Weird. I dont remember Neo murdering civilians and then parading their naked bodies around while pelting them stones. I also dont recall the rebel founding charta mentioning something about a holy war of eradication against all clones in the galaxy.
Maybe, just maybe, the real isnt like a neat 3 hour film with clearly established sides and maybe we could acknowledge that neither Hamas nor the fucking IDF is remotely close to being good. But nah, that would require us to not make cheap point for likes on twitter.
You know that the hamas is not the whole resistance neither the only one being bombed, right ? Also, you should watch Andor
it is the largest armed group in Gaza. And the largest force of armed resistance. The other parts of the armed resistance that also participated in 7/10 arent better.
did i ever claim they all deserve to be bombed? The civilians in Gaza and the West Bank certainly dont deserve be bombed. Just like the rave attendents didnt deserve to be murdered.
Okay now we establish who deserved what, maybe we should ask ourselves if this punishment help to prevent this murders to happen again, or will their cause another disaster in the futur.
We could find the Isralien army more or less virtuous than the Palestinians armed resistance, and throw examples and counter examples, our we think about what cause it, and how to stop it. Having a materialist approach
Yeah, but that is an entirely different discussion from the consoomeresque comparison OP tried to make.
The clones where already phased out by the time of the alliance to restore the republic, it was the empire that had wiped them out (always pull up the ladder behind you).
On a more serious note: the ‘both sides bad’ point is a bit moot when many western nations (including the USA and UK, where most english speaking twit-lords come from) are actively providing financial and military support to one of those sides. If it were discovered MI6 had been smuggling missiles then we could talk about what how to put a stop to it.
And few mention the long term support both financially and military aid provided to Hamas by Iran to attack Israel. Much like they support the Houthis in firing missiles at shipping.
There is a shadow war happening right now. I find it interesting that Hamas launched their attack on Israel and then the Houthi followed up by attacking global shipping vessels with missiles in the Straights of Hormuz. Both factions receive money and weapons from Iran.
Who is right and who is wrong mostly depends on who you want to see do the genocide. But a genocide will happen in that region one way or another.
Just like how preventing the genocide of poles/jews/gypsies in europe required the counter-genocide of the German people?
Confict between Iran and the west does not need to be settled in Gazan hospitals. Why I ought I support the actual in-progress genocide because of the hypothetical genocide that would be carried out in absence of western support, espacily given that Isreali military spending alone is already twice Iranian? Withdrawing support from Isreal would not wipe the nation out, just cause it to place greater weight on international support (and thereby international law) when conducting their war.
I legit have no idea what side he’s advocating for. I’m inclined to say Palatine, since that’s the side that’s completely out classed and is getting eradicated by the opposition. But I know Israel views them selves like this too, because it is surrounded by people that want it gone. What a conundrum, almost as if fucking star wars, a space fairy tale about literal good and evil clashing isn’t a good analogy to real life.
I think Palatine was only outclassed at the very end of ep VI and maybe IX but they make it very clear he’s the bad one
Israel, the Empire, which has invaded a native population and colonizes it can try to paint itself as the victim. Yet the glaringly obvious truth remains that they are the Empire not the resistance.
Throwing a pity party does not make the Sith Jedis.
Star Wars was based off the Vietnam war where we demonized the Vietcong, famous for their guerilla warfare and tunnel networks. Time is a flat circle.
Star Wars is based on many conflicts. WWII being the big one, the Empire had the look and feel of Space Nazis, the trench run was based on a dam busting raid in WWII, the battle on Hoth is based on Dunkirk, Lando is Neville Chamberlain trying to make a deal with fascists, etc.
RotJ was trying to depict Vietnam, but it’s depiction was problematic. It was originally conceived to be Wookies against the empire but Lucas decided against that and went with Ewoks because he could make them to be primitive in the same way he saw the Vietnamese as being. It was the start of the Lucas trend of making aliens that were problematic depictions of various real world races, which wasn’t a good thing.
https://www.cbr.com/george-lucas-vietnam-war-star-wars-inspiration/
the original Star Wars trilogy drew clear inspiration from a plethora of classic movies. However, creator George Lucas revealed one of his biggest influences was the Vietnam War.
Pretty sure he’s talking about pineapple on pizza
Ah, the most controversial of topics! >:(
And here I am, thinking he’s talking about elections in the USA.
Always two, there are. No more. No less.
It’s because they have happy endings. It gives the opposite effect due to that. The rebels win, everyone makes it out alive, we get to sit in the garden with our blonde children under a nice tree and never worry about saving the world again.
It’s placating. Imagine going up to a Walmart and the doors are blocked with on fire cars, because the guys fighting for a union are not taking no for an answer, imagine the bosses office gets pipebombed, or moltov’d, that’s what it would take, people won’t go that far when they’re placated emotionally. Walmart goes to some very high extremes to fight unionizing, it would be horrible, they’d have to DO hazmats right, they’d have to stop the constant psychological warfare with their workers, they’d have to actually pay out a meaningful profit share not just $300 every quarter a head for a store that makes 2mil a day on average. It would mean they’d have to bring back middle management jobs to promote people to based on senority. Can you imagine?
Victory is a grind, not a finale.
I actually have met a concerning number of people who idolize The Empire in the original Star Wars trilogy. The one who was always loudest about it willingly moved to Florida recently and is turning sadly right wing. He used to be a super smart punk rocker, too.
That’s strange since the movies don’t really try to give The Empire any redeeming values. It’s pretty literally and figuratively black and white.
But The Empire has a better costume department. …Man I guess I’m in.
Ever since I was young, you know, I hated dissension.
Among my peer group, it caused a whole lot of tension.
When the other kids were slouching, I would stand at attention.
And I’ve always looked so good in white.
Hugo Boss!
If Star Wars was indeed a long, long time ago, that brand has some serious staying power.
Better costumes, better toys, no restrictions on the use of force power (can choke out anyone you like).
Let’s face it, Darth Vader is one of the coolest villains of all time. Tons and tons of kids who grew up on Star Wars fantasized about being powerful like him and choking out their enemies in the schoolyard.
Are they independent contractors?
Worse, an AirBnb landlord
My best read on that phenomenon is that a few people took the discussion from Clerks a little further and started arguing as a joke that the empire were just trying to establish order as. They started r/EmpireDidNothingWrong, where irony-poisoned kids began taking the joke seriously, just like the people who legitimately believe the whole “birds aren’t real” theory.
The Republic turned on and tried to assassinate the democratically elected leader because of his religion, and because they didn’t want to stop all the wars Republic was constantly fighting, supporting crime syndicates etc.
Unfortunately anti establishment scenes always attracts right wingers. Like how the Skinhead subculture, which was started by British working class leftist teens, was co-opted by Nazis. Or how those wellness moms and hippies became virulent antivax right wingers.
These people often don’t even know they are right wingers until these oblivious right wingers form critical mass. Not very surprising that a punk rocker became a right wing idiot.
Through victory my chains are broken. For the Empire! In all seriousness though, it’s fictional space fantasy. When I was a kid, watching the OG trilogy, I always supported the rebels, but as I got older I slowly became way more into the empire. Sometimes it’s just fun to root for the bad guys. Also the dogmatic nature of the Jedi becomes glaringly more obvious as you get older.
I’ve seen some of my left wing friends and right wing friends post this meme, thinking that, of course, they are the one who sees the obvious.
None of those who have posted it are particularly smart.
Yeah, my first thought was “What side is he talking about?”
Is it normalcy resisting fascism or fascism resisting normalcy? Yeah the system needs changing but sure as fuck not from a fascist dictatorship built on lies and attacks.
Yep. It clearly illustrates their lack of understanding how nuanced politics and social issues are. If it’s that easy on TV, it should be so easy in reality, right?
We need to start a resistance movement against this meme.
Did no one side with the Maquis against the Federation?
The maquis end up, in my opinion, as supremely unlikeable. Of course our exposure to them is through the federation lens, but in the abstract it is hard to understand how they can be the good guys.
From what we understand, the federation is a post scarcity society due to replicators. The maquis origins, as I understand it, is that to broker peace between the federation and cardassians some planets swapped ownership. The maquis are the displaced people from planets that shifted to cardassian control.
Ok, losing your planet sucks. Now whether or not these figures are sympathetic hinges on the federations accommodations to them. The federation offered to relocate them to other planets. They are federation citizens so they can go to any developed world in the federation or start a new colony, replicating whatever they need.
How did they respond? By going “no this patch of land is super duper important for some reason that no one will ever be able to explain” and refuse to leave. Then they begin terrorizing the cardassians for trying to settle the planets that were agreed to. Threatening the peace and stability of a space utopia society because they want to hold their breathe and stamp their feet and not sit in a shuttle craft for a day and go to some other of the vast countless planets in the universe they have access to.
Billions upon billions of federation and cardassian lives at risk so some jackass can keep farming a plot of land indistinguishable from the replacement plot of land he’s being offered for free. Oh and also he doesn’t fucking need to farm anything at all this is like a hobby or some shit because they have replicators.
Sisko was right to launch the tricobalt devices at their colonies and the federation should enlisted him to go Sherman on those traitors.
i watched these movies and sided with people?
That’s weird, i don’t remember giving a shit, because it’s all fiction.
Not appreciating basic storytelling isn’t the flex you think it is…
i can read a damn good book, and still go about my day without worrying about whatever the shitfarts got up to militarily.
It’s literally made up.
You played Half Life 2 as a resistance leader and killed like 200 cops in the first act. But when you drive past cops in real life you do nothing. Curious.
And people do exactly what they did for those movies. Sit on the side and watch and hope…
So…
You watched “Ender’s Game” and sided with the humans executing genocide.
It depends a lot on how the story is told.
Nobody sided with the military in Ender’s Game once they understood what was really going on. That’s the whole point of the story.
You clearly did not read the book
Was the clue in the verb?
also in the takeaway
In real life the “badies” think of themselves as “goodies”, so what some see as “goodies” vs “badies” others will see as “badies” vs “goodies”.
I mean, it would be really nice if the “badies” were going around openly admitting they’re hurting other people because of the pain of others makes them feel good or that they simply want to take their shit and not to have to worry about payback “because we killed the fuckers”, but that’s not what they do: they give justifications like “they attacked us, we’re just defending ourselves”, “they’re the ones who want to hurt/genocide us”, or even “we have Western (i.e. good) values whilst they’re human animals” (if this sounds a lot like Zionists propaganda points, that’s because they are, though it’s really a more general “Fascist etnostate”-speak genre).
they give justifications like “they attacked us, we’re just defending ourselves”, “they’re the ones who want to hurt/genocide us”
This is also the justification for Israel’s campaign in Gaza. The goal is to protect Israelis… it’s just there happens to be some Israelis in Gaza against their will right now as they’re being held hostage. And it’s not just Hamas that celebrates the massacre of Jews on October 7, you see signs at protests in the west celebrating it now.
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The NAZIs also claimed their goal was to defend the Arian Race from the Jews who had infiltrated they system and wanted to destroy it.
All ethno-Fascists (who are far the worst and most violent kind of Fascist) claim that their goal is the protection of their ethnicity.
The way you spot their excuses are just ethno-Fascist bullshit rather than truthfull, is because they’re very overtly racist about their enemy (such as calling them “human animal” and claiming they’re all as an ethnicity violent based on the action of just a few), have calous disregard for the life of innocents (more thank 10k children murdered, journalists targetted, hospitals targetted, medical personnel executed and burried in common graves) and inflict incredibly disproportionate hurt to those they deem to be defending themselves from (the number of Palestinians killed just in Gaza now is already over 30x the Israelis killed on on the 7th of October and even before all that the rate of Palestinians killed vs Israelis killed in the ongowing occupation was in average above 10x, most of Gaza has been razed versus a few houses burned in Israel).
People genuinelly defending themselves don’t do those things.
It’s not by chance that the broader opinion in the West changed over time against Israel as the Gaza invasion went: people kept seeing more and more indications that what the Israelis were doing was not at all the “defending themselves” they claimed because it was a needlessly excessive and violent way, by quite an incredibly distance, to reach the goal they stated it was. So more and more people concluded this wasn’t defense, it was violent murderous offense to the level of Genocide.
Do you imagine anyone is triggered by comparing Israel to Nazis? Do you think anything you wrote is original. Nope. It’s boring. And wrong. Get some new propaganda, ok?
The IDF exists to protect Israeli people. You don’t seem to be aware of this, but there are currently Israeli people being held against their will in Gaza. Therefore the IDF is in Gaza. It’s not that complicated.
Lets make it extremelly simple to understand:
- Even the most violent murderous sociopathic regime in the History of Mankind claimed their actions were for “defense” of their ethnicity.
Hell, fucking Ku-Klux-Klan claims they’re defending “the white race”.
Every single violent racist fascist sociopath out there claims their murderous ways are “defense” and it’s always for an ethnicity and it’s always against people of another specific ethnicity.
Normal people who are not Fascists or Sociopaths do not claim they stand for an ethnicity, and they certainly do not murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians of a different ethnicity whilst claiming they’re doing it as “defense”.
So when the Zionists and the murderous sociopathic dogs in IDF who kill children and laugh about it, claim their murder of tens of thousands of children and other innocent civilians from another ethnocity is “defense”, everybody who is not a Moron or a Sociopath gets reminded of all the other violent murderous sociopathic regimes who did the exact same thing and used the exact same excuse, and, yeah, that includes the bloody Nazis.
Don’t want to be compared to the Nazis, don’t act like the fucking Nazis, don’t use the exact same fucking propaganda tricks as the Nazis.
Interesting that you think Hamas has the right to fight for the rights of their ethnicity but Israel doesn’t have the right to defend their people from Hamas making ethnic attacks.
I wish we lived in a world where a Jewish state wasn’t necessary because antisemitism didn’t exist anymore. But unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. Antisemitism is still alive and growing stronger. On October 7, Hamas succeeded in removing all doubt in my mind of the necessity of a Jewish state. The antisemitic acts of protesters in the West has only re-inforced that. The UN and many countries around the world showing sympathy for Hamas after they committed genocide, makes it certain there needs to be at least one country in the world where Jews can find sanctuary when the endless cycle of antisemitism turns people towards irrational hatred of Jews.
You will likely deny the antisemitsm happening in the world right now because that fits with the narrative being pushed on you by authoritarians. Your denial means nothing, because there’s more people that know what’s happening then there are people like you that rationalize your hatred. And even if you can get people in positions of power to fall in line with your hateful thoughts about Jews, there is a place they can go to escape that oppression that you want to inflict on Jews.
It’s not because of me that there needs to be a Jewish state. It’s because of people like you there needs to be a Jewish state.
That’s one big strawman you built there and I’m sure you thoroughly trashed it with that long post of yours.
Shame that I never said any of that and all you’re fighting is your own presumption that others think and see the World like yourself and hence that those who disagree with you must be a mirror image of you “on the other side”, complete with looking at everybody as “ethnics” and judging people’s actions based on their ethnicity.
Your entire post reads like The Racist’s View Of The World complete with thinking your “adversary” must be a racist of the “other side”, with race-based double standards and hypocrisy and riddled with prejudiced generalisations and presumptions about people belonging to various ethnicities including Jews, and is a wonderful example of the very ethno-Fascist sloganeering I’ve pointed out comes from Zionists.
Not a single Humanist argument in sight, not a single “respect for all human life independently of ethnicity” consideration, it’s all about race.
The term Jewish is complicated, as it’s a vague concept around both ethnicity and religion. Israel has conducted military operations in Africa to save Jews that are ethnically black in the past. So it’s not exactly an ethno-state as the narratives you want to believe tell you.
For the most part Israel is the anti-antisemitsm country. Victims of antisemitsm are welcome there because in the past there were no countries that would provide sanctuary to Jews fleeing oppression. And it’s easy to see that occurring again with the rise of antisemitism around the world lately.
The term Zionist is an attempt to create a permission structure for antisemitism. Overt racism towards all Jews will turn people off. But if you create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to attack then more people will be sympathetic. Once you’ve turned people against a subset of Jews then they will look the other way on overt antisemitsm by their allies.
Look into the term “Cosmopolitan Jew”. This isn’t the first time this has happened.
I am making humanist arguments, but if you’re having trouble understanding it may be because you’re not seeing Jews as being human.
You watched starship troopers and sided with the humans… Oh wait…
FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY AND SUPER EAAAAAARTH
/c/helldivers2 is leaking again
You watched die hard and sided with the terrorists. Join the resistance bois
People side with the version of events they are told
Why is it so hard to grasp? Do you think people are siding with the resistance in the works if they’re presented as the bad guys? Did you side with Scar in Lion King?
I did… the elites were oppressing the hyenas for generations spewing out bullshit propaganda about it being cool to kill sentient beings because of some “circle of life” bullshit.
Sure, Scar wasn’t a good leader, but toppling the Mufasa regime wasn’t wrong.
Scar would have gone on to improve living conditions of zebras if only he’d had a second term.
Because this is fiction, where there is good and evil, right and wrong, the good people are rewarded and the bad people punished, successful people earned it and the poor deserve it, and complex problems have simple answers. Where every argument only has a pro and a contra.
But we are living in reality, where most things are in shades of grey, and everything is more complex than it appears. People have to make decisions based on partial knowledge, to not get stuck in indecisiveness. Where even the middle ground solution might be wrong. And with so many distractions and propaganda.
Just be kind and understanding to other people with different ideas, the real world is a complex one, and easy to get lost. Sometimes people like to flee into their simple worlds of populism, maybe through talking and listening we can help them find their way again.
Despite being a Socialist sympathetic to Anarchism, I hate these fucking homilies. Movies, except for some labeled “nonfiction”, are not made to represent reality as it is. They are made to express an emotion. Of course, it’s important to note that good and evil do exist, and laws are not always good, but so what? This is just worthless to read! What have I really learned from this that I haven’t before? How does this help people achieve good? What’s new here?
On an aesthetic note, I hate this tweet, and I have always hated Twitter, especially when it shows up on other sites. It’s been a problem since 2017. Putting “Wild.” at the end makes this snot look even more pretentious.
