Trump after a shooting in Iowa that left one sixth-grader dead and six other staffers and students injured,
“So surprising to see it here. But, we have to get over it. We have to move forward…”
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how were the secret service not on the roofs or monitoring the roofs from aerial POV? Most obvious spot for a sniper.
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the dude interviewed by British journalist right after that says him and group saw man with gun climbing roof, told cops and secret service and neither did anything
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his first and only focus was his shoes?
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a man who is a documented coward and narcissist pushed against secret service to face cameras and have his head exposed for a long period of time?
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secret service ignores protocol to cover and remove him and let’s him vamp and pose
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straight lines of blood on his face, history with pro wrestling
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yes, the supposed gunman was killed, but on what day are there not thousands of trump cultists lined up and ready to die if someone tells them they are on a secret mission to help daddy?
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yes, some in crowd may have been injured, but when has trump shown any hesitation to have pale injured or killed for his personal benefit (January 6th, church protests, etc).
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his secret service were proven corrupt and involved in cover up measures for trump before (e.g. Deliberately erasing text messages relevant to January 6th)
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this all happens as project 2025 narrative was taking form hold, leaked video/audio by the day and days before the RNC.
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watch the footage, down the stairs, secret service is concerned with grabbing and carrying his special red hat? How the fuck would that ever be a concern in an actual emergency?
This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.
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Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
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“Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
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Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
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Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
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Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
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Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.
There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.
This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.
Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.
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This is wild speculation and almost certainly not true. You do nothing but discredit leftists by creating conspiracies.
Amen
“history with pro wrestling” 😂
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It’s one for the history books.
I’m sure the kids in Vault 101 will love it.
oh well if it comes to that I wanna be in the vault with the laughing gas
Gaaaarryyyyy!
Some say they caught the bullet on camera. What a time to be alive!
Is that possible?
People catch lightning on camera, why couldn’t they catch a bullet?
Lighting is very big and bright.
I love how you got downvoted for being completely accurate and correct in how the two situations are completely different. Ignorance votes on Lemmy and in November. 🤷♂️
Now the comment has positive score, but saying factual information on lemmy is often received by downvotes.
But only if it doesn’t fit the narrative.
lightning is super simple and easy to catch with just your phone because it’s so bright.
For those wondering: during a lightning storm just set your camera on a stand/lean it against the wall, set the time to 30 seconds, and the exposure to -3 and ISO to 100 (low as it will go), and just keep continuously taking photos. Eventually you’ll catch a bolt. I’ve done it on a beach just leaning my phone against a log.
It’s the exact opposite to trying to catch something with 1/4000th of a second to do it.
It’s definitely possible. Most pro cameras can take a picture in 1/8000th of a second. At that speed a handgun round would only travel about 2 inches.
The main factor is luck though. This shot would be pretty much impossible to get on purpose.
No. Not without a very expensive camera. You need 10s of 1000s of frames a second to do that sort of shit. No one was filming Trump with a million dollar camera for fun.
yes, it’s possible. It’s called luck. You don’t need to buy every single lottery ticket to win. Just one will do it.
🤔 I don’t think that white line on the photo could be the bullet:
The line is horizontal. The shot came from up on a roof and would have had at least some downward angle.
More importantly, in the photo Trump’s hand is raised at about his shoulder level. If you check the video, both his hands were gripping the podium at the time of the shot that hit his ear. It’s after that shot (because he feels it), he first winces and only then raises his hand from the podium up to his ear. So it can’t be that one in the photo.
His hand is up on his ear at the moment of the next shot. So it can’t be that one in the photo.
Then as he lowers his hand there is a third shot, but by that time his shoulders are scrunched up and he’s starting to duck, his head is turned more away from the mike–which is not what we see in this photo. Then he continues going down.
So that moment of the photo doesn’t seem to line up with the timing of any of the shots. The only way it might is if the sound track is not in sync with the video.
That’s a suspiciously skin coloured “bullet”. Could be a slower moving chunk of flesh?
I wouldn’t comment on details without seeing a higher resolution version.
If only that camera had a bullet.
It’s over. It was definitely a false flag op Are yall ready for a 100 year reign of terror from the trump family. Here comes the monarchy. I here Mexico is nice this time of year. Buckle up cause project 25 is incoming in 3, 2, boom
I can’t deny it is a good photo. Nice work, Leni Riefenstahl.
Especially if it comes out that you were a sucker playing along with false flaggy shit.
Not saying that’s the case, but if it was you’d want a photo like that.
This came out so perfect part of me wonders if there is a god and I am some poor sinner getting punished.
Like, fuck man. This assassin missed and hit all of us. This is everything they want and you can pick out a number of other photos a lot like it that where incredible. These last two months basically lined up perfectly for Trump.
This came out so perfect part of me wonders if there is a god and
I am some poor sinner getting punishedhe is an evil, petty, piece of shit.Seriously, go read the Old Testament.
“This assassin missed and hit all of us.”
This is such an elegant and iconic line. History will view that as the truth.
They didn’t miss. The US government will think twice about appointing a president half of the country wants dead. Power fear chaos and unrest among people, they want to have everything in control under their eye.
Trump is about to implement Project 2025, which will make the rich people in the USA so goddamn wealthy it will make your head spin. The middle class will be gone and all that money transferred up. Why would they not want Trump?
Trump is about to implement Project 2025, which will make the rich people in the USA so goddamn wealthy it will make your head spin.
Billionares are so rich already that trying to visualize their wealth will indeed make your head spin. The middle class died decades ago. They may not want Trump because the majority of people already live in poverty and they are just waiting to turn into an angry mob
Wtf are you talking about
Presidents aren’t appointed by the US Government.
George Dubya Bush and Trump were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
They are.
The government spend billions on propaganda and all the most popular media are private owned. They are able to spin the narrative and manipulate public opinion as much as they want.
It arguably could have been worse if they’d killed him. Opening space for someone just as vile but actually intelligent, who could easily just roll through to president on the back of “Saint Trumpf the Martyr”…
After hearing the fireworks going off in my Maga-heavy area last night, I’m really not sure that the gunman missing was the better outcome. Trump has a special following in the republican party that gathers followers from those outside the party that wouldn’t ordinarily vote.
The problem with this line of thinking is that the GOP doesn’t have anyone else. They’re a cult of personality for Trump and only Trump. We saw all the alternatives get paraded around in the GOP “primary,” none of them are anywhere close to taking the reins. There’s a very good chance that without Trump, the cult begins to fall apart.
Naw they’d start eating each other for the chance to be the nominee
Who? Who would be capable of gathering the trump support and getting enough votes? Part of the right wing powerful 1 guy thingy is this: 1 guy. Take the guy away, and you have no idea what would happen and if someone else would manage to keep the gathered power going and maybe gather even more. Would be very different if trump were president when it happened, then the power is formalised and the takeover by another supervillain easier, but during campaign that would be quite the feat and I’m really wondering who would have been capable of it.
I agree with your take. The power vacuum would be incredible. In my country, I’ve seen a political party completely collapse from infighting after its charismatic leader was assassinated.
Yeah, one of the redeeming qualities of Trump is that he’s incredibly stupid, and refuses to let advisors correct him. Makes him super ineffective. They had control of white house and both chambers and they did just limited damage.
I do concur. I am astounded at the incompetence of the ones pulling the strings of the Republican party. Sure they got some Supreme Court justices in place, but man, they really, really messed up in 2020 letting the Democrats gain control of the Whitehouse. All they had to do was strong arm Trump into making the COVID stuff a patriotic war against an invisible virus, and he would have sweeped the election. Nope they shortsightedly let him retard it up, thinking it would kill more people in cities, ie Democratic voters. Lulz
He could have even taken credit for the vaccine and call it the Maga vaccine or something, but no, it’s better to promote horse paste. Alas.
As someone outside of the US, I would say that the fallout to other countries is substantial. Not due to policies, but rather rhetoric.
Where I live, neo-nazis used to hide-- but now all the bigots, emboldened by Trump, are organizing. The right-wing opposition party leader walks among them and isn’t immediately shunned/removed. This is echoed around the globe.
It’s hard to say if Trump is the cause or the effect of that sentiment…
Both. Real life is complicated.
That depends on if the person in question is has the same sort of charisma.
Why does trump have secret service if he is not the president? Sorry dumb canadian moment
Not only do all former presidents get a detail, all frontrunners with a credible shot at winning get secret service protection. I’m not sure what the exact requirements for that are, but Trump would almost certainly meet them.
When the nomination becomes official, they get a secret service detail.
The Secret Service protects not just the president, but their family, major runners for the race, and their families. Due to the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968, the Secret Service was made to protect all major runners for the presidency, as his assassination could have been stopped if he had more protection than the event’s guards.
That’s actually really cool, surprised I didn’t know this
I reckon this will come to Canada soon too. Trudeau used to go to metro stations and just say good morning to people on their way to work after he won first term. He doesn’t do this anymore for obvious reasons
US presidents get SS protections for life after their term is over
I understand that the abbreviation is understood different in the US, but SS is understood as the Schutzstaffel founded as a paramilitary arm of Hitlers NSDAP later to become among the worst criminals in WWII and the Holocaust.
We’ll all understand it as schutzstaffel soon enough, I guess
Well, if Trump wins he’ll eventually get original SS to cover his ass…
or Neo-SS :-p
All former presidents get secret service until they die.
Thx
This photo looks like propaganda from a fabricated event, not a real candid from an actual attempt on a political figurehead’s life.
Why is the flag upside down?
Why is it perfectly in frame to fill the space that would otherwise be blank sky?
Why was Trump allowed by his security detail to stand back up?
It’s all extremely suspicious and screams “preplanned” to me
It’s not upside down, that’s just the angle. It’s just hanging vertically. Even if it were hanging upside down, though, that wouldn’t be unusual for this lot. A lot of Maga fucks fly it that way around here, almost as a way of saying how fucked they see this country. It plays into their victim complex.
I remember when you’d go check on someone if you saw their flag flying upside-down. These idiots have turned it into a political statement instead.
You see, it’s that sort of conspiracy bullshit that will erode everything.
Could it be the work of a professional photographer bringing their A game? No, it must be staged.
Why are all these random things like that? It must be “preplanned” …or… Maybe you would have found similar things in any photograph from a political rally.
Thing is, you sound like a classic MAGA when you say daft stuff.
Why is it perfectly in frame to fill the space that would otherwise be blank sky?
It could have been cropped.
In the photo he is standing in the same spot as he was when he was speaking. So it would make sense that an astute photographer would have already lined up this shot on a tripod from when he was speaking. That’s what I would have done
I understand why Trump would be in frame, but not why the flag would be in the same spot AND upside-down.
If the flagpole fell in the confusion, that could explain it being upside-down but not in frame.
If the flag were already there, that would explain it being in frame but not upside-down.
It all seems too coincidental.
this reads like conspiratorial thinking tbh. Its easy to grab at the idea that this is somehow Trump’s doing, but things like this do sometimes happen
I so desperately want it to be revealed to be a conspiracy because it would further discredit Trump. But I know it isn’t, which is so utterly terrifying for our democracy.
I think the better answer is: it’s currently unknown.
Not upside down, when hung vertically that is the correct way. There’s A LOT of frankly unnecessary ‘rules’.
It’s not upside down, but I agree that it sure looks planned. Somehow every fucking situation that could sink trump always happens to help him.
It was taken by Pulitzer prize winner photographer Evan Vucci
The man better win another Pulitzer. This photo will have a substantial effect on the world.
I hate Trump but this photo is historic. They’re saying it’s like the Iwo Jima photo.
Except trump is a criminal rapist surrounded by the best security in the world, not a soldier fighting a battle on a hillside. Lets not glorify him.
You’re absolutely right, but that unfortunately doesn’t matter for almost half of America considering how many people still keep lapping him up.
No, it isn’t, the Iwo Jima photo is staged.
(Seriously, not really staged, but it’s actually the second flag. Interesting story btw.)
How could a Pulitzer prize winning photographer manage to take a very good photo? Surely it must be staged. I bet Trump paid that guy the secret service killed to shoot him and kill an attendee!
/s just in case. I’m not sure everyone here would catch the sarcasm in this comment
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The flag is likely quite comically large (as in a hundred or more feet long), decently far away, and is being ‘hung’ by basically small construction cranes, which are holding it such that if there was no wind, it would be hanging vertically.
There is significant wind, so its going with the direction.
Zoom in on the connector point and you can see basically a jerry rigged, oversized winch. Theres a similar winch at the other point on the right side of the image, and the crane is presumably out of frame.
Its perfectly in frame because some photographers are quite good at their jobs.
Trump was allowed to stand up because he could, under his own power, and the shooter had already been declared down at that point.
Eh, I don’t think you can take a shot at a Trump really that doesn’t have an American flag somewhere on it.
If you watch the video you can see how it all fits together. It’s just a very good photographer doing their job.
I agree. I don’t actually think it’s staged having seen the footage for myself and reading statements made by the secret service. My other comments are my first reactions to seeing this image
It’s just a good photo.
I agree. It’s an incredible photo and the details that I didn’t know when making the parent comment all support that it’s real.
I feel like it’s at least possible that this will work like that trick of if you can’t decide between two things, toss a coin and call it and then notice how you feel. Like a coin was tossed here and maybe some of these dead inside non-voters will feel something, maybe an anxiety, the absence of relief, wistful. You can act on that. It’s not too late.
This is gonna make him a fucking martyr.
I get what you mean but Martyrs defining factor is that they’re dead.
The republicans aren’t big on reals, having a living martyr will suit their narrative just fine.
it’s not a conversation about “reals”, he’s making a comment about the English language and how that word means something else. He’s their living prophet or saint. That’s word to use in its place. No-one is questioning their narrative.
Are there people out there that were actually on the fence about Trump? Seems like the only thing that was going to determine this race is if liberal voters would go to the polls or not. Trump voters seemed to already be fully decided.
I don’t see how this event could change things for Trump.
It might be more about energising the base to turn out rather than swaying the undecided voters at this point.
Even still, Trump already had the most energized base there is. Like taking a flamethrower to an active volcano eruption.
For every energised Trump supporter you see, there’s 1000 more sitting at home nodding along to their Fox broadcast. Same for any political party… The vast vast vast majority of us aren’t motivated enough to leave our homes for politics outside of election day.
No, it’s not the same for any political party. There is a huge and infamous bias. Conservative voters VOTE. There is a 30% base that always votes, and always votes conservative. That makes up MOST conservative voters, the difference is mainly swing voters.
This is why voter turnout so so important for progressive candidates, and why voter disenfranchisement and generally muddying the waters is such an effective strategy for conservatives. Nothing that happens ever affects their base, but if the rest of the voters don’t turn out, then conservatives win. When there are large turnouts, conservatives get CRUSHED every time.
It’s not the same for any political party.
He’s also disillusioned a lot of who should be his base by being who he is.
Ironic but here in 2024 we’re going to be hoping for the
silent majorityon the right to stay home.
It might not even be about voting anymore at this point. Their god-king was almost assassinated. This will 100% mobilize certain people to do certain things.
Shit maybe they postpone the election. I don’t even know if that would be a good thing or bad thing at this point.
Trump can’t postpone the election. He’s not president.
I didn’t say Trump would postpone the election, did I?
A lot can happen between now and November. Given how things have been going, lots of things we have no way of predicting at this point. If political violence escalates far enough, I could see there being some kind of State of Emergency declared or some shit.
The is going to be their Reichstag moment.
An election has never been postponed and never will be for the snowflakes
“Proof of violent left” may sway some voters. Ofc they won’t care that the shooter was a Republican and they won’t know about Project 2025.
Was any information released on the shooter?
Yes. A huge amount.
Crooks’ political leanings were not immediately clear. Records show Crooks was registered as a Republican voter in Pennsylvania, but federal campaign finance reports also show he gave $15 to a progressive political action committee on Jan. 20, 2021, the day President Joe Biden was sworn into office.
He was also wearing a “Demolition Ranch” t-shirt … which take from that what you will.
It’s not that they don’t know about Project 2025, they just don’t care about it. I’ve seen so-called “centrists” straight-up claiming that Project 2025 isn’t real just because Trump disavowed it… ignoring the fact that he had to since it was actually hurting his poll numbers. (The people who wrote P2025 are core members of Trump’s campaign staff. How naive do you have to be to see that and still think a politician wouldn’t lie?)
I’ve had people say Project 2025 “Is just an exaggeration”, because the “Legislative and Judicial branches won’t allow it”
Ignoring that the Supreme Court literally does whatever Trump wants…
Fucking hell, seriously… pardon the invocation of Godwin’s Law, but people used the same “Legislative and Judicial branches won’t allow it” excuse to claim that Hitler winning the elections in Germany wouldn’t be that bad and we all know how it ended up.
The amount of people burying their heads in the sand regarding Project 2025 is infuriatingly high and I hate it.
People accusing me of fear mongering when I point to a blatantly obvious problem… what else is new sigh
Oh, no no, I wasn’t accusing you of fearmongering, I was actually agreeing with you! Sorry for coming off the wrong way, I didn’t mean my post to come off as accusatory. :/
Oh no, I’m just letting you know what happens when I tell people about 25
When you have an FPTP voting system, many people don’t vote for, they vote against. Plenty will see Biden calling Zelensky a Putin, then this and… Good luck, Americans!
Hmm still not convinced. Got anything else?
People voting against their own interests is going to be the end of this country. People need to get off their asses, think about themselves for once and recognize that Trump wants to take away freedoms and give nothing back.
40% of the country want a dictator and will move mountains to get one. That means the other 60% best interest is already set in stone, without even looking at policies or the candidate. Just vote Democrat and what happened yesterday will not matter in the slightest.
Man, people on lemmy need to look outside of their own bubbles a little more. There’s more than just those in my camp and those against my camp.
There are uninformed voters who genuinely do not pay as much attention to politics as those of us on this platform do. Uninformed voters exist and they are influenced by the big headlines like this.
This is why other factors regarding a candidate such as whether or not they are likeable matter. It’s not for me. It’s not for you or any other hardline party entrenched voter. It’s for them, the ones who barely pay attention.
I get that, but people are acting like this is a guaranteed win for Trump just because he was shot at and can claim that he’s a martyr. I just don’t think there’s enough undecided voters that will swing the election for Trump this easily.
The scariest thing is not that there are people who would vote for trump, but the amount of people that can’t imagine why someone would vote or think different than them. The level of “same as me” bias is really scary.
What I am wondering is among that uninformed voter base are there people who think “hmm, maybe I won’t vote for the guy that somebody just tried to kill.”
it’s not (just) about convincing people to vote for Trump.
it’s about convincing people to actually vote.
if voting were compulsory, then no, it wouldn’t really matter. But it isn’t. So people who would vote for Trump, but wouldn’t bother to leave the house might be bothered to leave and vote for the convicted criminal rapist now.
This is the nugget of truth in this sea of tinfoil hats. This won’t change anyone’s decision, because it’s not intellectual. It will convince people to go out and vote, because notlw they’ll feel they have to. After all, is it such a big ask to go out and vote for your god-king, after he literally took a bullet for you?
I see how this could have helped his campaign. And it sucks.
Proof again that the press is just there to stir the shit and get views, who cares what happens to the country.
The big press like CNN and Fox are all for Trump. He generated so many clicks for them, massive amount of income from advertisers. With Biden the government got back to doing what it does and is boring.
Why do you think CNN allowed Trump to lie constantly during that debate? It’s a fucking joke.
The real thing to report on is how while (aparently, because initial reports said no crowd deaths, then Fox reported a crowd death, and now everyone is reporting a crowd death), noone ran. They just kinda mulled around, then started chanting “USA. USA. USA.”
Behold gentlemen. Fascism manifest.
Go ahead and explain how literally anything you described here was fascism manifest
An Idolitized leader takes a flesh wound from a sniper rifle, and less than 10 seconds later his followers do the nationalist chant.
Sounds like textbook fascism to me.
Well said!
Maybe it’ll help us all if you can tell us what exactly you think “fascism” means.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Laurence_W._Britt
America was 13 of 14 on one side and 14 of 14 on the other side.
Now they’re tied.
2 party system is really working for US citizens. huh?
So nothing, then?
I’ve seen the crowd member shot and they were working on him. It’s on Twitter. He didn’t make it
Nice pic dude.
My point was the whole being desensitized to gunfire and someone being shot right in front of you, and responding to not only a public shooting, but an assassination attempt with “USA! USA! USA!” like they were at fucking Medieval Times eating a chicken with their bare hands and drinking diet coke and the green knight just took a flail to the bread basket.
I have learned when to hesitate before I ingest media, and I’m still assessing the situation.
For either eventuality, we (Americans) are all so screwed, and the rest of the world is on notice.
Someone hollered “shooter down”, then Trump got up from under the pile of secret service agents. Under those circumstances it doesn’t seem that strange for the crowd to be a little pumped up. But yes, these situations usually take a few days to settle and for the facts to come out. Rumor mills and conspiracy theory engines are going to be in overdrive meanwhile.
On top of the other comment, they’re stadium style bleachers. They are not easily evacuated.
