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    The plan is very simple, vote for someone who is not corrupt. I will be voting for Jill Stein because that’s how democracy works.

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    My favorite thing about this comic is that even when reaching Ben garrison levels of caption, everybody is still achieving a different takeaway message.

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    A large part of the disaster we’re in is because Obama didn’t actually fix the causes of the 2007 recession, he brought interest rates to 0% which kept the economy staggering forward but was destined to cause another meltdown eventually.

    Trump kept the ball rolling but was only president for 4 years, then biden kept the ball rolling until it started to deflate.

    The reason nonvoters dont vote is because retard leftists refuse to take their share of the blame. You were a 16 year part of the problem while Trump was a 4 year one.

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          Yet strangely you focus on Biden instead of his opponent’s stance… Your hypocrisy is showing.

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            Bidens opponents stance is irrelevant. You smooth brains keep painting this as if its a choice along a spectrum.

            No one who would is voting for Trump is going to vote for Biden, and no Biden voters are going to move to Trump. Maybe an irrelevantly small portion, but so small that we can and should ignore them. The voters are locked into their preference, but they aren’t’ locked into showing up yet.

            Both candidates are competing only between themselves and staying home. Both Trump and Biden are in a race to the bottom to see who can convince more voters to stay on the couch in November.

            Maybe someday you’ll develop some semblance of political acumen to actually understand how and why elections are won in lost, but if you have any, you and the rest of the apologists sure aren’t showing it. We’re in an age of populism. The center did not hold. Obama was wrong. You win elections in a post 2016 world by people out to vote for you. Its not that complicated.

            Biden’s opponent in this election isn’t Trump.

            Its Biden.

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              No one who would is voting for Trump is going to vote for Biden, and no Biden voters are going to move to Trump. Maybe an irrelevantly small portion, but so small that we can and should ignore them.

              Around 7% of all votes cast are swing voters whose presidential preference by party is unpredictable election-to-election. Surely a teensy, tinsy amount. Nothing to worry about. I’m sure US presidential elections aren’t decided by much smaller percentages.

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                Biden needs to get Biden voters to show up. Period.

                Biden doesn’t need to be worrying about an unreliable 7% when he’s lost a reliable 10%.

                These aren’t a “maybe he’ll win, maybe he’ll lose” 10% of voters.

                These are a “Biden CAN NOT WIN THIS ELECTION without them” 10% of voters.

                Fuck the swing voters. Biden can’t get enough reliably democratic voters to vote for him. That’s an issue ORDERS of magnitude larger than trying to capture swing voters.

                People aren’t writing in “uncommited” because of Trump. They are writing in “uncommited” because of Biden. Nothing Trump does is going to change them because its not like they aren’t flipping from Biden to Trump. They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

                To the primacy that started this thread:

                Criticism of Trump is irrelevant because its not Trump hurting Biden in the polls.

                Its Biden hurting Biden in the polls.

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                  Ah, yes, everyone in the uncommitted campaign in the primary is now going to not vote, or vote third-party.

                  They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

                  Oh, cool, then they’ll in good confidence ensure a guy gets in who supports the whole-cloth genocide of multiple peoples, including the ones they’re supposedly protesting against. Great. I’ll thank them from the camp showers.

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      More like maintaining the current flow of water thru plugging and drilling additional holes.

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    I have seen so many memes like this about people not voting for Biden cause he is awful, but none saying we shouldn’t vote for him. Or any comments from people saying they won’t vote for him. This is starting to seem like the Vegan people meme.

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    These “memes” irk me beyond belief. We need to stop blaming people who are uninspired or unmotivated to vote when it’s grease-ball politicians fucking us over and complacent, spineless democrats who let them get away with it. It’s their fault we’re in this mess and we need to direct the energy and anger towards them, not the result of their machinations. Yes, voting is important, go vote, but this anger towards “non-voters” is wholly misplaced; you’re just falling into the same divide and conquer strategy of the ruling class by turning on your fellow human.

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    Ok, so I think I can see what you’re trying to say, and yes you’re right the dems aren’t actually trying to fix anything or at the very least not succeeding. BUT, fixing one hole in a boat is bad enough without having to fix more. The best course of action is always to use the votes to reduce the damage done to the country and trying to fix it from a less fucked starting point.

    Like my car lost all of the oil in the engine due to a cracked sump. You better believe I’m getting that fixed even though the rest of the car isn’t anything to write home about. Because attempting to continue driving it would be retarded. Allowing fascism to fester is a bit like driving your car after all the oil has been drained from the engine.

    Believe me if you allow fascism to take root in your country, you will have no choice other than to submit, or risk being killed. Take a look at history. Fascist dictatorships don’t usually go away without foreign intervention. And who is going to intervene when the country with the strongest military is the fascist dictatorship? If you allow this to happen, you’re taking the whole world down with you. No freedoms for anyone. Seriously fucking fix it you ignorant fucking gun monkeys!

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    Republicans understood something Democrats (and their voters) didn’t. You can’t just elect your president and that’s it, problems solved. Biden could be an angel descended from heavens, but with hostile congress, ultra-conservative courts and no cover in local states’ politics either, he can’t do shit (again, he has a ton of flaws worth criticizing)

    So what people need to realize is that the key isn’t to vote, to choose anarchy or to throw their hands up in a final display of fatalism. The key is to vote more. Vote every chance you get. A school oversight election? I’m there. Local elections? At least know who the candidates are and show up. Presidential election? Don’t wait until November to choose the lesser of two evils - engage with the primary system.

    Now, obviously, this takes a lot of time that people don’t have. It takes a lot of evergy on top of living your life, taking care of your family, working a job or several. Not to mention, if your state is late in the process, you might not even have that many candidates to choose from during your primary/caucus.

    But this is why it’s crucial for people who have that time, money and energy to do it. Do it for people who can’t afford to take a day off to go to a school-board meeting or something.

    Also, engage with your representatives. They are representing you. If you don’t agree with the way they’re voting, tell them. If they ignore you, keep the receipts and campaign for their opponent in the next primary.

    And I fully realize this is a shit-ton of work. But the other side has installed fundamentalists closing down libraries and banning books, stripping women of their rights, even if you do 'the things outside of your state… they want to register pregnancies and clamp down on women who don’t reproduce. They’ve elected people who will watch the world burn while their donors profit and the Supreme Court will make sure no harm comes to them.

    Is this true for some democrats? Yes. Is this true for all Republicans? No. Both sides have the power to choose the best people. Make sure you do your part and inspire others to do the same.

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    The reason this meme works is that it’s vague. If you zero in on a specific issue, you usually find the Dems helped drill the holes. Mass incarceration? Biden and Clinton led the charge on the largest expansion of prison-industrial complex in my lifetime. 2008 financial collapse? Clinton eliminated Glass-Steagall, which allowed banks to bundle and sell mortgages-backed securities. Iraq and Afghanistan? Bush may have started the wars, but Obama not only failed to end them, he created an unaccountable drone assassination program that killed thousands of civilians. Biden is rescheduling Marijuana, and that’s great, but he also co-sponsored anti-drug legislation in '86 and '88 that gave us draconian mandatory minimums. Are we gonna pretend he didn’t drill that hole?

    Anyway, I’m not gonna sit here and pretend the parties are the same; the Republicans have been complete ghouls for my entire life, and now they’re fascist ghouls. But let’s not pretend that the Democrats are just well meaning idealists fighting against the Republicans and apathetic voters. They’ve done plenty to help sink the ship.

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    Strip em naked. Plug the hole with the clothes. Dump the naked fucks over the side for shark bait

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    I would imagine the Dem looking at the Republican and say “don’t do it again”, then turn towards the non-voter and say “the boat is now repaired” and then sit down pleased with himself.

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      While also complaining about the boat going slower under democrat leadership as they had to stop rowing to fix the hole

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      You’re not wrong. But I don’t have much sympathy for people cheering on the boat sinking and everyone drowning because the Dems are a bunch of dumb, unimaginative, spineless twats.

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        It’s a terrible situation all around. Especially considering the anti-trans bills already coming out. I think the biggest issue is we can only vote for senators in our state, meaning it’s go big or go home. You should probably remind people the importance of voting for congress.

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          That’s what pisses me off so goddamn much about this BiDeN BaD TrUmP BaD bullshit pissing contest.

          IT’S ABOUT CONGRESS AND THE JUDGES THEY PICK.

          just look at the last decade. It wasn’t the president doing the most damage and changing law, it was the scotus

          Republicans used to go on and on about “activist judges” because that was their exact plan. Install partisan judges and have lawsuits come up in favorable locations (looking at you 5th circuit from hell) that can then work their way up to the conservative rubber stamp that is our current scotus.

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          Yeah. I have an uphill battle in my state, because a legitimately popular former governor is running for the GOP in the Senate position that opened up.