A dum question: if both candidates are unable to function, then what happens? (Trump for his crimes, Biden for getting dementia…)
Meanwhile in Finland: the Finnish version of “build the wall”:
Parliament’s Administrative Committee will not resume its discussion of the Refoulement Act until after the weekend. The committee is still so far behind schedule that it could not complete its work today. The debate on the bill continued during the committee meeting, which started at 5 p.m. but ended quickly. Peltokangas says there was no drama at the meeting. https://yle.fi/uutiset/lyhyesti/74-20097017
The bill needs 5/6 parliamentary approval and politicians are already sweating over it because it touches too many international treaties + constitution. Debate is mostly: is it ready yet? is it ready yet? is it ready yet? (While the committees checking the bill are getting more uneasy by the bill’s content…)
If it’s after they’re elected then it’ll run down the line of succession: VP, Speaker of the House, president pro tempore of the Senate, then the cabinet.
If it’s before they’re elected, I’m no expert but I believe the Democratic and Republican parties are private organizations that can do whatever the fuck they want, even fail to abide by the results of their own primaries.
Checked out the Refoulement Act and it looks ugly, I wish you good luck over there with your own government
As a foreigner I sinned for I disobeyed the advices and watched it…
I couldn’t believe it was so bad… once I saw it I couldn’t believe I was watching that.
The crazy thing is everything up to this point was so much better. They’d show biden waiving at “nobody” and then they’d zoom out and there’s someone standing there. Or he’d say “president of Mexico” when he meant to say “president of Egypt”. But then last night was like nonstop fail. It’s the perfect nightmare scenario because now everyone can say “You shoulda seen it sooner!” but really, we couldn’t.
Sounds like an excuse.
What I mean is: it sounds like his handlers kept making excuses and you kept accepting them because you wanted to believe them.
I know, I’m frustrated too. I dismissed the Alex Jones Fox News crowd because they were known liars, they’d lied to us for decades, and this really did seem like standard conservative projection to deflect from their candidates’ obvious mental issues.
Hate to admit it. But the conservatives were right and we were wrong.
We’ve seen this before with Reagan. We took the military industrial complex to the next level. If history repeats with banks deregulated as they are now… It won’t matter one fucking bit, really. It’s not very important whom they choose to front their cons. No President can save us, or would want to. Our oppressor is not our savior.
I don’t see how what conservatives say has to do with reality.
Biden has been “senile” and “too old” for years now, during which time we’ve had a functioning Biden administration.
The Trump admin was limp, chronically understaffed, weak, ineffectual. That’s what they’re pretending is better than Biden. Conservatives don’t even care about senility so if you hear them rag on Biden and think they’re right, you’re not understanding what they’re really saying.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking the 1st trump term will be like the second if he wins. This time people are prepared and have a playbook to do as much damage as possible. Google project 2025.
No, plenty of nonpartisan and even liberal people were yelling this too. I had no illusions of Biden’s age.
America is not just two internet echo chambers… even if it feels like it right now.
Hey Everyone! That was just a funny joke, haha parody…you know how we do! Real debate next month haha
I’m right at the border (Windsor) and I don’t want to live that close to Gilead (which will happen if Trump wins).
ZzzzzzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzzZzzzzzzzz I skibdi with um COVID dealing with uh everything hmmm we had to uh deal with uh OOOooorere if we finally beat Medicare
We are so fucked if this is Joe’s new demeanor. My god, the orange bafoon handled it so much better…fuck
My god, the orange bafoon handled it so much better
Yeah, if you completely ignore anything that came out of his mouth. His sentences very maybe more coherent, but the content was certainly awful.
Trump’s still in control of his (meager) faculties and that’s the issue. They’re going to have to put someone else in against Trump or admit that the past few years have been Weekend at Biden’s
To all you inside the US: you might want to look up how assault rifles’ can be modified to be automatic.
I have a feeling that if Trump wins, someone will do the nazi salute thing again, but maybe insert “hail god!” somewhere into it, and this time it’ll be done by someone way more mainstream…
Ok let’s get you back to bed
Your family is in our neighbourhood and in this domestic dispute I’m just wondering if I need to call the police or the abundance.
In America, you can’t call just one—you’ll still get police if you ask for an ambulance.
Source: am American, have tried calling for only an ambulance before.
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Did they charge an extra $10k for the police?
Indeed, the person in the ambulance went bankrupt. I’m not even kidding.
I say this as an American: maybe start making friends with the other countries because we are not gonna be okay whatever happens.
I’m just wondering if I need to call the police or the ambulance
Both? One of these guys is a convicted felon turned robber baron and the other is a retirement home escapee who has lost the light in their eyes.
Independent party exist, we need to wake up and vote for one great candidate that is not either of the two they present to US
Unfortunately, that isn’t feasible in the current system. In first past the post every vote is damage control at best.
We need ranked choice voting everywhere before people will even consider a third party.
I found your ballot box:
This way of thinking is how we end up watching this shitshow debate
It’s best to start doing that in county and state elections first.
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The vibes I get from the French left in social media remind me of the days when Podemos (in Spain) was soaring. It gives me a bit of hope. Good luck.
Is it the official French stance to omit the Oxford comma?
That’s the topic of the next debate.
Yes,
Correct, no comma before the last element if it is preceded by a conjunction (e.g. “et”, that is “and” in English) in French
It’s only an Oxford comma if it’s from the region of Oxford. Otherwise it’s just sparkling interpunction.
Cambridge, Massachusetts has entered the chat, with a classical English accent.
I mean, reading that sentence, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they omitted it just to spite the British.
just to spite the British
A fine justification, no matter the situation
WE 👏STAN👏BOM-👏PARD👏
The thing that’s pissing me off though is that the centrist party decided it would rather demonize the left than the alt right, I suppose they know they already lost and are trying to get as many votes off of those they know might vote for them (some socialists).
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Centerists will always attack the left rather than the right. They are actually right wingers that don’t want the social stigma that goes with admitting that you’re right wing. Once the progressives have been killed off by the right wing, the liberals will take the mask off.
The lot of them are cowards and the left is a whole lot less scary than the right, since we don’t go on random killing sprees frequently.
This will be up there with 9/11 for worst things to happen to the country
Well, i would have gone for slavery or genocide, but downing a financial building is probably the same from a POV.
/s I’m just joking
Unfortunately, when America farts we’re all forced to smell it. America wants Europeans to stay out of American business, buts that’s rather difficult to do when that country demands to be the center of attention.
Unfortunatly it seems america just shat it’s pant.
I’ve been begging for europeans to export unions and labor rights to America for years, we meed help
America wants Europeans to stay out of American business
I don’t. Please send help!
I concur Please help
not communisim plz
Europe is far from being communist. XD
Last time Europe sent people to “help” America it didn’t end well…
Times have changed a lot since then.
we’re our own kind of fucked up over here :( Except the Finns, the Finns are cool.
Really? Because every time the weather in Finland goes about 10°C I hear my Finnish friends complain like it’s the apocalypse. XD I’m just glad Denmark is having a decent summer this year.
I’m a big fan of any country voting against the populist trend, so I may ask for asylum in Finland eventually. Although, despite my motivation to learn new languages, that might be a challenge :)
Scandinavia has always been very left side, so it comes to low surprise to me that the left won the European election in Denmark, despite the right trend in the rest of Europe.
However, I will add that right wing Europe is still pretty left from America. Take Geert Wilders, the new guy from the Netherlands. The policies he wants to enact are stricter laws, more difficulty for immigrants, a stronger police force, street curfews for teenagers (real old man yells at cloud energy), and withdrawal from the climate agreement. All very right wing.
But… He also wants better funding for hospitals and schools, higher wages for nurses and teachers, more robust free healthcare system, hard caps and regulations on the increasing housing prices, more affordable housing, a more efficient and cost effective energy grid. If an American politician starts talking about these things they’ll be called a communist!
Scandinavia has always been very left side
Maybe from a hard neo nazi perspective. Denmark and Sweden especially have right-wing extremist parties (Denmark Democrats + New Right + Danish People’s Party together ~= 14.3%, Sweden Democrats 17.5%) with a voter base that has been established over a longer time. The German right wing populists have risen to that level only in recent elections, which is frightening. Geert Wilders is not “the new guy” from the Netherlands, he’s been a populist rightwing piece of shit for decades. Unfortunately, the average Dutch person over 40 / outside university towns is also quite racist under the surface - I lived there for 4 years, speak fluent Dutch with a German accent and since they felt “safe” with their bigotry around me, I have heard enough racist and sexist bullshit from “average middle class” Dutch people that I didn’t feel comfortable in that country anymore. The young people in urban centres are okay, but unfortunately those are not a large enough demographic.
As for comparing with the US - maybe not a good idea: Even young US americans see the democrats for the corporate shills they are, and know that they have to vote for them just to prevent a Handmaid’s Tale Season 6 becoming a documentary.
The US are the scary example for Western Europe as “this will happen here if you don’t pay attention”. No one in Europe will be able to say “I didn’t know” when we slip into a totalitarian regime filled with hate and controlled by corporations, because it might be happening in front of our eyes with a ~10 year headstart in the US. I just hope that’s not what is going to happen in the end, but things have progressed far too much into the worst dystopian future thinkable for this century.
We did but then you lot started ringing bells.
Tbf, were fucked too.
And all that hot air rises to Canada.
Well I suppose the answer I’d give is that because of how right-wing the US is compared to much of the Western world, it becomes a patient zero for whatever the far-right is cooking up - which inevitably influences far-right groups in other Western countries
Word.
Putin planted his seed with Trump in his greatest enemy (democracy/America). It quickly caught on & has spread globally.
Hundreds of Billions of dollars in US defense hasn’t done a thing to halt the attacks on democracy Putin has wraught with a few million spent on his troll army.
The man can’t carry out a physical attack for shit, but his cyber attacks have no equal, only willing collaborators (Murdoch et al, the maga army).
Putin planted his seed with Trump
Please don’t post your fanfics here 🤮🤮
It’s no fanfic. It’s assessing the enemy. Kind of important to do if you want to beat em.
Don’t be a snowflake. The right is claiming that territory madly.
You’d rather believe Trump is result of foreign interference, that our own institutions would never result in this without being sullied from outside. It’s fan fic, it’s Cold War nonsense.
Trump is the consequence of our political systems, of our spiteful culture, of our economics that promises success and leaves people sick, broken, and in debt. So what if the Russians had a few hundred Facebook posts? That “seed” would not have taken if the soil weren’t already fertile. Frankly, I don’t think it made a difference. We were barrelling toward Trump with or without the oh so spooky slavs typing on a keyboard.
I recommend you read up. And quit sounding like you’re on Putin’s propaganda team: ‘oh that’s cold war nonsense’
Putin funded Trump, fed him the whole Obama’s a Kenyan schtick, Hilary’s a criminal ploy.
Trump can’t think up or accomplish a damn thing without a cheer squad to goad & lead him where to go.
Tom Snyder’s the Road to Unfreedom has the path well researched. I highly recommend you read that.
Yes, Rupert Murdoch had been warring against real news since Reagan (Bush’s puppet) withdrew laws that required stations labeled ‘News’ carry truth & news
Yes, Reagan was an early predecessor to the incompetent celebrity politician role that Trump walks. Yes, Danny Quayle was a shining example of idiocy in politics.
Putin saw these things the Murdoch & Bush families put forth & jumped on the band wagon, gave it a nitro boost. Not much difference? Follow the money.
You are looking for a Great Man of history to pin this on. You’d rather believe someone nefarious is in charge and pulling the strings from an ocean away, than to see this for what it is; an empire with no real conscious oversight. A pile of self-interested businessmen, politicians, and militarists doing whatever they can to line their pockets, profits above all else.
The US has, per capita, the largest prison population and, outright, the biggest military on the planet. If there’s a road to ‘unfreedom’, we traveled down it a long time ago.
You are looking for a Great Man of history to pin this on. You’d rather believe someone nefarious is in charge and pulling the strings from an ocean away, than to see this for what it is; an empire with no real conscious oversight.
No, I just prefer to have realization of all of the components.
A pile of self-interested businessmen, politicians, and militarists doing whatever they can to line their pockets, profits above all else.
Agreed.
The US has, per capita, the largest prison population and, outright, the biggest military on the planet. If there’s a road to ‘unfreedom’, we traveled down it a long time ago.
Also agreed. As I said before, we were on this path, many made it worse. Putin put it on steroids.
They were making a joke about “planting his seed” meaning impregnating.
I follow closely what is happening in the US from France because even though we have a very different culture I still think US politics is a preview of what’s to come here.
Right now I consider we are at the step where our media are crumbling and becoming unable to properly inform us. A step that has been reached a couple of years ago in the US in my opinion.
The next step will probably be our own coup attempt in a few years and a steady increase in the division of the country and far right movements.
America sneezes, the world catches a drone strike or something
I mean Brexit predated the Trump election by 5 months
How is this fascist right wing shit show not a global debacle? Putin, Netenyahu, Bolsanaro, Trump… Italy & Germany both rolling right. North Korea (of course) and Xinny the Pooh.
Does Britain’s finally dumping the Tories (after a decade & a half+) make them one of the few to break left at this time on the global stage? {Something about broken clocks being right from time to time.}
Poland and Hungary also did fairly well, if I’m not mistaken
No I wouldn’t think that about the UK. Tories shifted massively rightwards over the past decade and they are really losing most voters to Reform - a hard right party, so they are simply not hard-right enough for most voters, meanwhile Labour has shifted massively right to occupy the space Cameron-style neocons were in before.
The right win in the long run because if labour wins, the dynamic will be of that between Cameron-esque conservatives under Starmer Labour and hard-right conservatives under Reform/UKIP/whatever Farage party as the two major parties. This is the final form of the overton window shift, on which the UK and US led the world on in 2016.
If anything the lib Dems - if you take their manifesto at face value - are far more progressive than Labour at this point and don’t adopt the “managed decline” style of governance.
This is where the UK FPTP system might actually work well, Reform could get as many as 17% of votes, ahead of Tory 15% and become the 2nd largest party, and yet end up with like one parliament seat because they dont end up with a majority in any one county this time around.
The only hope then is that Starmer is just secretly a really good guy who won’t say so because the tory media would eviscerate him on culture war shit, that he survives the power struggle of a labour seat supermajority and kicks out the likes of Duffield and Streeting.
Nope, you can’t stand there for generations going “LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!” Then get shitty when we do, we want to watch you drive that burning bus into the the ocean.
It’s just a face, and doesn’t usually represent the people.
Prez has little power when compared to most world leaders. Their lead is more of a cultural one.
So to say, it’s really not so violently serious
I wish Prez had been real, and not just a Sandman president.
We’re literally the family with the drunk uncle who’s really fun at parties but now the alcoholism has caught up and he just gets sad and angry when he gets drunk.
We’re Amy Winehouse/Lindsay Lohan/Britney Spears. We love(d) the limelight, but it’s not so great when we’re spiraling downward.
Elvis Presley. We’re currently in the fat Vegas years. We should probably stay away from submarine sandwiches, and bathtubs.
what is americas death on the toilet going to be?
An absolute shitshow
