Sure, and Netflix/HBO et all are still assholes for happily sending art to the glue factory when they think it makes financial sense. They deserve to be criticized for it.
“Sending art to the glue factory” is hyperbole, cmon. They’re also not restricting anyone from releasing their own stuff their own way? If you want Netflix funding, you’re going to be bound somewhat by their business, which is focused on streaming. Expecting a business to construct entire sectors to distribute art in the way you want is just… weird. Make your own fucking art with your own resources if you want to distribute it how you want.
Netflix? How can Netflix have enough power to force artists to release through their service? I’ve enjoyed tons of movies and TV from other sources. They may not have the same reach, but that’s a far cry from “forcing” you to do something. If you go with the megacorp with the most reach for your art, expect to make concessions. If you release on your own, it can be tough but you have full control. There are myriad points in the gradient between.
So now we’re talking about a completely different subject? Be mad at Netflix for canceling shows all you want, that’s fine and righteous in a lot of cases. This article is about not producing physical media though, which is not sending art to the glue factory. You should stay on topic with the article instead of inflating your argument without even telling the people you’re having a debate with to be about a subject none of us were even discussing?
I think the two are intertwined because without physical media there is no guarantee that media cannot just disappear like Spiderman at the end of Infinity War. Piracy is thankfully a safeguard to that but there’s still a conversation to be had about how easily media can just get black holed nowadays. Everyone’s busy talking about how they’re legally allowed to do that, I’m trying to say they’re morally wrong to disallow their content from physical releases. It’s also a bit ironic considering Netflix wouldn’t exist if not for physical media.
Then explain that in your original response to me? Tie them together explicitly instead of assuming everyone is on the same page. We cannot see into your mind. Like cmon, we were arguing two entirely separate issues there for a second.
All that aside, that’s a fair point. I do think there should be discussions and maybe even lawmaking had on preservation as it relates to streaming (and games and other digital media). At the end of the day though, Netflix is a funder and a distributor when it comes to art. Yeah, they produce some content also, but it’s usually just a fancier version of their funding. Either way, I cannot get away from the idea that if an artist willingly uses Netflix to fund their project, Netflix inherently is going to have rights. It’s the whole point. I just think in these cases, why should I not be upset with the artist themselves for attaching themselves to a company they know is not going to produce physical media?
I’m a developer. If I went to Google and said “Hey, can yall fund my app development?” I’m going to expect them to have requirements on their side, including primarily distributing through Google Play. I don’t think that’s a fault of Google, even if they are heinous for various other reasons (just like Netflix). And just like in the art scenario, I would be insane to complain at that point when I knowingly entered into a contract with a company I knew was going to restrict me.
I’m not always the best at connecting my ideas. You were right to dig the connection out of me, my bad.
You’re right this shouldn’t be a surprise to creators. I just worry that while streamers increasingly become the biggest players in media, the market for physical media will dwindle. Almost like the streamers taking all the air out of the room. Maybe the library of congress could do something for this, idk
That’s fair, and I should probably give people a bit more grace. My apologies if I came off as belligerent.
You’re right, this tendency is scary. As a person, I am also scared of the way almost all media has transformed in my lifetime. It’s not all bad though. As I mentioned, I’m a dev, as I know a lot of folks on Lemmy are. I’ve been fortunate enough to work in the accessibility space a bit and have conversations with people who would not have been able to enjoy media, full stop, without digitization. Paraplegics can read books, deaf people can enjoy more visual media as we develop alternatives for sound, etc. It’s easy to focus on the bad because we feel it so personally, but there is good too.
That aside, I’m with you. Preservation is going to become such an important topic. I don’t think most of this is malicious. It’s side effects of capitalism and such, for sure, but some of this is just the digital equivalent of books getting lost to time because they just weren’t popular enough to preserve. That’s sad too and has happened countless times in history, but we usually don’t view it as malicious as much as just unfortunate. Technology is a bucking bronco we are all holding onto desperately and just trying our best as a society to adjust. You, me, and all the other folks passionate about art are going to have to organize and be the solution, whether that’s through art collectives, local government, or even those pesky pirating websites nobody should use. (😉)
Sure, and Netflix/HBO et all are still assholes for happily sending art to the glue factory when they think it makes financial sense. They deserve to be criticized for it.
“Sending art to the glue factory” is hyperbole, cmon. They’re also not restricting anyone from releasing their own stuff their own way? If you want Netflix funding, you’re going to be bound somewhat by their business, which is focused on streaming. Expecting a business to construct entire sectors to distribute art in the way you want is just… weird. Make your own fucking art with your own resources if you want to distribute it how you want.
I mean they have enough power to force people to deal with them don’t they?
Netflix? How can Netflix have enough power to force artists to release through their service? I’ve enjoyed tons of movies and TV from other sources. They may not have the same reach, but that’s a far cry from “forcing” you to do something. If you go with the megacorp with the most reach for your art, expect to make concessions. If you release on your own, it can be tough but you have full control. There are myriad points in the gradient between.
No it’s not. See: Acme vs Coyote, Batgirl, and nearly 100 other things crushed by David Zaslav
So now we’re talking about a completely different subject? Be mad at Netflix for canceling shows all you want, that’s fine and righteous in a lot of cases. This article is about not producing physical media though, which is not sending art to the glue factory. You should stay on topic with the article instead of inflating your argument without even telling the people you’re having a debate with to be about a subject none of us were even discussing?
I think the two are intertwined because without physical media there is no guarantee that media cannot just disappear like Spiderman at the end of Infinity War. Piracy is thankfully a safeguard to that but there’s still a conversation to be had about how easily media can just get black holed nowadays. Everyone’s busy talking about how they’re legally allowed to do that, I’m trying to say they’re morally wrong to disallow their content from physical releases. It’s also a bit ironic considering Netflix wouldn’t exist if not for physical media.
Then explain that in your original response to me? Tie them together explicitly instead of assuming everyone is on the same page. We cannot see into your mind. Like cmon, we were arguing two entirely separate issues there for a second.
All that aside, that’s a fair point. I do think there should be discussions and maybe even lawmaking had on preservation as it relates to streaming (and games and other digital media). At the end of the day though, Netflix is a funder and a distributor when it comes to art. Yeah, they produce some content also, but it’s usually just a fancier version of their funding. Either way, I cannot get away from the idea that if an artist willingly uses Netflix to fund their project, Netflix inherently is going to have rights. It’s the whole point. I just think in these cases, why should I not be upset with the artist themselves for attaching themselves to a company they know is not going to produce physical media?
I’m a developer. If I went to Google and said “Hey, can yall fund my app development?” I’m going to expect them to have requirements on their side, including primarily distributing through Google Play. I don’t think that’s a fault of Google, even if they are heinous for various other reasons (just like Netflix). And just like in the art scenario, I would be insane to complain at that point when I knowingly entered into a contract with a company I knew was going to restrict me.
I’m not always the best at connecting my ideas. You were right to dig the connection out of me, my bad.
You’re right this shouldn’t be a surprise to creators. I just worry that while streamers increasingly become the biggest players in media, the market for physical media will dwindle. Almost like the streamers taking all the air out of the room. Maybe the library of congress could do something for this, idk
That’s fair, and I should probably give people a bit more grace. My apologies if I came off as belligerent.
You’re right, this tendency is scary. As a person, I am also scared of the way almost all media has transformed in my lifetime. It’s not all bad though. As I mentioned, I’m a dev, as I know a lot of folks on Lemmy are. I’ve been fortunate enough to work in the accessibility space a bit and have conversations with people who would not have been able to enjoy media, full stop, without digitization. Paraplegics can read books, deaf people can enjoy more visual media as we develop alternatives for sound, etc. It’s easy to focus on the bad because we feel it so personally, but there is good too.
That aside, I’m with you. Preservation is going to become such an important topic. I don’t think most of this is malicious. It’s side effects of capitalism and such, for sure, but some of this is just the digital equivalent of books getting lost to time because they just weren’t popular enough to preserve. That’s sad too and has happened countless times in history, but we usually don’t view it as malicious as much as just unfortunate. Technology is a bucking bronco we are all holding onto desperately and just trying our best as a society to adjust. You, me, and all the other folks passionate about art are going to have to organize and be the solution, whether that’s through art collectives, local government, or even those pesky pirating websites nobody should use. (😉)
That’s a great tour