wellll… defund the police. Those are very different things. Taking money away from their protection and toys, for example, and putting it into training and non-police personal has been a major point of it.
A policing force that were not fundamentally corrupt in the way police are, would necessarily be an all new organisation with all new people, and it would not be called the police. Abolish the police and replace them with something better.
If the new police, whatever you want to call them, have the power to enforce laws then they will be subject to all the same pressures as current police. Power corrupts!
The fact remains though is that there’s a very large number of people in the US who want the police to commit the violence they have. They’re voting for the politicians who pass these laws.
neither the point of pride, nor the point of Trek, has anything to do with including your oppressors/keeping your enemies closer. Unless you think Cardassians were the point?
I’m obviously asking why no cops. I don’t believe you didn’t understand that. But clearly, you’re not willing to discuss it, so I’ll withdraw the question.
Ah, well that question has been answered by others and myself elsewhere in this thread. Sorry for assuming that you might have checked to see if your question was already answered before asking it.
But hey, just for you, I’ll repost what I’ve already said:
Because the police enforce the laws of the state, often with violence. If the law dictates that a person being open about their identity is illegal regardless of the fact their identity harms no one, and everyone involved in their actions consents, than it is the responsibility of the cops to oppress them. One year the cops might march alongside people at pride, and then the laws might change and they’ll be there to bust heads of anyone who shows up the next year.
And yeah, there no doubt exist LGBTQ+ cops, or cops whose friends and/or family whom they love are LGBTQ+, but so long as they wear the uniform they represent an organization used to oppress marginalized and minority communities.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
That utterly misses the point of Pride. It’s not about revenge, it’s about reconciliation. It’s not about hatred, it’s about love. It’s not about divisiveness, it’s about coming together. It’s a good thing that police, etc. want to be in our parades. Excluding them actively harms the progress LGBT+ people have made since Stonewall.
LGBT+ people have learned not to trust the police, and so will have a hard time relaxing and enjoying themselves if they are around.
Cops have motive, means and opportunity to abuse minorities they don’t “approve” of. Therefore (and because of previous form) they have made themselves unwelcome.
Thanks for your completely sincere suggestion, which I’m sure was made in a good faith effort to have a mature and intelligent discussion on this topic, but I’m actually very well versed in LGBT+ history already.
What’s with these “no cops at Pride” comics?
police have a long and vibrant history of violent abuse of those who identify as LGBT+
Shouldn’t we be working against that, though? Isn’t that the whole point of Pride… AND TREK?
Yes, that’s why we’re trying to abolish the police
wellll… defund the police. Those are very different things. Taking money away from their protection and toys, for example, and putting it into training and non-police personal has been a major point of it.
A policing force that were not fundamentally corrupt in the way police are, would necessarily be an all new organisation with all new people, and it would not be called the police. Abolish the police and replace them with something better.
If the new police, whatever you want to call them, have the power to enforce laws then they will be subject to all the same pressures as current police. Power corrupts!
The fact remains though is that there’s a very large number of people in the US who want the police to commit the violence they have. They’re voting for the politicians who pass these laws.
They won’t be subject to being an organisation descended from slave catchers
You can find many of the same problems with police in other countries which don’t have the same ancestry.
neither the point of pride, nor the point of Trek, has anything to do with including your oppressors/keeping your enemies closer. Unless you think Cardassians were the point?
Cardassians like Tekeny Ghemor and Aamin Marritza are right in line with the point of Trek.
* woosh *
Don’t be a jerk.
Don’t invite wolves to the paddock.
It’s Pride Month.
But that’s not the part I’m asking about.
Then be specific.
Don’t be obtuse.
I’m genuinely not. Say what you mean, champ.
I’m obviously asking why no cops. I don’t believe you didn’t understand that. But clearly, you’re not willing to discuss it, so I’ll withdraw the question.
Cops are generally shitty people who don’t belong in any places where citizens express themselves.
Ah, well that question has been answered by others and myself elsewhere in this thread. Sorry for assuming that you might have checked to see if your question was already answered before asking it.
But hey, just for you, I’ll repost what I’ve already said:
That utterly misses the point of Pride. It’s not about revenge, it’s about reconciliation. It’s not about hatred, it’s about love. It’s not about divisiveness, it’s about coming together. It’s a good thing that police, etc. want to be in our parades. Excluding them actively harms the progress LGBT+ people have made since Stonewall.
People don’t want cops at pride events.
LGBT+ people have learned not to trust the police, and so will have a hard time relaxing and enjoying themselves if they are around.
Cops have motive, means and opportunity to abuse minorities they don’t “approve” of. Therefore (and because of previous form) they have made themselves unwelcome.
The Stonewall riots is a good place to start your history studies on the matter.
Thanks for your completely sincere suggestion, which I’m sure was made in a good faith effort to have a mature and intelligent discussion on this topic, but I’m actually very well versed in LGBT+ history already.
Oh, so you’re just trolling then, because I was answering honestly and you were asking in bad faith to be a troll.