When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    geopolitics is no excuse for the things being perpetrated inside but especially outside the us, currently by democrats. if the us made a bad judgment and found itself losing the situation, financing a literal genocide to avoid losing is not a justifiable thing to do here.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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      6 months ago

      It seems like you’re deliberately diverting away from my point: both sides are bad, but one is orders of magnitude worse than the other. Quashing voter turnout with this doomer rhetoric helps the worse one win. Democrats having problems doesn’t stop Republican problems from being an existential threat to the future of our democracy, and any chance of leftward progress. You do realize this, right?

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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        6 months ago

        the paragraph you are responding to is basically me saying “not orders of magnitude, here is a real world scenario to illustrate”

        the tiny minority of us socialists are not capable of swaying public opinion the way you say we do.

        if we were at all we would be doing much bigger countrywide striking, not still at convincing other people of anything.

        • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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          6 months ago

          Yes, orders of magnitude. The only real world scenario that’s relevant (because again, child labor and theocracy are purely Republican initiatives) is Palestine. Biden is trying to reign in Netanyahu within the latitude afforded him by existing, congressionally determined defense agreements and the complex geopolitical landscape of the middle east. Trump loves Netanyahu and thinks he should hurry up with the genocide already. That is orders of magnitude worse.

          The tiny minority of socialists aren’t capable of rallying large swaths of the population into countrywide action, this is true. But they can sway a slim minority of non-conservatives to sit out on an already dangerously close race. All they have to do is shave off a percent or two here or there to seal our fate.

          • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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            6 months ago

            democrats are literally doing all these things, right now. and you really do think geopolitics justifies financing a big fascist for a genocide? cmon man. there isnt good justification to sit at the nazi table.

            people dont want to vote to biden because peoples actual lives are still slowly getting worse, and all they can do is pretend not to be commiting war crimes. most countries with mandatory polling suffer from the same problem.

            if anyone wants more from socialism they can quit being on the side of the actual politicians doing heinous shit and participate instead. real grassroots needs people.

            • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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              6 months ago

              This is pointless. You’re making things up. Show me which Democrats are pushing child labor and theocracy.

              Is target my life slowly get worse than rapidly get worse, which is the alternative. Slowly getting worse buys time for grassroots. Trump will come down on grassroots. This is very simple logic, under no circumstance is Biden worse for socialists than Trump. This is ridiculous and you’re being willfully obtuse.

              • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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                6 months ago

                what do you mean. democrats are commiting genocide in the middle east, torturing mexicans at the border, sending ukranians as cannon fodder.

                and moving no muscle to stop and even contributing to any advance of the aforementioned fascism despite having the power to stop it.

                • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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                  6 months ago

                  Republicans would accelerate genocide in the middle east, torture more Mexicans at the border, and genocide Ukrainians.

                  They are the ones actively advancing the aforementioned fascism. Like I said, the choice is between things slowly getting worse, and quickly getting worse. Slowly getting worse gives us more time to do something about it. Democrats losing is objectively worse for all your talking points, worse for Americans, worse for the world, and particularly worse for leftists.

                  I don’t know who’s side you think you’re on, but I certainly know what side your actions support. Either you’re deliberately trying to hurt the left, or you’ve unwittingly fallen for talking points that serve to hurt the left. I’m not interested in talking to propagandists or their feckless stooges.