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My theory as a non Star Wars fan (please don’t ban me, your memes are too good!), is that Star Wars was kind of a right time and place kind of thing.
It worked because of the state of things in the late 70s, when things were going in the wrong direction and it was rather obvious which was a new thing in the world.
So Star Wars and the whole struggle with a comically obvious evil side (which what kills it for me as a 90s kid) is a critique of the time.
No I miss old star wars content. Specifically where Luke and Leia make out and where exactly George was going with that shit.
Jokes aside, pronouns is the dumbest possible hill to die on with regards to the starwars universe. OF COURSE gender is going to work differently when you put a bunch of wildly different species together. Gender dimorphism is not some universal rule the rest of the galaxy has to follow. Hell, sexual dimorphism isn’t even universal ON EARTH. why the fuck wouldn’t you run into a them or xir every now and then? What about those bug people from clone wars? You think bug people are gonna have mommies and daddies or what?
It does feel a little unnatural when they force the inclusion of some lesbian couple for the sake of inclusion. I don’t have a problem with that but don’t force it. Let the story develop over time where it feels natural. You don’t see rushed straight relationships in Hollywood.
You don’t see rushed straight relationships in Hollywood.
You may want to sit down now, because if you like, I can gather a list of all movies whose script contains the line
“and then the hero gets the girl despite there being no perceivable chemistry or other factors they have in common except him being the main character and her being The GirlTM in the movie. They kiss. The End.”
Obligatory “just watch Andor” comment.
Seriously. Go and watch Andor. It proves that good Star Wars content can be made. It has a diverse cast. You just need good writing and a vision. That’s what’s missing from the new content.
I felt like Andor was pretty dang boring… Loved Rogue One, though.
But I don’t want quality content when I open up a Star Wars series. I want the same old Republic vs Empire setting, some easygoing action with light sabers, bit of humor, a couple of furry characters and plot holes I can drive a truck through.
Edit: make that a barge. I want to drive a barge through not a truck.
I’m good thanks. I’m not subscribing to s streaming service where the business model is pumping out content faster than the competition
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No
Well, George Lucas has been gaslighting us about the OT for decades
Imagine your kid watches Return of the Jedi and asks: “Why did they make every ship’s computer so primitive when they could apparently do CGI characters back then?” That will make you feel old.
The original trilogy was hero’s journey stuff, mythology for a modern age. Episode 6 was the weakest, though.
The prequel trilogy was an envisioned world - for all of its writing weaknesses, it felt like a living, breathing universe.
The sequel trilogy was lifeless. 7 was an okay start, and I actually quite enjoyed it despite being derivative, but 8 was muddled trash (how many times did Poe commit mutiny while they were doing the slow-mo chase?) and 9 was dreadfully mediocre.
And this is coming from someone who loves many of the spin-off media on their own merits, many even more than I love the prequel trilogy.
It’s not nostalgia. Some of us just genuinely dislike how shit the sequel trilogy was, and how bad they did our boy John Boyega after episode 7.
And the problem is not even the corporate wokeism (although it’s feels about as insincere as all of the current corporate wokewashing) it’s just… bad writing. “Lifeless” is absolutely on point as a description for the sequels. It felt like they only existed to yank my nostalgia while at the same time trying to do so with less thought and love poured into them. Plastic, lifeless, sanitized, insincere, corporate profit driven nostalgia-fodder CAN NOT compare to simply good writing, actors with chemistry and sincerity.
I watched 7, suffered through 8 and didn’t even care about watching 9. Yes, I am nostalgic, but that’s precisely what the sequels were created to evoke. But just nostalgia isn’t enough!
Like you, I really enjoyed most of the spin-offs. They had a story to tell and they had direction, believable characters and did not feel like just trying to yank my nostalgia for the original trilogy. I mean… they DID yank my nostalgia, but then they went above and beyond that and told interesting stories.
I wish one time someone who hates all the newer stuff would give a real reason why and not some lame blanket statement about it. I liked some of the new movies well enough even though I was a adult when they came out. Sure the first three were great when you were a kid. I’m seen that same look though on kids watching the new stuff. The new ones are their star wars.
Plenty of people have written/spoke in great detail about this. At this point you aren’t actually interested in criticism of Disney’s work.
There’s nothing wrong with liking bad movies if they could at least admit they’re bad. But no, they have to defend Disney’s honor or some shit.
Star Wars, DC, Marvel, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Jurassic whatever, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Godzilla, Halo, Gears of War, Batman: Arkham and every other nostalgia-driven cinematic/televised/videogame franchise relies on shitgobblers. Shitgobblers just keep gobbling.
Here ya go. This goes into great and specific detail about why the original movies are much better movies than the newer ones
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D&index=1&pp=iAQB
My post got removed. Bunch of thin skinned little children in here. I have my opinion and don’t really care if you don’t share it.
Calling everyone who disagrees with you “thin skinned little children” makes you look like a child. It makes it seem like you really do care that they don’t share your opinion.
As succinctly as possible:
Disney paid a billion dollars for a franchise people cared about. It doesn’t matter what the franchise was or anything else, what mattered is that people cared and many considered it to be culturally significant.
Disney then made a trilogy without a long term plan other than “make a trilogy”.
The writing was at best lackluster, at worst laughable. Specific examples abound (“somehow, Palpatine returned”) but the major problems are that the core conflict of the middle film of the trilogy was contrived and the third film then had to scramble to cover the glaring, obvious problems. This writing issue eclipses other (still very serious) problems like a lack of character development with the main character, setups without payoffs, and trivializing or bastardizing supporting characters.
4 billion even!
Fuck me, really?
What the cinnamon toast fuck is wrong with that company? I don’t care if you’re fucking Bill Gates, when you spend four billion dollars you might want to … ya know … have a game plan and not rush a script out the door.
The movies are not the moneymakers for Star Wars, and never have been. Lucas didn’t get 4 billion dollars for the movie rights.
The money is in toys and licensing, and Disney has most likely made their money back already.
Disney hasn’t been too happy with the performance of star wars as an IP.
When episode 2 was released I have already read at least 10 books from the star wars universe. Chronologically before episode 1 and after episode 6.
The authors of these books exchanged concepts, aligned the universe across ther works and put care into consistencz between different reads. They probably even questioned george lucas about the possible future.
And then there came disney, dumped across years of work and didn’t bother to align anything. This is why they suck hardcore to me. And then these films are dump and just money-grabbing machines.
Fuck everything since disney. They simply suck hardcore.
If you hate the movies because they don’t respect the lore, I’m sorry to say I don’t think your opinion really matters.
To explain why, I’ll share my own experience. I am a massive fan of Dune, I’ve read the series multiple times and consider it my favourite art/series/thing. I kind of hated the recent movies because in my opinion they didn’t understand the source material and adapted it in a way that ruined what made the books so amazing to me. I couldn’t separate the movies from the books and it ruined my experience of watching the movies.
My point is that if you are so invested in the lore and backstory, you’re probably not able to assess the movies on their own merit. The prequels are god awful movies and you seem to have no issue with them.
BTW I’m not defending the sequels at all except to say that I thought FA was a fine movie.
I really couldn’t enjoy them. It was going against my grain and I could tell every upcoming emotion upfront. It reminded me of these short-cutted youtube videos.
Some scenes were nostalgic but I did indeed feel robbed for all the potential stories missed and overwritten.
Since my friends had a good time I just focused on these few nostalgic moments which were nice to see after such a long time. You gifted me the opportunity to reflect which I appreciate.
The prequels are god awful movies and you seem to have no issue with them.
Hehe, you read me like a book. I even liked episode one very much.
I like how you’re getting downvoted because it kind of puts your point on display. I am by no means fond of the sequel trilogy, but I certainly agree that there is a generational preference based on which movies you grew up with.
This is why they are being downvoted.
I wish one time someone who hates all the newer stuff would give a real reason why and not some lame blanket statement about it.
Plenty of people have given real reasons that aren’t blanket statements. Some people have soent way more time than the movies deserve pointing out the issues with the new movies.
Heck, I spent a few minutes making a comment as a reply to theirs covering the basic issues that is far more than a blanket statement, and that was just the objectively bad stuff that I remembered off the top of my head.
The original trilogy were fun adventure that had really solid special effects for their time, quotable lines, memorable characters, and yes were just new and fresh takes on existing stories like everythibg is.
The new movies lean way too hard into nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake instead while also contradicting a lot of the established world building of the original movies without more than one or two memorable characters. They spend way too much time talking about the macguffins instwad of using them to advance the plot, have special effects sequences that drag on too long which makes them tedious instead of tense and exciting. They waste leading characters by setting up some interesting possibilities that could be explored, like a stormtrooper who deserted or the knight of Ren, both of which were introduced at the start of Ep 7, then drop them to spend time on macguffins leading to new macguffins like the stupid sith dagger bullshit that made zero sense.
The sequel trilogy starts with a rehash of the original trilogy, but a worse story and with better special effects. It isn’t memorable and then two incoherent movies that dropped the interesting parts of ep 7 to waste time on pointless spectacle.
Rogue One had the style of the first films down, but didn’t pull off being memorable. I put it third after Empire Strikes back and A New Hope.
None of this is to say the original trilogy is perfect or anything, it is just more fun to watch and quote and that is what is important with adventure stories. Spectacle doesn’t matter when the story sets up something interesting and then forgets about it.
Both are true
Disney is shit, star wars was never good
Hate the truth however much you want, it’ll still be valid tomorrow morning also.
Why does every idiot who is not a Star Wars fan think that repeating the normie stereotype about it is very smart? Which is this pic BTW.
Star Wars since the OT and till around 2006 had very clear borders between, 1, that which doesn’t get mentioned, but follows from what’s shown, 2, that which doesn’t get explained, 3, that which is explained by magic, 4, that which has decent, but very roughly cut sci-fi descriptions and, finally, 5, that which is taken seriously.
Disney doesn’t understand how to use any of these categories, especially that core plot points can only belong to #5, that #1 is not just fan imagination, but part of the paradigm, that #2 is not a box for everything lazy, that #3 cannot be center of the plot, and that #4 is still necessary.
To answer your first sentence. Perhaps it to try and show an interest in something you like.
Yes, only it’s generally unpleasant to say condescending stuff of the “I’ve got you figured out and I see this thing deeper than you” kind to someone who’s very well familiar with the thing in question when you are not.
And in personal experience
to try and show an interest in something you like
people ask questions.
Perhaps with #2 and then #3 before #6 we could all be happy and all violence in the world would be finally over.
What’s #6 ?..
The only one after #10
I’m trying to get your joke here, because in my comment the connections between numbers and rules were given in the paragraph previous to the one with # notation.
I’m making fun of your comment as it doesn’t make sense.
Well, it does, and when a comment does make sense, but not to you, and instead of asking where you are wrong you are trying to make fun of it, it just means you are a clown.
Well I tend to be a little crazy so clown is probably not that far off
My shoes:
Star Wars is now the schlocky, uninspired, cheesy “sci-fi” that the original Star Wars killed by changing the whole genre back in 1977. It’s time that the next George Lucas emerges and ends the travesty that is Disney SW. I don’t see it happening with the risk-adversity of modern Hollywood.
I mean, George could’t even edit his first film right and got way too much help from who was around him. When he got famous and nobody could talk down to him his movies got meh at best… and jar jar at worst
and jar jar at worst
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So you’re saying GL isn’t really the guy who was responsible for “a new hope”?
I’m saying the ideas were there and the work is its child for sure, but he had a lot of help from great minds of the time. A movie is not just made by the director, and if his/her voice is too strong it will kill the talent around him. That’s what I think happened after his success
This unrealistic hypothetical includes way too much reasoning attempted with the “woke agenda” guy…
Watched Episode 7 yesterday.
That was from 2015??? Nearly 10 years ago, which is completely crazy.
Really interesting how it is newer than Episode 3, but uses all of the Episode 4-6 style.
The music sucks, but the visuals are very nice. I love how they made the Lightsabers and Guns so much more realistic.
I remember episode 8 or 9? Where literally every scene was stolen from Clone Wars. That was a bit lame.
Also crazy how their cast is still 80% male. I always wonder if people would be shocked if it was 80% female…
Omg
Force Awakens will be closer to Revenge of the Sith next year
The music sucks
You take that back. John Williams is an international treasure, and the only aspect which was consistently good throughout all nine films. Rey’s theme, March of the Resistance, and Jedi Steps and Finale were all stellar in my opinion.
It was clearly phoned in work that leaned heavily on previous themes.
Sorry I overthink it. Just the general impression was… kinda random?
Like many tracks in important moments were not memorable at all.
Thrawn though that’s some Dad energy shlock
How is star wars woke. Woke is a social construct conservative people use.
That’s the joke. It’s not really a criticism. It basically implies Peter is being racist.
Woke is a social construct conservative people use.
My dude, Woke is a concept that the culture wars have stolen and mangled. It goes back over a hundred years.
And you won’t be surprised at all regarding who they stole it from.
How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#Origins_and_usage
Edited to confess I don’t use it in the original context either. I use it like the article mentions near the end:
"People today who identify as woke see themselves as having been awakened to a new set of ideas, value systems, and knowledge”
I don’t actually use it out loud (primarily because of what conservatives have done to the word), but yeah, once you start looking behind the curtain, it’s hard to view it any other way but as an awakening.
I suppose it would be a very boring movie if all actors were just asleep the whole time.
As the saying goes, go woke, go broke. That’s law.
