• RickyRigatoni@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 years ago

      Provides a single point of failure for a large portion of the internet that nobody else has any control over?

      • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 years ago

        While that can indeed be considered an issue, the idea that this somehow makes the internet objectively worse is debatable.

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Well no but I heard other people say it’s bad and give some half reasons why. Why do I need to understand the tech if I just want to be mad about it? /s

          Fr though cloudflare is a giant, but they give some hardcore protections to little guys like me. If they ever were bad to me I’d switch to akamai or something. Plus if we’re going to talk about monopolizing the web let’s talk about Google, Azure, and AWS.

      • AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        Using cloudflare is more reliable than using your own stuff which is still an option that nobody chooses anymore because it’s better to choose cloudflare or something similar.

        I’m going to go ahead and assume you don’t work with internet security in any way, have no experience in web development, and have never attempted to provide web application services to more people than you can count on your fingers, but if you had, cloudflare is mana from heaven.

        • foggy@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          This persons main connection to the internet is hentai.

          Just… save your braincells.

  • Destide@feddit.ukEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Literally trying to figure out if Cloudflare or tailscale would be the best way to go. The memes have spoken

    • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 years ago

      Don’t use memes to make decisions I’m just mad I can’t use the discord app on my desktop, can’t download manga from nhentai without jumping through hoops anymore, and have to solve 5 captchas in a row when I use a vpn which is all the time.

    • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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      2 years ago

      There are benefits and costs. Cloudflare makes it easy to maintain high uptime as a small site sysadmin at the cost of free DDoS protection isn’t actually free. Cloudflare turns all users of websites that employ it into the products of surveillance capitalism

      • foggy@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        Only because no one does what they do as well as they do it.

        If they had competition, that wouldn’t be the case. Sadly, there are very few other good guys out there…

          • foggy@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            There exists competition, they’ve just been doing it consistently well at a large scale for awhile.

            They’ve done nothing to prevent competition, because they’re legit AF. The competition just hasn’t put a dent in their market share because they’re excellent at what they do.

        • kautau@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          Agreed, and I would say what cloudflare does for the internet (their work on the IETF, generally letting small sites stay alive without needing an SRE to worry about DDoS attacks, etc) outweighs the general negative possibility of them being a potential single point of failure

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Shhhh you can’t just be reasonable here. This guy watched a YouTube video, he knows what he’s talking about

          If cloudflare decided not to host my server I would have a bit of downtime, a couple of hours, but I’d be up again on someone else’s CDN tomorrow. I don’t think OP understands the role of cloudflare at all.

        • 30p87@feddit.de
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          2 years ago

          Well the admin of a site could opt out of using cloudflare for the time being, a user could do literally nothing. Errors in Cloudflare can easily take down their servers and therefore the CDN and access to like 20% of websites. And Bugs in Cloudflare can even leak user data.

          So cloudflare can grant DDOS Protection, CDNs and other exploiting protection, but can take down large parts of everything, temporarily or permanently.

  • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I hopped in this thread then shortly thereafter got redirected to a cloudfare bad gateway page. It’s a conspiracy.

    • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 years ago

      don’t listen to the nerds, cloudfare is trying to steal your soul and sell it to the Big Capybara industry.

  • primalmotion@lemmy.antisocial.ly
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    11 months ago

    I am baffled seeing so much cloudflare fanboys here…

    Cloudflare is everywhere, it sees everything, it holds everything, it has private keys for tons and tons of websites, it’s subject to the absence of any privacy law in the US, but they are “nice”. Wow.

    Google also was nice. It used to give you good results. Twitter also was nice.

  • InvaderDJ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Honestly, I don’t know how any end user who doesn’t understand IT and wasn’t around before services like Cloudflare were available can say this. They objectively don’t have the information or experience to make the claim.

    • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 years ago

      I’ve been using the intermet since 2003 and have seen no difference except when cloudfare breaks.

      • idkwhatimdoing@sh.itjust.works
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        2 years ago

        Yes, the internet is much bigger than it was in 2003, and it needs more complex protective tools. The fact that you haven’t noticed cloudflare when it is working is a sign that it is, well, working.

        And the fact that your favorite sites aren’t down more often is yet another sign. Downtime due to DDOS attacks alone would be so much greater without cloudflare than downtime due to cloudflare currently is. Your perspective is a pure lack of knowledge and an excess of confirmation bias.

          • foggy@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            That’s the thing about not respecting you – I don’t value any of your opinions.

            Being so willing to pontificate about something you know so little about, I don’t think any one will value your opinion in this thread. At least, they shouldn’t lol.

      • InvaderDJ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Have you ever self hosted a website? Was that a modern website, or just a bunch of text? Are you experienced with uptime SLAs on multiple services? Have you ever had to deal with a DDOS attack?

        There are lots of things that Cloudflare does that requires experience and knowledge to notice or understand. And it isn’t even the biggest single point of failure when it comes to the Internet. When AWS has an outage for instance there is a huge chunk of the Internet that goes down.

        There are problems with the centralization of the Internet. But this happened for a reason, and it has been so long and these services have been so reliable that people don’t even realize what it was like before.

        • foggy@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          I can answer that for you! No. They have never self hosted a website. In fact, I doubt they have ever connected to a website via any protocol beyond http/https. I’d bet a paycheck on it.