This comment was in a post about a guy who openly spilled secrets then got fired.
https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/comments/1dynric/rip_to_the_augusta_ama_guy_yesterday_who_was_not/
PUBLIC SHAMING WORKS ON BULLIES
In Japan, we have to be careful because a company could sue for reputational damage (even if the claims are 100% true and provable). Same for some other examples like posting a pic of someone with his mistress or basically anything with their face.
Wow I see the Shogunate is still alive and well. Sounds like it’s still feudalism over there… And all the kids love Japan and want to live there… Propaganda is a hell of a drug!
Perhaps it’s bad to judge an entire country on a single, fairly minor shitty law.
I would not call anything about a law designed solely to prosecute whistleblowers “fairly minor”
That’s not actually what it’s designed to do and whistle-blowing has a process that isn’t “run directly to the press”.
A fairly minor and shitty law that influences all public speech about other people
Not all, but definitely some, yes. And no, I don’t agree with it or like it.
Yeah, Japanese the press also is pretty beholden to government whims as well.
I think that combines another issue here (or two, one being cultural rather than legal, but that’s a whole other can o’ worms). Papers will report on certain things, but I don’t know where the line in. Some tabloids will report all kinds of shit and eat the cost of any judgement if it happens.
I don’t think lemmy could withstand the onslaught of popularity that came with giving out “reddit hugs” to domains, and with lack of moderation the toxicity levels could easily soar. so just be careful what we wish for or the communities will become the things we hate.
Can we do that here? It’d be cool
We do. Ive already seen some comments that really feels like I’m seeing some confidential information.
Fortunately (maybe unfortunately), Lemmy seems to still be at the stage where there not a lot of amplification of those comments.
It was a Wild West but I’m not sure the Lemmy community would have liked it much - there was a lot of content in the “offensive to everyone” category and people generally didn’t mind as long as it was contained in its own subreddits. That doesn’t seem to be the attitude of “kids these days”.
Was in a couple of those offensive subs.
Opieandandthony Cumtown
Those subs had some hilariously talented shitposters.
Not to mention that one time they made a woman a CEO just to ban the fat people hate sub because it was making the whole site look bad and then fired her to pin the decision on her just being a bitch feminist
Bruh the Ellen Pao hate was fucking insane. People like to pretend that Reddit got worse post-Trump or gamergate, but lbr the deplorable behaviour was always there, it just wasn’t “political” yet.
remember when space dicks would get front page. or imgoingtohellforthis
RIP I_RAPE_CATS :c
I agree, people on the internet sometimes come across as selfish. The problem is that it always is about if they like it or not and only care about their morals.
However, it might be different for lemmy.
However, it might be different for lemmy.
Spoiler Alert: It’s not. The same people who want to silence anyone they disagree with are here as well. As Lemmy, really the Fediverse, continues to grow the purity tests and censorship will grow proportionally.
The big Lemmy instances are constantly inundated with posts to defederate from unscrupulous instances, which to me seems like a stronger version of siloing off content than what early reddit was like.
Lemmy has recreated forums with additional steps is how I put it. Nothing to do with the tech but fragmentation. My front page is just 10 or so different posts reposted in some form or another 5 servers each with their own version of the sub.
Seems to me it’s almost entirely aligned with ideology for most folks, which…idk is kinda a feature?
Most of the calls I’ve seen to defederate haven’t been because of an instance’s content, but rather because of an instance’s users being the problem.
E.g. hexbear getting the boot during the period where some of its users thought it was hilarious to brigade other instances and spam giant emojis of a well endowed pig shitting on itself.
Reddit wasn’t mainstream then. Comments could go unnoticed for months.
Facts, the worst thing for reddit was the pandemic, it turned it into permanent summer-reddit, and it started being talked any in movies and shows. Now it’s awful
I’ve been on reddit since the fall of digg. It was a wild time that’s for sure.
I remember when they had reddit meetups. I stupidly brought my toddler thinking it was going to be family friendly. The places they hosted were peoples workplaces. One guy rented a limo. Beer was given away for free. Some women walked around shirtless and one creep was taking videos. Feeling unsafe, I left. Then I got a email about how the hosts were looking for the creep because he may have committed a crime, and was asking for money to pay for the broken office equipment.
Wild time.
Same. It was a really fun unique place for a long time.
I’ve been on Reddit for 15 years and haven’t really noticed any shift for the most part. The only thing I find unbearable is the amount of bots and karma whoring reposting that goes on. The culture I feel is the same.
I’ve been on Reddit for 15 years and haven’t really noticed any shift for the most part.
That simply isn’t possible. Reddit changed dramatically since the Digg V4 exodus. The site itself has been constantly updated and redesigned / re-engineered adding and removing tons of functionality at least three times. The politics have literally swung all over the place from “tech-bro libertarian” to “conservative” to “progressive”. Content has changed radically in both scope and focus (AMAs are out while corporate run subreddits are in) and leadership has been all over the place.
Politics themselves have changed a lot over the past 15 years - I’m not sure if that has anything to do with the sub. Hell, even I changed from Republican to Democrat in that time frame.
I still use old.reddit and it’s pretty much been the exact same except for a few ads that RES takes care of anyway.
Definitely agree with the AMAs. That’s not going to change no matter the platform however and not exclusive to Reddit.
I still use old.reddit and it’s pretty much been the exact same
15 years ago there was no karma system. 15 years ago there was no Reddit rewards like Gold. Neither of those two things are related to old.reddit.com but they both had major impacts on the website but yeah, sure, “Nothing has changed in 15 years.”.
Karma has been on Reddit since I created my account. In fact, it’s been part of Reddit almost from the very start. How did you come by your information?
As for Reddit gold, it was introduced in 2010. But what relevance does gold have to content? It seems pointless and neither adds nor detracts from the anything other than people’s bank accounts.
How did you come by your information?
I should have specified Comment Karma. You’re correct that Post Karma has existed from Day 1.
Bringing in Comment Karma had a downside, it fed the trolls. You can see in this post here, from about 9 years ago, when Reddit had finally had enough of negative karma trolls (people trying to get the lowest comment karma possible) and stopped tallying it after a certain point.
Things sometimes get a bit blurry for me after all these years. I’d been on there so long I remember when Reddit added the ability for users to create sub-reddits!
But what relevance does gold have to content?
Reddit Rewards, like Gold, provided a visibility boost to both Posts and Comments. The_Donald famously abused this to keep the Reddit front page full of MAGA content. It eventually got so bad that Reddit Inc had to introduce emergency FP content filtering, something they’d resisted doing for years, while they rejiggered the algorithm in order to stop it. It was subsequently abused on comments all over reddit to keep something visible that otherwise would have been auto-collapsed due to downvotes. It was famously abused again because it was possible to send messages to someone, even someone who had blocked you, if you sent them a Reddit Reward.
Speaking of changes there’s another one. User blocking. Reddit didn’t have that 15 years ago either.
Reddit was a long and wild ride and a lot of things changed after I showed up in April of 2008.
God, remember Ron Paul? Those were the good ol days
That’s wild. I’ve only been there 5.5 yrs and I’ve noticed dramatic shifts in the culture as it’s become popular and profit focused
Same, I was on it for more than a decade. There’s definitely been dramatic shifts. Dunno what small community that other poster stuck to to not see any changes over a decade and a half, but it must have been fun for them.
This is the other poster
I used to on for about 10 and noticed a dramatic shift but on the other hand for years I was only looking at gaming subs then started looking at the more common ones. So that could possibly be part of it but it still seemed to get worse over time to me.
The comments alone were a huge shift.
I unsubscribed to all the gaming subs around gamergate, holy shit everything went downhill so quickly and never really recovered. We’re seeing the effects of it to this day.
I refused to participate in gaming communities online for a long time after that, only looked at my RSS feeds for news/official announcements. The migration to Lemmy last year has me participating in them a bit more again, as long as I don’t tell anyone I’m playing a Nintendo game, lol.
Gamergate??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign)
Literally the event that accelerated the bullshit “Woke Video Games” pushback we see mouth breathers spewing in gaming spaces today. I believe this is what spawned r/KotakuInAction and the whole “It’s About Ethics™️ in Gaming Journalism” as well, but someone correct me if I’m wrong.
These exact talking points and methods were then taken up by the alt-right to propel the culture war into the mainstream, and welcome to 2024.
14 and change, it definitely had multiple, noticeable shifts.
And if you didn’t notice, you probably only stuck to a handful of communities, because they changed how the front page works several times, and what communities are default. All of those changed the feel by a lot.
Each change may not have affected each sub equally hard, default subs turned to shit, subs that got turned off of default finally got the reality check they needed, and when they started banning entire subs, there were noticeably less shitty people from time to time as they pruned.
Again, if you stuck to smaller subs, or even mid sized ones but didn’t interact a ton, or just didn’t log on every day, I could see how you may not have noticed.
They definitely ramped up moderation, and the administration got a lot more heavy-handed over the last few years, clearly (in hindsight) in preparation for the big change last year.
I was never part of any of those controversial subs like fat people hate or watch people die.
I never went to /all/ either.
Just stuck to regular subs like news, fitness, some niche hobbies etc. If anything, the niche hobby subs got better since there was more people. Fitness did get overly moderated but I just moved to fitness over 30 sub instead and it was fine.
Some of the bigger subs became shit shows, but they were kind of like since their inception.
Firing Victoria was annoying since I think she did good AMA. Getting rid of third party apps is the biggest shittiest thing that I experienced which is why I came to Lemmy in the first place.
Idk man, there were real communities where folks knew each other back then. There’s very little of that anymore because moderating those subs is a thankless full time job and the rest got massive. /r/CripplingAlcoholism is a good example - back around 2010 it was a close-knit group of drunks, by 2018 or so it was just a swamp.
/r/CenturyClub and the related subs were some of the best places on the internet back ~15 years ago. I deleted my old account that was in it ages ago and haven’t bothered rejoining since I passed the threshold, but even what, 8 years ago when I did that it was already way different.
Game subreddits went way downhill, too.
The overall quality of the site is much worse than it used to be.
I remember when I could post to the firefly sub and banter with the same 20 or so people every week, then one day something hit the front page and a flood of people came in.
Everything turned from thought provoking discussions about what little lore we did have and overanalysing every episode, to “this is what the actors do now” and “here’s an image with a quote from the show” maybe an art post of original content here and there.
Reddit wouldn’t censor those names. People are self censoring on the big subreddits
There is currently a tiny bit of uproar over at r/irelandshittydrivers. A user took a photo of a work van that blocked two disabled spots. He sent the photo via Whatsapp to the company, which responded in a batshit crazy manner (for some reason, escalated it to praising Osama for 9/11). Naturally, the user posted the photo and the conversation to Reddit. Within a few hours, the company contacted Reddit and had the post removed. If a company with perhaps three customers per week can do it, what do you think large companies can do? Censoring user posts would be only the tip of the iceberg.
Did the company DMCA it? Or did the mods remove it? I can’t find anything on this.
Form yor own opinion. This is the original thread. A follow-up thread claimed that it was removed by Reddit admins because the picture of the van showed the company name and phone number. That thread included the fan with blacked-out identifiers and was allowed to stay up until users didn’t start identifying the company in the comments.
Sketchy
“couple/several”
People severely overestimate the lawlessness of the west. Only reason anyone even has that picture of it is because westerners realized it was an easy way to cheat folks who have never been west of the Mississippi out of their money in exchange for wild tales and performances about the cRaZy life of Arizona
They’re talking about Swansea you plonker
I just got a warning and [removed by reddit] because I told a dry cut story about turkish coworkers of mine harassing women and queer people and talking about stuff like “buying wifes” from their home country as an answer to someone posting a similar story. I got warned for “promoting hate and violence against marginalized groups”. I made no generelizations, promoted no violence or hate. I actually got upset because of my coworkers doing exactly that. This is not the internet as I know it. Where you get censored because you talked about something that happened in your life.
Because there is no discernable difference between you telling an honest story about your Turkish coworkers and a racist using online anonymity to rile people up against minorities.
I think that should be decided by the readers of the comment not by reddit. Unless I actually incite hate or violence. Or maybe if I had a history of leaving comments like that. But it was the first time I talked about it. Or if my account was new or a bot. I don’t like to assume the worst about people just because they criticise something adjacent to a controversial topic. That’s how problems get swept under the rug and never solved.
Except if you leave it solely to the readers of the comment, the communications platform is still flooded by racists and bigots of all stripes. Sure, a lot of their comments are downvoted, but by giving them a platform you’re giving them a way to degrade the quality of the platform they’re on, drive away reasonable users and eventually take over and shit up the place unrestricted. Just like the nazi bar story.
Downvotes are nowhere near as effective as moderation when it comes to keeping hate off of a platform. Sorry if you posted something in good faith and moderation censored you, but that doesn’t make moderation as a concept wrong.
(Also, I kind of agree with you that there should be more signals available to moderators than just “does this comment mention race negatively”. However, I’m not sure you want reddit scoring what kind of person you are and attaching that score to every moderation action.)
I don’t think Moderation as a concept is wrong. I also filed an appeal, so i’ll see what they say after taking a closer look. But I sense a huge problem of people not being able to understand any nuances in this topic. So they just leave the whole thing for the extreme right as their talking point.
The nazi bar story is retarded. To buy into it is to forfeit all your advantages against the obnoxious minority, such as being vastly greater in number, and being able to exercise critical thinking abilities. The nazi doesn’t drive anyone away, people make the choice to do so themselves, when in fact they should challenge and confront at every opportunity. All the idea does is empower bad actors and agents provocateur and deny the agency of individuals. To borrow from Nicholas Taleb: it’s a very fragile concept.
Yes and FURTHERMORE, POE’S LAW EXISTS
and it’s NOT actually “just” about parody - it’s all too often impossible to tell honest anecdote apart from ideological rhetoric.
How would you solve problems pertaining to immigration when you can’t talk about experiences. There is actually a large problem of parallel societies in germany that has been rampant for decades because no one wants to talk about it. I mean like people doing what I talked about in my comments or not learning the countrys language in decades and having no contact to native germans. I my comment I was actually talking about people who were born here and their familys lived here for generations. In western europe in general it’s driving people to the extreme right, because no one dares talk about it in a normal and legitimate way. Censorship only makes these problems worse. There needs to be a way to talk about this topic with some nuance, not just blatant hate rhetoric.
Poe’s law doesn’t mean ban anything that’s edging a bit close to what you think it is. It’s like arresting people for a crime they didn’t commit but because they act suspiciously according to the eye of the authority.
Thank you for being reasonable and understanding how life isn’t black and white.
gets banned for using black and white
Well not if you strip it from all context and the nuance of OPs specific word choice.
Because I could tell a story about my Turkish co-worker that ends like:
“my co-worker of specific race is doing dodgy shit and it’s so harmful for the whole community that he’s doing this, especially with how much anti-ethnic group hate is going around, he’s giving everyone a bad name and I’m worried his behaviour as an individual aashole who happens to be race is going to start a spree of hate crimes against others who aren’t doing anything wrong, because most people aren’t, my co-worker is”
And I would argue that this story is fundamentally different from just leaving it as “my Turkish co-worker is doing dodgy stuff”.
As a Turkish person, ooph. Sorry you had to deal with that.
We’ve got some nice coming from Turkey, but also a bunch of shit heels. These days the latter outnumber the former, sadly.
One of the nicest people I know is Turkish. We’ve never met in person, but we’ve been online friends for over 20 years. I wish people who stereotyped Turks when people act like this knew him.
These days the latter outnumber the former, sadly.
It feels like that lately no matter where you happen to live.
Every country has some shit people. It’s inevitable. Just gotta hope us good ones make it better.
It’s been like that ever since China/Tencent invested. I noticed soon after that investment there was a huge degradation in freedom of speech on the platform.
I remember when it was a teeming swamp of T_D memers. Afaik it is again.
It was like that
Yeah just like in the Wild West, we used to all die of dysentery.
Poor Stacy never saw it coming.
no but I hear her Mom had it going on
I think that I started using Reddit around 2014~5 or so. For me the cultural shift shows two things:
- Any online community financed by adbux will eventually prioritise advertisers over its own participants.
- Unless you have tools ensuring transparency of the process, people with power over the others’ speech will misuse it to defend their individual interests, instead of the community’s.
