Three dwarves in a trenchcoat, even
Now let’s not go too far.
Yikes.
Before you say Trump can too, hamburgers don’t count as breakfast.
At least he remembered lol
Bro y u gotta do me like that?
And this is why I’ll never be president.
Well maybe you could be president if you stopped eating avocado toast and made coffee at home.
I almost always make coffee at home since I work from home, and I don’t like avocado. So maybe I can be president? Though I’m not sure if there’s ever been a US president that doesn’t like avocado.
I’d vote for you if you legalize my medicinal cocaine.
Don’t forget about my emotional support prostitute.
I like both at the same time so you can try pushing rope into a bored looking lady for three hundred bucks an hour.
Naturally. That’s where I have my best ideas.
Not in my district
Seriously. I NEVER know what she had for breakfast.
is it a binary thing? because there’s a very good chance it’s not mcdonald’s, which can’t be said for the other side
eyup. new directive is pushing the harris bad narrative now that project get joe to drop is complete.
Sure would be nice if people realized they are being manipulated, but being we are a stubborn species, pointing it out just makes idiots dig in harder.
It’s not a narrative as much as it is a fact. Her approval numbers are pretty terrible. Not insurmountable, but not great.
Her approval numbers are pretty terrible.
Well, she is an uppity woman, after all.
/s
I know you’re being sarcastic, but I worry that people take that attitude. Some not voting for her because she’s a woman, and then her supporters taking the Hillary Clinton angle that any criticism must be misogyny. All that did was ignore legitimate criticism that pointed out her low approval and failure to speak to her constituents. In the end, Dem voters didn’t turn out.
It’s funny that the technique of bating away valid criticism on somebody by claiming said criticism is relly an “-ism” is exactly the technique Zionists are using to bat away criticism of a Genocide so horrible that they have snipers activelly shooting children on the head when they’re playing at home.
If ethno-Fascists are using to justify child murder the very same argumentative techniques one uses to defend one’s “chief”, one might want to have a real hard think about why one feels the need to use the same discourse technique as child-murdering modern NAZIs rather than using truth and logic to defeat the criticism.
There is legitimate criticism which is substantive and specific. And then there is the “I don’t know what it is, but there’s something about her I just don’t like” which invariably and (to me at least) is quite obviously a gut reaction against strong-minded, intelligent and bold women.
Hillary Clinton got both. I’ve yet to see any substantive criticism of Harris… it’s all been in the latter vein. Like literally “she’s just not likable”.
The fairest behaviour is one where a person’s gender and race are irrelevant and all that counts are that person’s actions.
This is equally valid on the positive side and on the negative side: only people who are prejudiced will be celebrating of decrying her gender and/or race.
I don’t have a criticism of her, but I do have concerns. My biggest concern are the people who won’t vote for her based on her gender or race. As you said, they’ll shroud it in ambiguous statements about just not liking her, but that’ll be the reason for some people.
As for me, she’s not as centrist as Biden, which is nice, but not as progressive as I’d like to see. But I’ll vote for whomever the nominee is because they’re not Trump. Knowing I’d have to vote for Biden again was bothering me though, he’s given his life to public service, but his time was done, too many concerns.
My biggest concern are the people who won’t vote for her based on her gender or race.
Agree with you broadly. Yet… this type of concern is exactly why we end up with candidates like Biden. I say at this point pedal to the metal, let’s go all in and make it stick. For me she’s progressive enough given that no electable candidate will be as progressive as I’d like.
Found one.
Harris is my least favorite alternative and most risky but I’ll happily campaign for her if that’s who they decide.
Trump sure is old.
I hate Cheeto Chimp. But, Harris cannot win.
Why not?
Oh you’ll see. She’s got no charisma. About as boring as Hillary. Harris ran for President in 2020 and didn’t even make it to Iowa.
People shouldn’t vote based upon stage presence. But they do. And this country still has a fuck ton of racist and sexist people.
I’m still going to vote for her. But I’d bet Trump has a much easier path to another EC win against Harris. Biden was boring but conservative enough to make it harder for Trump to win swing states.
See I remember her being pretty sharp in the debates in the 2020 primaries.
That’s fair. But also anyone vs Pence will look good.
No, I said the primaries. Didn’t she go hard on Biden?
Wait I’m sorry. Forgot there were debates in like December of 2019 well before Iowa. I honestly don’t recall those at this point. All I do remember is I was 100% voting Bernie again in the primary.
She bombed out of the Presidential run before Iowa. Her campaign was not good.
This is just an anti-Trump republican (A.K.A. future Trump voter), guarantee it. No other demographic could say something that stupid.
“Because reasons!”
How many threads are you going to post this in?
As many as I want. This entire “fediverse” is supposed to be free speech.
I nominate Danica Roem. She’s INCREDIBLE, highly effective, and trans, so she’ll have every Republican having the vapours every day 100 times more than Obama did.
Seriously she’s awesome.
Well she did sorta become the Democratic candidate so yeah
I think she’d dance circles around Trump. I’m all for it.
While I agree and Harris would make a good president and spin cheetolini like a top, but I still don’t think the U.S. will elect a woman president yet. I think this will be the choice that gives twice impeached, convicted felon and likely pedophile drumpf his 2nd term. I’ve already made arrangements previous to this to get my family out of the U.S. and tomorrow we start shipping out our stuff.
Nah, I’m more than ready to vote for Harris. I was going to vote for Biden anyway, but I’m readier for Harris than I was for Biden.
So am I but I’m not going to pretend she is a lock for beating the notch eared pants-shitter. So for the safety of my family I’m not waiting until cheetolini wins and locks down the borders
That’s perfectly fine. Just be sure to vote blue.
Always have, never once failed, national and local, since the early 90s.
I’m sure the Russians already have their list of alliterative agitprop ready to test on .ml before pushing the best ones to prod on Reddit and Facebook.
I mean just reprint the copmala material from when she was announced as VP pick and you’re golden.
“Genocide Kamala” doesn’t quite flow as well.
j/kI’ve got money on “Crooked Cop Kamilla”. The licensing should make me millions.
By the standard of cops she’s not even crooked. Shes just a cop which is just as bad. But if she’s at the very least anti-genocide then shes got my vote.
She called for “immediate ceasefire” for Gaza. She’s not for genocide. She’s also been working towards police reform since 2020.
She explicitly kept people in California jails because they were needed to fight wild fires. When it became obvious how unpopular it was, she blamed it on her staffers
She helped to try to cover up the San Francisco Catholic church child molestation issue.
I personally know people whos parents ended up arrested because of the bullshit truancy ‘arrest the parents’ program she advocated for and then oversaw as attorney general.
She is a horrible person. Obviously not Trump, but still an awful person.
There is a lot to criticize her for based on her record. Don’t pretend there isn’t.
Edit: all that said, she hasn’t yet supported genocide, so I will vote for her. She is, however, a great example of why prosecutor should be a terminal political position.
Oh yeah, she’s an awful fucking person based on her history. But actively supporting and endorsing genocide was my red line issue (a pretty fucking low bar you’d think) so as long as shes clear there then she still has my vote against trump.
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I’m not here to say anything negative about Harris, but she DID kick my pregnant sister in the stomach.
I also heard she gave a middle finger to a box of kittens.
Thus far I’ve only seen memes over people salty about Biden making the right decision talking about rhetoric switching to Kamala. In fact I’ve seen several now.
It’s like you want something to push back against so bad you need to make it!
who is that?
There are some users on here who have bot vision, who see everything in shades of Russian troll. When it comes to that particular user I mentioned, they are absolutely correct.
