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I’ve used Pandora for years. Granted, they don’t have all of the features of Spotify. But, I think their algorithm is better and my price has never changed.
Just use YouTube Music ReVanced. Every premium feature you need, ad-free, $0/mo.
This is just some nerd looking to be angry.
Maybe, but spotify is an actual scam so fuck them
wait why should deaf people enjoy music? And not through vibrations but LYRICS?!?!
I’m thinking it’s not Spotify that is keeping deaf people from enjoying music, but fuck the subscriptions also.
Some people use deaf and hard of hearing interchangeably.
Deaf (big D) culture spans various levels, like hard of hearing, yup!
Yeah it’s a whole spectrum. I hear normally out of my right ear but left is at best 50% volume. Just genetics my cousins have similar hearing profiles. If I listen to music with just the right ear I feel like I’m missing out even though I can barely tell what goes on in left ear outside of bass and drums.
Spotube.
I left Spotify for Tidal. But why would anyone feel obliged for free music from a commercial host? Just self host if you dont want to pay. Piracy is always morally right. It’s preservation of cultural heritage.
I choose to pay for Tidal because of convenience. I refuse to pay for more than 2 streaming services. It’s fairly easy for any adult to make choices like that.
This is an imagined problem and a fairly new one to.
Left handed people having to use tools and appliances designed for right handed people is an actual bigger issue.
(I don’t know how to pirate or self host but I think you’re cool).
I might get a bit of hate for this considering the community name, but Spotify is the one subscription I pay for and don’t feel like I’m getting ripped off. Basically every song I want is on there, they very rarely remove content, and the algorithm actually comes up with decent recommendations. I even like some of the other random features like Spotify wrapped.
But the main difference I see vs other subscriptions is that I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc if they ever make the service too shit (which admittedly they might since they keep raising the price and trying to shove podcasts down everyone’s throat) I could easily switch to a different streaming service or even go back to just buying music outright
I’m with you on that one. Yeah they are not great. But there are far worse companys.
I just started using Spotify for the first time last year, mainly because I got tired of trying to figure out what this meat paste wanted to listen to
YT is great when you know what you want to hear, but it’s garbage at (music) recommendations (I haven’t tried YT music)
Spoofie isn’t the best, but for right now, it’s worth the price just so I can actually get back to work, and not fiddle with YT for 3 hours looking for music this meat paste wants right now
Although, I’m open to alternatives, if they’re viable
I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc
I don’t use Spotify so correct me if I’m wrong. But I think Spotify has podcasts that are only available there.
I told my wife about other open source apps that have music without ads, and even though it had the music, there were some podcasts that were not available without Spotify premium outside of Spotify.
You’re probably right there, I don’t listen to podcasts so I was just talking about the music
I used to like Spotify. Right now YT music feels just way better. No fluff yet, just music. Plus all of the unofficial covers which are on YT are on YT music
YT music does have a problem with reuploaders stealing revenue through “topics”, Upper Echelon made a video about it a few weeks ago
Sounds like a temporary issue but google does take its time to fix anything
That’s definitely the nice thing about YT music for me. Whatever random niche songs my son wants about games or characters, or ordinary popular music any of us listen to, are always on there. Plus we use regular YT all the time on several devices, so it is literally the only streaming service I pay for.
I have Tidal. It costs the same as Spotify but pays artists more and actively promotes up and coming musicians. Also they aren’t part of the military industrial complex, so that’s cool.
Same, Tidal also has better sound quality and a shuffle that actually works
I like Spotify, and when I want to support and artist I buy their merch, or I go see them live (the amount of money they get from ticket sales depends on if it’s a live nation event or not).
goddamned y-tube told me I ran out of skips. subscribe for more skips. skips=fucks and I’m all out
I know Lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a Spotify alternative with good accessibility, then this is pretty cool:
Music Haptics is a new way for users who are deaf or hard of hearing to experience music on iPhone. With this accessibility feature turned on, the Taptic Engine in iPhone plays taps, textures and refined vibrations to the audio of the music. Music Haptics works across millions of songs in the Apple Music catalogue, and will be available as an API for developers to make music more accessible in their apps.
Oh that’s cool.
Apple Music also has read-along lyrics without any extra cost.
So does YouTube Music.
This is actually really cool. And now I wonder if you could use this to produce music specifically designed for haptics only
It’s like we’re circling back to those “extreme bass” CDs from the 90s.
I don’t get it. They are complaning that their limited free plan is limited?
They’re complaining that one of the things the limited free plan takes away is something they were using to accommodate their disability.
They’re complaining that the limited, free-tier plan is worse than it used to be. And really, for no good reason.
When EA releases Star Wars 2: A Sense Of Pride And Accomplishment, we complain about how stupid that is, do we not?
for no good reason
Hosting costs a lot of money
And they run ads. The free-tier is not actually free, you know.
The 1 or 2 kB of lyrics are a few orders of magnitude smaller than the song being streamed.
The album art probably takes up more space than the lyrics.
So, album art should also be a paid feature?Album art would make way more sense as a paid feature than lyrics, considering it’s a largely cosmetic improvement.
How does it make more sense that “cosmetic” features are in the paid-tier? Would it not be the other way around?
Because it improves the experience, but isn’t vital to it. If you want the free tier to be accessible to everyone, limiting things like lyrics that people like OP use as a disability accommodation isn’t the way to do it.
The whole point with features being paid for is that they incentivize you to pay. There is no universal right to have a free tier or certain features for free.
It just makes sense to lock features that users enjoy to incentives them to pay.
I never used Spotify, the whole thing seem stupid
Coming from the age of ipods and piracy, Spotify was a great alternative to that and reasonably priced for the usage you could get out of it. These days is harder to justify
Meh 6 people, almost every song we could want for less than 20 bucks is ideal.
That said I am gearing up to change streamer just because they annoy me with UI changes, forcing originals, pushing gigs despite disabling that function…and the longest running gripe of all: let me disable censored songs you cunts. I never want the clean version.
While I agree that this is stupid, why would a deaf person be using Spotify in the first place?
So I’m not deaf, not in the slightest, but I struggle to understand lyrics in music. I love music, I live and breathe it and I’m gonna dedicate my life to it, but I’ve always struggled with understanding lyrics in music. To me, the vocalist is just another instrument in the mix. Having lyrics to read helps me appreciate my favorite tunes more!
For me it is certain singers that apparently everyone else understands but I cannot without knowing the words ahead of time. Not just mumbling, some voices just don’t register clearly for me if I don’t know what they are saying.
It can depend on the mixing, too. Not just in regards to volume, but also in how the vocals are edited. My recent obsession has been Dusk at Cubist Castle, shit’s absolutely amazing. The way a lot of the vocals are mixed and processed are super cool, like layering the same lines over themselves five times over with subtle delays and panning, it sounds real cool! But it makes it sound a lot more distant to me as a result.
Yeah, thst is true. But I’m talking about some popular artists like Pearl Jam and Mase who everyone around me apparently could hear clear as day but I just heard mumble mush at first and could only hear the words clearly with printed lyrics in front of me.
You might have a smidge of
SpeechAuditory* Processing Disorder. I do and that’s what it’s like for me. Common comorbidity with ADHD and ASD, and possibly other neurotypes.Oh almost certainly. I have ADHD, prolly autistic, and I’ve had many times where my mind stopped processing what people are saying. Which is bad when you work tourism xD
Yyuup. It’s bad in basically any job you have to listen to people during, and I always have to establish with friends that it is an honest mistake when I can’t understand them and/or spaced out.
I’m ADHD and on the spectrum more than likely, and my therapist says that the cutting edge research pertaining to this is leaning towards combining ADHD and ASD into one conglomerate of symptoms because they overlap more often than not.
Seems like they could just Google the lyrics and read that.
But I guess Spotify lyrics do give an idea on the pace of the song.
Or pay for the service like they suggested
ew
Only if they’ve been synched, a lot of lyrics on there aren’t.
I’ve heard some deaf people like the vibration of certain kinds of music.
Long shot guess: deaf person can “listen” to vibrations of music with their hands on a speaker but this is not possible with lyrics?
So imagine you’re listening to rap. But you’re hard of hearing. The beats still slap, but the words aren’t intelligible. Hell the beats are even better because you got a subwoofer that shakes the floor. But you know it’s poetry, it’s about the words as much as the beats. So of course you’d want to read along
Is that you, Helen?
Deafness isn’t binary, they could be capable of hearing the music but not making out the lyrics.
Just to clarify definitions that probably wouldn’t be considered deafness, it would be an audio processing disorder. Ability to hear music but inability to process the words.
Deafness is “binary” in that it just means ones ability to hear sound or not. If you can hear sound even slightly then you just have a hearing impairment and are not deaf.
Deafness is commonly understood to include both total and partial hearing loss. Every major dictionary defines it this way. It might have a more precise meaning in some spheres (medical, etc), but in common English it is not binary the way you’re suggesting.
Similar to blindness which also isn’t an absolute yes or no. People can be blind and still see colors and shapes, but not enough to be able to tell what they are.
Ability to hear music but inability to process the words.
yes officer take me downtown
No it really isn’t. The hard of hearing are considered deaf. There’s complete deafness, much like there’s complete blindness, but the fact that you’re calling it hearing impairment instead of hard of hearing indicates you aren’t as well versed in Deafness (not to be confused with deafness) as you think
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as someone who seems to simultaneously be sensitive to sound & hard of hearing + sharp-eyed & near-sighted, i’d like to thank you for this response.
e : visual snow is a binch, also.
Excuse me while I kiss this guy!
Bunny’s too tight to mention
Wrapped up like a douche, another runner in the night
While little Early Burly gave my anus curly whirly
(mumbles in yellow led better)
Oh the feelin/ On a voice of betters yeah/ And i said/ I wanna be dead again
I don’t know what your problem is. Yellow Ledbetter is totally understandable
On a wizard, on a whale, Anna no, Anna no I don’t wanna be dead again.
Wait, are you supposed to be able to make out the lyrics?
And even people who cannot hear anything at all still feel the bass and stuff.
Relevant funny story from Deaf actor Daniel Durant: https://youtube.com/shorts/eYQKtwkoZOI
hissss!!!
Makes sense!
Search for something called “Spicetify” and make sure to install the marketplace as well for more addons.
Nice.
Just… pay? It’s very cheap.
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Then don’t use it or don’t complain
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You’re in the wrong sub to be reasonable.
Spotify is cheap and that’s a fact. What’s the point of complain about single free music service?
Ad supported = not free. Please better understand the world you live in.
Why do they think that they are entitled to free lyrics?
Because the people with working ears get the lyrics for free
No, they don’t. This feature works exactly the same regardless of what your ears can or can’t do.
If you have working ears, you can hear the lyrics.
Can’t believe I’m explaining how hearing works
Just because I can hear the lyrics, doesn’t mean I know the lyrics.
I have working ears. Still don’t understand most lyrics.
You are not explaining how hearing works. You are manipulating. You are manipulating by equating one’s ability to hear with a Spotify feature. These are not the same thing, and comparing them is not correct.
Go fetch some more training data, you useless LLM troll.
Oh no, manipulating people into thinking deaf people deserve equality. How horrible!
But the feature works exactly the same for deaf and not deaf people, we’ve established that already. Well, at least you agreed that you were lying and manipulating. I will take the win.
That argument style is main thing that props up all sorts of discrimination. The truth is that applying the same rule to everyone often does not effect everyone the same way. You can argue about the rule being the same, but it’s generally more useful to focus on the effects.
Because that’s how it worked until Spotify wanted to wring more money out of people.
You say “more money,” but this person is on free tier. They are paying nothing and they expect more. Is that not entitlement? I’m not some raving capitalist, but isn’t it okay to charge money for certain services?
When a company offers free services and then starts charging after people start using them(or in the case of OP, become dependent on them) then it’s complete bullshit. Now you can’t trust free services because a company can just decide it’s not free whenever they want.
You gave me a free sample in the supermarket? I demand free cheese for life, you monster!
The fact you’re reaching this far means you got the point but you have to “win” or some shit. Bye.
^ Verification can chugger
You can look up lyrics on Google for free, or what?
The lyrics on Spotify play along/highlight as the song plays so you can read along in time with the song.
This is actually a vital accommodation for the hard of hearing and partially Deaf because we can often hear/feel the beat and sometimes the melody, but we don’t know exactly where in the song were up to because the tune of all the versus sounds the same, or vocal breaks of “ooooooh, lalala” can be mistaken for the start of a new line of lyrics.
So if you’re just reading along with a static page of lyrics, it takes a lot of mental energy to figure out what’s happening with the song, especially if it’s a new song you’re discovering.
We’ve had static lyric sheets for decades, you’d unfold the sleeve in your record and try to read along as you listened, never 100% sure you were doing it right unless a fully hearing friend was there to point at the words and be your version of the bouncing ball.
So to have this technology that almost completely solves this problem for a vulnerable community… Then to put it behind a pay wall despite the fact that Deaf people are more likely to be underemployed and socially disadvantaged than the general hearing populous is just callous.
Our experience of music is fundamentally different to hearing people, and yet Spotify will charge us the same rate for a sub par experience.
As a non-deaf person, I came in here looking exactly for your comment. Reading the post, I was confused as to how deaf people even enjoy music. You told me exactly the things I wanted to understand in a very good, and even relatable way. Thank you!
