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Y—…you guys think Israel being an apartheid state is less than 8 years old?
That’s not what this is saying, no.
My point is, you think this Israel situation hasn’t been on the ballot our entire lives? Because it always has been. Things have gotten worse, sure. But the US has been supporting Israel’s abuse of the Palestinian people, with our votes, since we’ve had the chance to vote. This isn’t new. It’s always been this situation, it’s just changed back and forth between bad and worse.
Perhaps in some primaries you had the odd candidate here and there who opposed continued weapons sales to Israel, but the presidential election has absolutely not had it ‘on the the ballot’ because that would imply you had one candidate who had a significantly different stance on the issue to the other.
…by that logic, it’s not on the ballot this time either.
Correct.
Indeed
What? This was never partisan. It’s the West’s parking lot for bombs next to nuclear Iran. When TF was a presidential candidate running on defunding Israel? Nobody ever cared about Palestinians here. And if not for foreign troll farms sparking conflict, they still wouldn’t. Show me one protester who can point to another genocide on a world map right now.
…how are you guys not getting that that is my exact point? If this election it’s on the ballot, it’s always been on the ballot. Everyone youve ever voted into office has had their hands in the Israel shit bucket. Our support is not new. What they’re doing the Palestinians is not new. You guys just weren’t paying attention to it before. The tweet implies 8 years ago we didn’t have these problems…but we did. Because everyone you’ve ever voted into office has blood on their hands. The choice is no different this election than it was 8, 12, 16, 24 etc years ago. The only new addition is the overt fascist.
Israel is an apartheid state? How?
Homer Simpson meme “Democracies all around the world!”
If Trump wins, the US will likely conduct an isolationist policy on the way forward, creating a power vacuum on the world stage, which will be likely filled in the likes of Russia and China, but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!
but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!
If Trump is elected, he will enthusiastically pivot to more militant anti-China policy.
He’s close friends with Duterte and Marcos in the Philippines, and with the Parks in Korea. He’s popular among Australian white nationalists. And he’s the favorite of the Falun Gong and the Taiwanese ultra-nationalists.
Four years of Trump will almost certainly see us curtail trade with China and send more naval assets into the South China Sea.
Bad take.
You get genocide either way; one is a guy trying to stop the genocide that’s been negotiating behind the scenes for months (and yes, also giving the Israelis arms), and the other guy wants to accelerate the genocide while also ending democracy.
It’s difficult to defend the idea that Biden has been trying to end the genocide. He’s had that power from day 1. If you give Israel a bullet, you have solid awareness that there is a good chance it will be used against a non-combatant. That’s hard reality. If Biden was not supportive of genocide he would place an embargo on the weapons being poured into the massacre. He also wouldn’t sanction the ICC when they attempted to call out the primary actors in the genocide. He has given enabling support to the campaign in multiple ways.
Biden is not a good man as he is portrayed, he is complex obviously, but the reality is that Hitler still petted his dog and was nice to his friends and family. Biden should be joining Netanyahu at the Hague, not sabotaging democracy by being virtually un-electable while at the same time working to make it even more obvious that the international order is only there to punish certain war criminals.
Anyway, I think the take is pretty on point.
He’s had that power from day 1
Not as such, no. When congress appropriates funds, the president is legally obligated to disburse those funds for the purpose that they were appropriated for. This is a law, and it’s not something that’s up for debate. That was part of the underlying crime that Trump was first impeached for; he attempted to withhold funds corruptly. Could he have vetoed that? Sure. It also would have vetoed funding for Ukraine though. (And, just pointing out here that Trump would have vetoed assistance for Ukraine, while helping Israel kill more Palestinians faster.)
You can–and should–condemn his rhetoric, because he has been supportive of Israel waging war in Gaza. But he’s also been working behind the scenes, trying to negotiate a peace that Hamas will accept, and that Israel will accept. Even when he’s supporting Israel in public, it’s been clear that he’s been working to negotiate a truce.
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He would need some kind of finding of fact in the US to support that, and that hasn’t happened AFAIK yet. The ICC has made that finding, but it wouldn’t be legally supportable to use that finding to withhold appropriated funding.
Yeah the US isn’t even a member of the ICC.
In fact the US is so NOT a member of the ICC that it’s currently federal law that if a US soldier was being held at the Hague, the US military would be obligated to invade The Netherlands in order to recover them
“What part of rules for thee but not for me don’t you get?”
You mean like our intelligence agencies finding Israel’s claims to be “low confidence”
The literal second he tells the CIA to hand him the unedited file it’s over.
The Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act make sending that aid illegal, no matter how much Congress appropriates.
Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act
Read up on that. There would need to be a finding of fact by the relevant US embassy and departments within the gov’t before this comes into play. Without that, that act is irrelevant to Biden attempting to withhold aid.
Could Biden direct the ambassador and relevant department heads to investigate so that he could legally withhold aid? Yes, he could. Should he? Also yes. But it’s not something the president can do unilaterally. Despite SCOTUS’ attempt to make it so, the president was never intended to be the sole sovereign of the country.
Oh? Then what authority did he have to withhold the plane bombs?
This is student loans all over again. You guys are going to shout that he can’t do that right up until he does it.
The Leahy Law in text -
No assistance shall be furnished under this Act or the Arms Export Control Act to any unit of the security forces of a foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.
All he has to do is open a fucking newspaper. You’d have us believe he is deaf, dumb, and blind.
Didn’t we have a whole impeachment about a president preventing arms that were allocated by Congress from going to their destination? Oh yeah that was Trump trying to get some election fuckery from Ukraine. Granted, the election aspect was another level on it but that is functionally the same thing you’re demanding Biden do which was already determined to not be ok. President doesn’t have that power so maybe instead of wondering why Biden isn’t fixing the thing all on his own, we can start (or continue if you were ever paying attention between presidential elections) pressuring and replacing the Congress critters that are actually approving the sale of arms to continue the genocide. Why does everyone keep getting big man deluded when we know for a fact that the president isn’t a king with total control?
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It’s not the leaks, it’s the fact that Anthony Blinken has been holding talks in Cairo to try and negotiate a peace settlement.
Mostly because Netanyahu has been souring on Biden real fast. Biden held up a delivery of bombs to Israel back in May, citing Israel’s plans to bomb Rafah. Netanyahu announced he was pushing forward anyway, and there was a big public spat about it. That sort of thing has been happening since Oct 7.
I mean one could say it’s all an act or something, but that strains credulity to me.
I’m not saying Biden is doing great here, I’d much prefer he take Bernie Sanders’ advice on this and stop weapon deliveries altogether. But it’s certainly fair to assess that Biden wants the genocide to stop, but is not doing enough to stop it.
Which is a de facto admission he knows Israel is committing war crimes with the weapons and that he has the power to stop military aid at any time.
This is Student Loans all over again where his cult says he can’t do it, because he doesn’t have that power. And then he does it.
Edit to add, he also released those bombs to Israel something like last week?
Which is a de facto admission he knows Israel is committing war crimes with the weapons and that he has the power to stop military aid at any time.
So your take is what. If we don’t start bombing Israel ourselves we’re supporting genocide? It’s a real moving goalpost, almost as if no action by any president would be enough. Almost like this originated from the Trump camp like all the other misinformation.
Nothing disgusts me more than seeing how Americans find some excuse to HATE every Democrat LOVE every Republican, even over issues where the latter is lightyears worse than the former.
I’m sorry, how do you come to the conclusion that I want to bomb Gaza at all? Not everything is a partisan operation. War crimes are bad, full stop.
In 2020 the left was told to vote for Biden and pressure him. Now that he’s signed the most conservative immigration policy since Operation Wetback, and is supplying a genocide, suddenly it’s all, “jk we never meant for you to actually pressure him!”
You did it again. Dodging the question. Again. You KNOW there’s no clean answer to the Israel situation. You’re blaming Biden for walking a highwire nobody would have walked better. And you seem to know it because you won’t address the question head-on.
…and then you change topic.
So at this point, you concede that Biden is as pro-Palestine as is reasonably possible? Or are you just going to keep spreading the Russian propaganda?
I answered your grade school attempt to box me in with an assumed premise. And better would be to at the very least, condition military aid on the effective distribution of food aid to Gazans.
Or. Just maybe. We could actually care enough to pressure Biden.
No? Just going to shove your head in the ground and pretend politics is an immutable object?
I can’t imagine why Biden was already in so much polling trouble. It can’t possibly be the cult like atmosphere around him preventing him from contacting reality.
Ah yes. The insular Biden cult. I don’t know how deluded you need to be to buy this. No one, Not one person is in a cult of personality for Unkie Joe. No one. Why do you think this?
Says one of two people that have showed up to frame this as an either/or problem we can’t possibly even try to tackle. It’s either commit genocide or lose our democracy. No possible other option, especially after a disastrous debate that confirmed fears of age related mental decline.
The president isn’t actually running the entire county himself, Biden’s government isn’t fundamentally different from Obama’s, Trump also, very obviously from his first term, didn’t have much involvement at all in his government. The appointments, the policies his government focus on is a very big deal. Which 80 year old napping from 12pm to 5pm and going to bed, is not the difference that matters.
The president isn’t actually running the entire county himself, Biden’s government isn’t fundamentally different from Obama’s, Trump also, very obviously from his first term, didn’t have much involvement at all in his government. The appointments, the policies his government focus on is a very big deal. Which 80 year old napping from 12pm to 5pm and going to bed, is not the difference that matters.
So let’s just get rid of the position then? Hey all those fortune 500 companies don’t need CEOs either right? This is not the argument you seek.
Although I noticed you edited your comment to make my last reply look out of context.Edit - haha I confused the two places they replied to me. The rest is relevant though.
Israel controls one of the largest political lobbies in America. No president who goes against the interests of the Israeli government will ever be elected until this changes.
AIPAC has only won one house race this year, and that was an already vulnerable incumbent. They’re nothing like titans like the NRA.
…And exactly, EXACTLY, how do you pressure him in a way that doesn’t actively risk making things far, far worse, not just in Israel, but here in the US as well? Because if your answer is, “don’t vote for him”, well, congrats, you’re going to make things worse.
You let them know. You don’t just sit on it. The one thing that will move a politician is knowing they can’t get elected again if they keep doing something. By throwing “But Trump!” at us, no matter how obliquely, you’re just protecting a genocide.
Yes, he’ll learn a lot by not being in office anymore. Then someone else will have the power to aid Isreal explicitly to carry out a genocide. But Biden will know. He’ll never hold office again , but hay. He’ll know. As the Supreme Court sactions the legalism of a Trump dictatorship and approve a continuation of the Japanese Internment Act. Expanded to all the other not-white people. Just as they argued during his first term, but Biden will know. Biden will have learned his lesson. While he has no political power of any kind. And when they’re shoving people in trucks and on boats without sufficient supplies to be dummped into places they aren’t from and have no resources to survive, and Biden will be sitting at home having fully learned his lesson.
It Is Not a binary choice. First of all, Biden can still change course. Second Biden can be replaced. It is not a choice between Trump and blindly supporting whatever warm body is in opposition to him.
Are you not reading anything you just wrote?
one thing that will move a politician is knowing they can’t get elected again
If you do that with Biden, that means that Trump gets elected, and shit gets a whole helluva lot worse. Not just in Palestine, but everywhere. Of course, you’re going to say that I’m "throwing ‘But Trump!’ at you, but that’s not me - that’s the system that we live in.
You have a functionally binary choice. You can try to minimize damage, or not.
It’s your choice whether you, personally, do what you are capable of doing to minimize damage. And I hope that you have the intestinal fortitude to tell your LGBTQ+ friends to their face what you did, and why you did it, if it all goes the way I expect it will.
It Is Not a binary choice. First of all, Biden can still change course. Second Biden can be replaced. It is not a choice between Trump and blindly supporting whatever warm body is in opposition to him.
Functionally binary.
Bullshit.
Bad take.
It’s a return2ozma post. Of course it’s a bad take.
It’s not a bad take. The post didn’t imply that there was a no-Genocide option
You read the word OR in there?
Did it say AND ? NO. It said OR.
The post absofuckinglutely strongly implied there was a no-genocide option.
No it didn’t. That’s just the way you read it.
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn’t going to win the election.
As long as the R’s can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one.
Bernie refused to join the DNC. He was doing his usual pump&dump dirty pool of winning a Primary and refusing the nomination so that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to run anyone in the general.
Bernie got screwed
…because he couldn’t get as many votes. None of that superdelegate bullshit people are talking about came to pass. He just wasn’t popular enough among a party he refused to be a member of. Go figure.
One thing you got wrong is that Bernie got screwed. He got demolished by Clinton, by 12% points and millions of votes. It wasn’t even close. Democrats wanted Clinton, and the major complaints about the DNC during the primary was that they said nasty things about him in an email and gave her some debate questions. That’s it. It made no difference in the outcome.
Only after the rest of the moderate candidates were convinced to drop out before the debate and voting… Sanders would have likely won the primaries if there were more moderates on the ticket to split the vote.
So you’re saying because the winner was someone more representative of who the average Democrat voted, sanders got screwed.
No, I’m saying that the DNC has the responsibility to remain impartial, and when it doesn’t, it’s not surprising that the candidate they decide deserves to be president loses.
They didn’t decide. The people voted for Clinton and then Biden, overwhelmingly. Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want. Remember, sanders didnt drop out, he lost. Overwhelmingly so.
Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want.
Guessing you’ve never heard of the term “manufacturing consent”?
Are you pretending that’s been your argument up to this point?
Btw, why didn’t you point out that both of them backtracked the comments?
Am I the only one that remember wieserman-sholtz getting successfully sued over that? I swear this country has the memory of an 81 year old president.
Nah, this dude is just lying their asses off for some reason. I get voting for the lesser of two evils, I mean I voted for Clinton as well. But, apparently there are still ride or die Clinton heads out here still sucking down the copium.
What are you referring to, exactly?
What new decision did SCOTUS make?
Absolute immunity for all official acts by a president, whether technically within their power or not. It’s now possible Trump cannot be held accountable for his attempted coup because he did it as the sitting president - because SCOTUS implied it’s Constitutional for him to attempt to overthrow the government.
I mean yeah that’s true but it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.
If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it’s a white supremacist colony.
I’m actually surprised we haven’t heard Trump talking about nuking Gaza yet.
it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine
Trump loves Netanyahu for doing in Israel what he wants to do in the US.
Biden loves Israel because he’s bought all the Only Liberal Democracy In The Middle East propaganda they’ve been spewing for decades.
But if you’re a college student getting your head cracked by a SWAT team storming the Columbia campus, Biden is the one asking for your vote. Trump is asking for the SWAT guy’s vote.
And that’s why Trump is going to win. The SWAT guy is going to turn out for Trump while the protester spends the day in the ER.
Are we talking about Hillary the Drone strike Julian Assange, Clinton here? “Genocide Joe” is absolutely fucking nothing compared to her.
Things could be different but they’re not
Could you though
If it wasn’t for Hillary and her DNC, yes.
As much of a Berniebro that I was, I’ve come to realize that the Democratic party is horrifically balkanized. There’s this expectation that the progressive wing of the party is supposed to hold its nose every year and vote for the neoliberal candidate. The problem is that this is not a two way street. Your hardliner party supporters that wanted a Clinton presidency wouldn’t have voted for Bernie. I knew some of them in real life. The DNC actively and aggressively poisoned that particular well early on. Bernie wasn’t a “potential candidate” - he was an enemy of Clinton. Plain and simple. They all said that if Bernie had gotten the nomination, they would have stayed home on election day.
If it wasn’t for the people and things that currently exist, things would be different!
One of the opinions of all time
The system failed decades before that if there’s people running around stupid enough to think there’s a genocide happening.
But Americans now have what they deserve. The exceptionalism they’ve been pushing on the world is now on full display for everyone to witness.
What would you call erasing an entire people from the earth if not genocide?
You realize there’s 2 million Arabs living with full rights, some even serving in the IDF in Israel right? Gazans are Arabs, they’re not distinct from the Israelis living adjacent, no people’s are even remotely close to being wiped out FFS.
You realize that based on the birth rates there’s going to be more Gazans after the war than before it right!
Wow, this is next level insane.
Facts aren’t insanity, denying facts or insanity.
You realize there are Arab judges on the Israeli supreme Court right? Please tell me you’re aware that there are over 2 million Arab Israelis living with full rights in Israel.
You’re aware of this fact in reality, right?
You seem to think that non-israelis, ones who have openly committed to killing Israelis deserve the same rights and protections as an Israeli citizen, which is an absolutely insane position to take.
I can’t even begin to argue with you because everything you say is senseless and frankly irrelevant, I don’t know why you keep referring to arabs and who lives in Israel. Palestinians are being genocided you illogical tool.
Typical of your ilk facts are relevant because they don’t suit your narrative.
The Free world will continue to focus on reality. Here. The reality is there’s a terrorist organization running an enclave right next to the only democracy in the middle East. Those terrorists have spent their entire lives outwardly calling for the death of the citizens of that democracy .
No one in that enclave is being genocided and that’s easily proven by the fact that no genocide has ever ended when the hostages were released.
That you’re unable to acknowledge these simple facts and this readily apparent reality really just shows how easily people are caught up in the social media cause du jour.
I’d call on you to be better to be less ignorant and to be less pathetic, but you’ve proven yourself unable to do any of those things.
Read their comment history; they’re pretty strongly Zionist. Genocide denial is a requirement for continuing to hold that viewpoint.
They’re revering to the genocide in Gaza.
No, there isn’t
Hold on I’m screenshotting this for the next time a Biden die hard tells me there’s no one denying the existence of a genocide.
They’ll just ignore it and repeat themselves with more condescension.
Screen shot this. There’s no genocide in Gaza other than the one Hamas has attempted in October.
In 2016 I voted Trump. In fact before that election I mostly voted republicanish except in some cases.
You have to remember in 2016 that Hillary was deeply unlikeable, and I believe her email scandal should have put her in way more trouble than it actually did. Her platform at the time was that you should vote for her because then she would be the first woman president! The country needed something else.
Hillary was not the answer and it was the DNC’s inability to read the room that lost them the election.
I fucking love Bernie but he wasn’t the right guy either. He sticks to his ideals which is a fantastic quality but doesn’t win general elections, which realistically needs people who are more center aligned.
I regret my Trump vote and will never repeat that mistake but it’s hard to know where we’d be had it been that Hillary shyster.
This is either insane revisionism or this person is and was totally oblivious to messaging that may have contradicted their predetermined conclusion. Hillary Clinton had many many issues, but she absolutely had a very detailed and solid platform. The fact that certain elements of our society chose to only pay attention to her having a vagina is irrelevant to whether she actually had, maintained, and tried to advocate an actual platform. And the idea of voting for Trump but “loving” Sanders is like the perfect encapsulation of how utterly fucking dumb “independents” actually are in this country. Jfc
I love Bernie and what he stands for, and I did vote for him. I can sympathize with the hard choices we are all having to make of late.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her. The only unlikable thing is her unwillingness to take bullshit. Hillary was in-line to win by a landslide “unlikeable” or not. It took the media buying into a lie and Comey making misleading statements about her being under investigation (with no actual crimes suspected) a week before the election for Trump to win by the tightest margin ever.
The DNC is the party who notoriously dropkicks people on the merest whiff of impropriety. And here we had a fabricated criminal controversy. We played right into Trump’s hands.
…just food for thought. Ever notice how we Americans seem to remember VIRTUALLY EVERY Democratic presidential candidate in a bad light over some sort non-substantial reason or another like “unlikeable” or “tried too hard” or “claimed to invent the internet” or “was a douchebag”? Ever notice how older Democrats still somehow remember RONALD FUCKING REAGAN as the best president of their lives?
The Republicans bought the propaganda machine when Nixon lost. It’s all a goddamn lie.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her.
I mean, that’s just validating her own reasoning on why she lost the election. She didn’t win because she was arrogant, and decided she didn’t have to campaign in Michigan.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away. Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance
And she didn’t. People keep repeating this, but it’s not a fact. The DNC started transitioning over to Hillary after Bernie already had statistically ZERO chance but before he formally resigned. A bunch of people (including Bernie) got pissed about that, but not only is it not unheard-of, it’s downright sensible when Bernie wasn’t even planning to run on the Democratic ticket no matter what happened.
As I keep saying elsewhere. It’s really weird that everyone seems to hate Democrats who run for president more than Republicans who run for President, but for reasons they can never quite pin down to anything related to facts.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Bill was a moderate. Yeah, I know. Hillary was further to the left than her husband. Should we have given Trump the 2016 presidency because Hillary was married to a moderate?
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away
“Offhandedly blaming 9/11 on the Taliban does nothing but drive people away”. There’s no question 2016 was Republican propaganda and Hillary. I ABSOLUTELY have valid criticisms about the Democratic party. But that doesn’t mean every stupid criticism should be taken as valid. The Republicans have gotten REALLY good at the propaganda game.
Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
As “unpopular” as Hillary was, she was sladed to crush her by historic margins before you account for the Russian hacking scandal. You can disagree with me on that all you want, but if you DON’T get oppositionally defiant on that fact, then you can make no negative statements about her in good faith out of the 2016 election results.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for
Normally I would agree with you. 2016 was different. If Charles Manson ran for President and won, it’s the voters faults. NOBODY who did the least bit of research wasn’t shitting their pants on election day 2016.
“Sleep now in the fire.” And because we can’t fucking learn our lessons and we STILL blame the perfectly viable Hillary Clinton, we are indeed sleeping in the fire that Zack de la Rocha warned us about.
Voted for Trump but loves Bernie?
Please help me square the circle here.
My mother did the same. Her reasoning could be summarized as “how bad could it be?”. It turns out that, when placing a narcissistic con man in the highest office in the nation, the answer was pretty fucking bad.
Bernie plays as outside the establishment, Trump was also very much outside the establishment.
Sure, and they both drink water.
But one is outside the norm making things much worse while the other wants to make them much better.
They’re opposites in my mind.
If from 2 choices 1 means the death of democracy, the democracy is already dead. That was already true back then. I hate this post because I completly bushes over that fact and is only there to guilt trip people who want real change outside the 2 party system.
Vote D, and also do your v-for-vendetta shenanigans. No reason not to do both if you’re all in.
I think you all have a delusionally inflated opinion of both Bernie Sanders and progressive politics as a whole.
Bernie is a self described socialist. He lost in the primaries to middling candidates in both 2016 and 2020. He in particular has dismal performance among women over 30 and black people as a whole.
The progressive movement as a whole is even worse. At least Bernie makes an attempt to win hearts and minds. Progressives are obsessed with insane purity tests and horrible messaging that alienates everyone who doesn’t already agree with them.
Look at this tweet. The whole “anyone remotely to the right of me on Israel/Palestine is morally repugnant” stuff works in echo chambers, but would get you absolutely rocked in an election.
(Woman over 30 here) I caucused for Bernie in Nevada in 2020, and he won the state my dude. He also won Iowa, New Hampshire, California, and Colorado before dropping out. Where do you think our love for Bernie is “over inflated”? He had support amongst the people.
If by “the people”, you mean “a minority of voters in the democratic primaries, which historically are a lot more amicable to progressive candidates such as Bernie than the general electorate” then sure.
Bernie dropped out because there was no realistic way for him to win the primaries. He’d get bodied in the general election.
Once people started learning more about Bernie, they would more than likely be a supporter.
https://twitter.com/kendrick38/status/1233214590588248069
Biden has the support of 31 percent of black Democratic primary voters, while Sanders captures the backing of 29 percent. Aggregated data from 2019 shows that Biden led Sanders among these voters by as much as 30 percentage points in NBC News/WSJ national polls last year.
This post isn’t going to be popular on Lemmy but it is extremely accurate.
Who are you replying to?
I say we copy XI’s China or Putin’s Russia:
Attack and invade all neighbors, disappear dissenters and make thought crimes against the state punishable by death. No juries, trials or any bullshit.
That’s the only way to fix America; make it just as shitty and toxic as the east.
Sudan?
If it doesn’t have a large social media campaign it doesn’t exist.
We’re still doing ‘I don’t like his vibes’.
