Go away Hillary.
How did she hurt you?
She gave us 4 years of Donald Trump.
You say it was an easy win, but HC was once one of the top 3 most popular politicians in America and at the same time I’ve never seen people so enthusiastically support a candidate like so many support Donald Trump. They put flags on trucks and formed convoys to harass democrat campaign busses.
It’s easy to support a lie that’s convinced you it can give you everything THEY have been keeping from you.
I don’t know about top 3 popular, in the SE Hillary is probably one of the top 3 most hated politicians and land area wins elections here unfortunately.
A Quinipiac University Poll in 2013 found her to be the most popular with 64% approval, but that was being very generous imo.
Hillary? Popular? Did you just pop into this timeline from another reality?
"What does that mean? Infamous?
- In-famous is when you’re more than famous." …from “Three Amigos”
Yes, the reality that existed before 2016. It was extremely different from now.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
She was far from popular, in 2016. How old were you 2016? Because research may not be painting you a good picture.
And if you were an adult, perhaps you were isolated? I don’t know the explanation. But you are quite wrong. She has never been popular with the majority.
Lmao she won the presidential primaries against Bernie Sanders. You’re the one living in a bubble.
“Won”
Correct
Hillary Clinton has never lost a popular election.
Our electoral system is rigged so that conservatives win by default - unless there’s a massive preference for the progressive candidate, and all those excited voters live in the right places. Otherwise liberals fucking love to find reasons not to vote.
It’s weird, the insane and regressive tend to be patriotic while the progressive tend to wait until their perfect candidate appear. This is true for my country as well, the people and the government are becoming more and more conservative because the progressive one being unreasonably perfectionist, they only vote to defeat the bad guy of the day.
Progressives have had to swallow centrist candidates for decades. It isn’t waiting for a perfect candidate: it is having any progressive candidate face the collective ire of their own corporate backed party.
Like this is about to be the fourth presidential ticket in five cycles containing the name Joe Biden.
How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?
Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.
How many time does it take to not be her fault and finally fall on the electorate?
It takes a village when? How long after the baby is born?
You mean the electorate that was voting for Bernie en masse but Wasserman-Schulz and the big donors didn’t want that so they threw the rest of the primaries to go Hillarys way? The electorate that was disenfranchised by their own party?
Oh holy Jesus yes keep saying it as all stolen from you. The primaries are rigged, the election was stolen!
You are a pawn! Being used for adrenochrome!
Bernie was fucked by the establishment stranglehold over mainstream media, inherent flaws in the primary system, and some truly underhanded tactics. There has been no good evidence of any kind of tampering with the votes.
Bernie has always been a pragmatist. The progressive movement has nothing to gain by him obsessing over sour grapes. Contrast that with Hillary who will live the rest of her life locked into the day she lost.
Compare your comment to sour grapes….
“Bernie” is a role you like to play. Bernie isn’t a person he’s your grievance.
I was explaining why Bernie moved on. I’d love to move on but it seems like every few months Hillary pops up in the media with another sneer.
Anyways, given where all the establishment fuckery of the past 50 years has led us at this particular moment, I feel like a little anger is justified, no?
Does Bernie hold that same anger? Has he moved on or have you not?
Casual victim blaming Hilary, ignoring the massive propaganda campaign against her, sponsored by a foreign government.
How very American of you.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Did trump and the Republicans prevent her from campaigning in swing states and heavily campaigning in democratic strongholds?
Hillary absolutely deserves blame for how her candidacy fucked the dog so hard she lost to Donald trump. She doesn’t deserve all the blame for her loss by any stretch, but she does not need to be sanctified as a martyr of some kind.
I didn’t blame Hillary. Hillary did her best. I blame the Democratic organization who decided to run Hillary. They could have run Bernie. They could have run somebody who had more charisma.
The average voter is retarded. They need to see strength and charisma.
Spoiler: Both are Right Wing parties, so they represent the establishment, not the people or progressive ideals.
We need Ranked Choice Voting so we can vote our conscience and ideals and stop being forced into a lose-lose situation every election.
I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.
She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.
She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.
Tbh, the people who voted for Trump deserve at least some of the blame. I really do not like this idea that either campaign waved or failed to wave some magic wand to remove the individual agency of voters. The decision to vote for Trump was colossally idiotic, and very easy to not make.
running a bad candidate on the basis of them not being Trump appears to be the Democrat strategy for as long as Trump continues breathing.
I think all the people saying they are voting for her because she is a women and everyone should vote for her or you are a sexist didn’t help.
She just seemed so unlikable and entitled.
Between a twenty year character assassination campaign by conservatives, her terrible personality, and not campaigning in places where it fucking mattered she fucking lost it.
Sure, a twenty year character assassination campain against her created the Bimbo Squad that … character assassinated, intimidated, harassed and blamed Bill’s victims. Republican conspiracy!
No. But “anyone Killary doesn’t like commits suicide bytwo bullets in the back of their head and locks themselves in a suitcase” definitely was. I’m not claiming the shit you said never happened. I also don’t think it stopped a lot of politicians from getting elected. Sure as fuck didn’t stop Bill. The dude she was up against has about the same level of shitbaggery. Didn’t stop him.
Are you such a rabid dog that when you see that last name you lose your shit? Because we’re having a nuanced discussion here. If you can’t comport yourself like an adult please go back to the kids’ table.
Idk maybe. If conservative media didn’t villainize her and all Democrats for decades with their propaganda, there wouldn’t be a massive influx of brainwashed idiots running around voting against their interests and inviting the dumbest and worst person imaginable to become a dictator of the United States all while wearing American flags.
She did plenty to come off as unlikable and out of touch all on her own. I didn’t vote for Trump but anyone that thought she was a good candidate was delusional.
“Get over yourself”
Fuck off Hillary
Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn’t a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.
Worst of all, they acted like trump was a real candidate, and handed him the unlimited exposure he needed to build a cult.
That’s not true. You don’t need any media exposure at all to build a cult. Cults are small. No, they gave him the media exposure he needed to build a religion. A big one. Much more dangerous.
Didn’t she say something like “can’t we just drone him” in reference to assange?
To be fair, Assange is an annoying cunt who I’d probably drone strike if I could. But I’m just trigger happy these days, so it’s a good thing I don’t have any sort of power.
To sum things up, First, the US should never have gone after him. That was one of many, many wrongs committed by the US.
But The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
Assange is a rapist. Got to keep that one in mind here. The cases themselves were dropped, but some of the women have said they would still press charges if it were an option. But statute of limitations is in effect.
Another wrong he committed, he released full social security numbers as part of his leaks, multiple times.
As part of not redacting sensitive info, he got multiple Iraqi and Afghani civilians killed, because their names were in the documents he released.
And he was a shitty boss, and a shitty pet owner.
Other things, Assange has been on Russia’s payroll for a while. Wikileaks has never once released anything that makes Putin look bad. They did not host the Panama Papers, and Assange called them an anti-Putin, CIA fabrication.
Now, I’m not saying that the CIA wouldn’t do that. But I will say that I don’t think any three letter agency in the world is competent enough to do so without getting caught at it.
And finally he gave us the Trump presidency.
No, fuck that guy. Probably doesn’t deserve anything more than the prison time he served, but it did deserve prison, especially for the rapes.
If you want actual responsible journalism and document leaks, check out these guys.
She also questioned why we would let Palestine have an election without first determining who the winner would be…
Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
Hillary is/was a terrible candidate and person.
But she’s always claimed the only reason anyone wouldn’t like her is because of conservative propaganda.
She did a lot to get us to the current point where anything except 100% loyalty to the party leads to someone being accused of being a Republican.
Same road republicans went down.
And our standards for Dem candidates has nosedived just like Republicans did. They just have a head start
I mean… I voted for her… I tried to convince others. I’m cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC…
She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn’t bounce back with wall st, yet “took a risk on a black guy” and got burned by “intellectual corporate Democrats”
She never set foot in states she didn’t have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.
You know whose fault this is? Trump’s.
There’s a million liberals and leftists who made mistakes. But ultimately, Trump and his supporters are adults and they are the ones most to blame for what they’ve done. Not liking Hillary didn’t force anybody to vote for Trump; that was a choice they made.
While she’s not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey’s investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.
In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey’s investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017
That’s how all campaigns die, a death by a thousand cuts. Such things should be anticipated. Nothing hurt Hillary more in that election than Hillary being Hillary.
As for the emails, they could never have been leaked if they didn’t exist in the first place. The complaint is essentially that they got caught. How Trumpian.
Comey really fucked it. I have not forgotten
Can’t say I’m happy with how he handled things, though it does need to be said he didn’t bring the investigation to the public, he took it to congress, who immediately leaked it.
Sure. People who think the GOP isn’t a terrorist organisation are going to be the death of this country though. It’s too late to act like that’s not the case imo
If you’re still talking about Clinton, you’re why we got Trump instead of Sanders and I hate you for it.
Nah. Hillary Clinton ermh how do I put this. Destabilized Libya @_@ which was pretty much a “first world country” before she touched it. For some reason. IE, the Petrodollar. rolls eyes something gold to oil something Gadaffi. Something something “we came, we looked, he died” or something. IDGAF anymore
Justice for vilerat.
