• Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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      3 months ago

      Hey now, the KS governor just vetoed some bullshit anti-abortion stuff. Somehow.

      But yes, KS is a poster child for letting right-wing idiocy run rampant.

  • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Issue with this (because of first past the post) there are still a significant number of people voting the opposite way of who wins in their electorate, for the most part.

    • niktemadur@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      I can hear their goddamned chants…

      Every square yard counts!
      Every square yard counts!

      When it suits them. That is basically how it does work, to their benefit. If it benefitted Democrats, well then… “that’s entirely different, see?”, they’d be screaming to high heaven at the “unfair librul conspiracy to take over the government!”

          • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            3 months ago

            I mean if by very recent you mean around the 60’s sure. But that’s still for like 20% of this country’s existence. Early in the country’s history New York/Boston/Philadelphia also had a lot of power in deciding who became president.

        • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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          3 months ago

          Probably why when the slaver’s college was being debated the “let’s not concentrate political power in a few northeastern cities” argument held more sway.

        • blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io
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          3 months ago

          Sorry, I wasn’t trying to create polemic. I’m well aware that for most of history democratic voting wasn’t a thing.

          Just wanted to add a bit of context, yes, by population city opinion is more important NOW, but until very recently, considering strictly population, it was not, and the current political tensions are in part caused by this change.

          I wish respectful conversation, sorry if I seemed rude.

          • Crowfiend@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            Sorry if I seemed rude. Ignoring life problems, I’m not great at talking to people or voicing my thoughts, I just get really angry over things since a car wreck a couple years ago. Like all my feelings towards anything at all have been amplified. I do genuinely hope you have a good rest of your day.

            I do still feel that your statement on the matter excludes the fact that, since the dawn of history, the town/city has been infinitely more relevant to voting matters than rural could ever be. As I said, the people living outside the city walls were irrelevant to practical sociopolitical matters.

            • blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io
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              3 months ago

              Certainly, but in the context of democracies, the rural people were made very relevant, being the majority, but now are being pushed back into being irrelevant, and are angry about it.

              I too wish you a good rest of the day, and a wonderful weekend, and may you come across people that stand with you so you can feel better.

    • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      What’s your point, though? I’m not sure if you’re pointing out that this is basically a population density map in order to argue something in particular? Because it seems like OP’s entire point was that while the majority of Americans are not conservative, people disguise this fact by NOT using population density maps to demonstrate political spreads.

      So, yeah, people live in cities. And most Americans swing left. Glad we can both read the map and agree on its message 👍

  • PunnyName@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    This country was founded in the idea that land is power and land owners get to vote.

    We need to change that. Peacefully first. But if that doesn’t work…peaceful protesting only works for so long.

    • Crowfiend@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      As others have said, yes it is. Unfortunately it’s also a strong representation of how the voting process operates in the US. At the local level (towns and cities), individual votes matter. However, for something like the presidential election (for example), then the votes are averaged by county and state.

      So what happens is everyone from a county votes, and if that county is more of one side than the other, that entire county is “voting x/y”. Then the counties across the state are compared, and that state is declared as “voting” for either side. Then nationally, each state is counted as either/or, so even if the more populated cities vote one way, if enough of the rural population votes the other way, the rural side wins, and the urban side loses.

      It’s almost as if the system urgently needs reform. Too bad the powers in charge of that were elected specifically because of it.

  • Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    This map is fascinating. Would be cool to have a mini legend for all those blue dots, as in what cities they are and why did people gather there.

    • paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      The way they are so evenly situated, I think they are just putting a population-proportioned dot in the center of each county. In meant states, counties are pretty much equal sized squares with varying amounts of people in them.

  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
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    3 months ago

    How come they always color the places that don’t have anybody there as red?

    Why can’t blue take it?

      • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Thank you for actually understanding what the second map says. It’s shocking how many people in these comments were so easily fooled into thinking that is where the people live in the second map.

        • paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works
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          3 months ago

          The other complication is that the second map is so potato you can’t see what color the smaller dots are and I think it gives overall a bluer impression than it would at higher quality.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      Blue has abandoned anything outside cities. Their outreach is basically move to a city, which unsurprisingly isn’t popular there.

      • Crowfiend@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        According to you: they abandoned things outside cities, so they’re not popular outside of cities???

        Lol tell me you’re ignorant without telling me you’re ignorant.

      • Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
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        3 months ago

        Question: do you think the MAJORITY of people should decide how they’re governed?

        And that’s aside from the obvious fact that red team is currently pushing a convicted felon seditious child raping traitor as their defacto king?

    • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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      3 months ago

      It’s the same reason all around the world: India, China, Australia, Venezuela, Romania, Kenya: Hicks.

      Hicks are everywhere. And they vote for regressive authoritarians for any number of reasons, most of them wrong.

    • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Keep in mind both of these maps are grossly misleading. Or at least one is being presented in a misleading way.

      One is just coloring an entire county the way the majority voted. This is why those huge (land) counties are all red, because at least 1 more person in it votes for trump than Biden (presumably, I don’t know what the map is actually based on but it’s a safe bet). So that’s why “the sand” is regularly colored red. Although saying noone lives these is misleading.

      Which leads me to the second map is probably a noble effort to show some population scale, by reducing all of the counties to a circle the relative size of their population, but it’s being misrepresented here as if that’s where all of the people in those counties live, which is certainly false. Just look at the center of the country, it’s basically a grid of small dots. Do people honestly think the population is distributed like that?

      The most frustrating thing about this is everyone in this thread is complaining about how Republicans are too stupid to understand why the map is colored the way it is…while being absolutely fooled as to why the other map is the way it is.

      • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz
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        3 months ago

        Possibly because unless you have an eight figure trust fund the GOP doesn’t help you, so if you vote Republican you are stupid?

        • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Apparently, hating dumb Republicans doesn’t preclude you from being dumb yourself. Imagine that

            • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              It’s funny because my point was based off of what you actually said, your’s was just a mindless childish insult… ironically accusing me of making childish retorts.

              It’s funny how much you see what you hate about yourself in other people.

      • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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        3 months ago

        The most frustrating thing about this is everyone in this thread is complaining about how Republicans are too stupid to understand why the map is colored the way it is…while being absolutely fooled as to why the other map is the way it is.

        Fwiw I don’t think anyone’s “fooled” by the first map. Or (again, imo) that all republiQans are too stupid to understand why sand doesn’t vote.

        I do think the first map is regularly used as a right-wing talking point by individuals and corporate news to “explain” how republiQans must be winning elections, and that explanation is false. Presumably many of the individuals and all corporate news organizations know that. Which is why it’s just straight-up propaganda.

        • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          My point is that the second map, at least the way it is being framed in this meme, is equally misleading.

          What it is presumably showing is dot in the middle of each county (although clearly not in middle for places like the NE that are being pushed apart, but I think it’s true for like kansas/nebraska) that is scaled relative to the population of that county. It’s not necessarily where the people in that county live.

          I get that Republicans use the former map to deceive and spread propaganda. What I’m pointing out is that is exactly what is happening with the way the second map is being framed in this meme. It’s pure absurdity for people to fall hook, line, and sinker for it. . .while shitting on the intelligence of people who fell hook, line, and sinker for another map being presented in a misleading way.

          • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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            3 months ago

            Oh right - well, again fwiw, I doubt people are lead to believe that midwest populations are laid out in perfect order like that.

            Hm. That said, most midwest towns are laid out in some kind of grid. But that’s more about transportation than politics.

  • Cuberoot@lemmynsfw.com
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    3 months ago

    Invariant of the day: In any square mile of the USA, there are 25 Republican voters, the rest of them either vote Democrat or not at all.

    It doesn’t work of course. Suffolk County, MA (Boston) has a partial pressure of about 1kGOP/mi2. Nevertheless, it’s closer than you might expect considering how many square miles don’t even have 25 human beings.