Something I always love to add to these sorts of threads:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles
It expresses the view that the current aeonic civilization is that of the Western world, but it claims that the evolution of this society is threatened by the “Magian/Nazarene” influence of the Judeo-Christian religion, which the Order seeks to combat in order to establish a militaristic new social order, which it calls the “Imperium”. According to Order teachings, this is necessary in order for a galactic civilization to form, in which “Aryan” society will colonise the Milky Way.
It’s beyond heresy.
Lots of child abuse going on related to O9A, theyre evil fucks
I want a late 90s RTS portraying galactic battles between the nexions of this lunatics.
Something like dune2000…
I imagine a sci fi version of the London’s police and the INDD (Intergalactic Net of Drug Dealers) should also be added as factions
There’s a lot of fantasy settings id like to live in but Warhammer is not one of them especially anything imperium related
IDK that Taussy be looking real tempting.
It’s beyond heresy.
Well ok but this ONA has nothing to do with Christianity, they explicitly state it’s a militant Satanic left-hand path occultist network. I mean being Satanic kinda goes hand in hand with heresy.
As with many other occult organisations, the Order shrouds its history in “mystery and legend”, creating a “mythical narrative” for its origins and development. The ONA claims to be the descendant of pre-Christian pagan traditions which survived the Christianisation of Britain and were passed down from the Middle Ages onward in small groups or “temples”
For sure, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I was only using the word in the 40k version where nearly everything is hersasy, not the sensible version of the word youre using.
Hideo Kojima: Hmmm
I never realized she was an astronaut. They don’t teach you that in Sunday school.
Blood for the Blood God!
Skulls for the skull throne…
That Jesus guy sure is a bloodthirsty one.
I’m sure all those bones are legitimate salvage…
If memory serves right most of these are basically a method of clearing out old graves for new bodies. Basically dig up someone who was burried a hundred years ago and stick em in the bonewall. So ethically sourced so long as no one fucks up the paperwork.
As someone who grew up in a Muslim country, I have to say, Westerners this is some weird shit man. Like, call the police weird. We are supposed to be the barbarians yet you get to have skull thrones and shit? WTF?
All the Abrahamic religions are death cults. It’s just as morbid as muslim sects that force women to dress head to toe black robes or w/e. The extremism just becomes part of the scenery when you’re around it, but it’s all objectively bizzare.
Like think about it, these religions were literally invented by bronze age goat herds who thought the earth was flat and covered by a dome, and people in the modern day still believe in them. It’s literally group insanity.
It would be like someone who still believes in the greek gods or something.
How to say that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions without saying that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions.
The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC. 1200 Before Christ. Most of the prophets of the Torah are estimated to have lived around 1000 BC up until Jesus was born. Mohammed s.a.s. lived in the 7th century AD.
Also if your argument is that something originating in the bronze age is bad, i recommend you to stop using metal tools, eat bread and cultivated fruits. Obviously no beer and while you are at it reject math, astronomy and most of architecture. All stuff originating in the Bronze Age.
The Abrahamic religions are based on superstious oral traditions that extend into the bronze age. They are a hodge podge of cults and spiritual traditions that got absorbed as tribes genocided eachother over the millenia. Taking over a conquered group’s pantheon is a regular occurrence throughout history, similar to how the Romans took Christianity and adapted it. There are remnants in the torah/old testament of the stitching together of different polytheistic religious narratives that eventually became the Abrahamic traditions.
I don’t really care about technical specifics of when any given era of the Abrahamic religions began, believing in invisible skymen is not the same as a material tool or a mathematical proof. It’s a bunch of bullshit stories people told eachother for why the rain fell or why lightning happened, it belongs in the past, there’s no excuse to still believe it now.
Religion is heavily intertwined with barbarism. The West/Christian countries have dumped more than their fair share on the world.
Dude these sprang from Mesopotamian/Egyptian necropoli. This is a Mediterranean/Middle Eastern tradition springing from Egypt and Summer.
The whole point of religion was to keep the psychopaths in control. Sometimes you had to throw them a bone to keep them in line.
ha.
I bet it isn’t really Magdalene.
Chances are, it isn’t. The early Catholic Church did a lot of this kind of thing, where they would claim to have a piece of the cross, or a bone of St Peter in a church. It was just to drive tourism into their churches. If you took all the claimed pieces of the cross and assembled them, it would make far more than one cross.
Not only early, they did such things in medieval times too.
Argh, what was it again. I’ve read about something the catholic church used in switzerland in 14. or 15. century for this.
Considering Catholic practices only the stupidest adherents would. You betcha they pulled a bitch Roman Catholics hated out of Syria to enshrine in Rome 50 years after the fact; during a civil war.
Sure it is. Let’s just pretend there is no monetary incentive for a region to have a holy relic which brings them a bunch of tourism. Ain’t nothing holy under capitalism.
Every single consecrated Catholic altar contains a relic of a saint. Usually they’re pretty small, maybe a piece of a fingerbone or something. You’re right that a good one like this would bring in lots of pilgrims (tourist dollars,) but it’s a tradition that way predates capitalism.
I’m not in the business of defending the Catholic Church or capitalism, just wanted to clarify.
Socialists don’t see a fundamental difference between a king or church owning the means of production and a merchant/capitalist/whatever owning it, because there isn’t a significant difference. Adam Smith was observing truths on the nature of property ownership and how to increase the gains from such, not describing the idea of rich and powerful people owning property that would make them money by exploiting the value of labor. That idea is as old as agriculture.
Where it might get tricky is if the gains from owning the “relic” were funding welfare programs/charity more than they were funding the excessive lifestyle of the clergy, but that’s not something Catholics are particularly known for living up to, responsible usage of tithes and actually following the precepts of ascetism in the clergy.
Imagine that place being abandoned and a explorer accidently shining light on that skull…
That’s metal as hell- I mean, heaven!
Why not just add a calf somewhere?
I don’t know how the Christians see this and think anything other than “this is some evil shit”.
I don’t know how Christians read the Old Testament and think anything other than “This is some evil shit.”
The book of Job is wild, I remember as a kid thinking this is my god?
I don’t know how Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood and don’t think anything other than “I’m in a fucking cannibal cult”.
I don’t know how Mormons drink water and still have the mental gymnastics to think “this is actually blood but I’m totally not in a fucking cannibal cult.”
I went to the capuchin crypt in Italy.
Spoiler; had nothing to do with monkeys
Yeah, that one is definitely a sight to see, if you can stand looking at dead people’s bones.
I’m fine with them. I went through that whole catacomb and then went through the others.
They have a lot of bony vaults and tunnels and catacombs in Italy.
And whatever church has the wooden fragments of Christ’s cross.
I saw those too.
They look like wood fragments.
At one point, there were probably enough cross fragments going around to build a house with.
if you can stand looking at dead people’s bones
I much prefer it to looking at alive people’s bones
What do you think the Imperium was modeled after?
I went to a crypt in Britain as a kid, can’t remember where tf it was, but I still remember it because it was super interesting.
It’s where I learned about Trepanning and how they did it back in olden times to “let the bad spirits out” and it actually worked because it reduced swelling around the brain by giving the blood a way out.
We still do that today, just with thr patient under anesthesia so they dont freak out about uaving a hole drilled in their skull.
Yeah that’s what the dude said when he was showing us around, blew my preteen brain.
I recently watched an episode of Hamiltons Pharmacopoeia where this lady was talking about her experience living with the guy that made all the LSD for the south of Britain back in the day. She fell in love with a pigeon.
Anyway this dude was well into trepanning, thought it was a way to increase the brain capacity and expand the mind.
She ended up trepanning herself on film and releasing the footage, yeah they watched it on the episode.
She was a bit of an oddball but swears by it.
Ha, cool.
capucin- prefix comes from the Latin for “hood,” and by synecdoche means “monks” (who wear hoods)
Cafe Cappuccino has the same roots.
This is correct. There’s actually a little plaque that has this explanation on it before you go into the crypt.
It’s this funny little Latin lesson before you descend into skeleton catacomb are confronted with the living memory that you too are temporary.
Did you find any legendary gear?
Nah, just snagged a couple skulls.
Not even common white gear? Man this game SUCKS.
They were a dull grayish white.
I don’t know, people seemed pretty freaked out when I was carrying them around.
They’re working on some level
Graphics are good though.
Make an animatronic out of it.
Insert a 1 euro coin and the skull will sing your favorite hymn.
I hear that’s been an issue of debate in the Vatican since around the 70s and one of the cardinals is very keen on summoning a council to settle it.
That’s so punk
It really isn’t. Punk is what fights this shit. This is Authority.
What if I steal it?
The look of it. I still have trouble beliving the Catholic church has this? It looks like art.
Yep, Christianity is filled with stuff like this and art. Most churches contain a decent amount of art. Most famous of all being the Sistine chapel, ofc. Found out this year about The Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran. Which is basically the Pope’s main church. Always assumed it would be the one in Vatican, but no, it’s a different one, in Rome. It’s a very impressive place. Huge statues. This being the best. St Bart is said to have been skinned alive, hence the knife and his face.
These are pre-Christian Imperial Roman catacombs. The important part is the Imperial. People seem to forget that Rome was Authoritarian, and extremely, homicidaly so.
It still looks cool
Hell yeah it does. Why do you think the religions that used it did so well?
I’d disagree. Stuff like this springs out of acts of popular piety. When you teach that the relics of people in heaven can work as prayer aides, it’s a foregone conclusion that some may want to decorate (or even wallpaper, like the photos of the skulls) a prayer space with the highest class of relics.
It’s an unanticipated reaction to authority, ergo punk.
I can’t tell if you are stupid or counter counter punk. My brain glich shorted out the rest but I will be looking at your posts, so good on ya?
I edited for clarity to explain that I’m referring to the subgenre pop punk, which one could easily argue is not punk.
I get where you are coming from. Skull Aesthetic can be used to represent both authority (Religion/govt) and rebellion (Pirates/Bandits), but Holy Relics only really rep one side of that equation. Your Pop-Punk blow works as a jab/word play. That said your label isn’t actually Punk /s :).
Iconoclasm is punk?
If it destroys an Empire it sure is!
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What my unkindled hollow looks like with the face mask of his helmet open.
