drop version 5 and people might start fucking using it again.
Mumble even though it’s literally dead, is a better platform.
Matrix and XMPP both support this shit also. This is literally a skill issue.
At a glance it looks like Mumble is not dead at all, latest “preview” release is from last month
i dont think the software is “dead dead” but i think it’s dead from the aspect that it seems to be stagnant, which to be clear, isn’t a bad thing. It just feels a little bit like it’s still 2012 everytime you open mumble.
It’s a tad bit disappointing, considering i love it so much. But i don’t think anything else will properly replace it.
Here I am self-hosting Mumble for friends & using Mumble at work. Old tech was built to actually be good on resources.
+1 for Mumble. I set up a load of Android PoC devices with a Mumble server and it’s honestly like having walkie-talkies that work over the Intertubes.
My phone has extra buttons, so I use the camera shutter for hardware push-to-talk
Past memory unlocked.
Vi sitter här på venten och spelar lite DOTA
"Get off vent or get bent "
Blow it out your ass
Ventrilo was the shit back then.
My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.
If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app
Nah bro that’s just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application
Memory is cheap nowadays, so that’s a feature /s
I bought the whole RAM, I’m gonna use the whole RAM
people will come back if the bloat/ad-trend of discord continues… hopefully?
nah I’ll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I’ll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?
vencord, hands down best modding client for the job. Just browse their catalog of avalabile plugins and get yourself a better experience ;D
✋ paying for discord nitro
👉👉 paying your favorite client mod dev
Are there modded clients for mobile?
Yes. Aliucord is stuck in the past BUT is running the NATIVE version of the app (not the shitty slow electron one).
Vendetta Manager, discontinued but there is a fork that works. Up to date with discord.
Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you’d recommend?
It seems many don’t remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.
Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I’ll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.
Revolt should be next in the cycle
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Don’t you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That’s a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it’s a service model so you’re dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
At some point, monetization will take over.
I don’t think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
Fair point, but if you need to switch anyway you might want to pick an available option that solves at least the issue being currently faced.
The again, we’ve moved back a lot to throw away mentality.
just for ARMA stuff, like ACRE
That TS integration plugin was sooo good
Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
Very pathetic in any other scenario though.
Mumble is super popular with EVE Online players still, no? Because of the support for a large number of users in a single room
I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.
Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.
Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.
teams peak real
twins peak
Can confirm. Goonswarm still needs Mumble because we have thousands of players that need to listen to the weekly fireside.
Yep, Mumble is the most common, and there are still a couple groups that use Teamspeak.
Discord caps at 100 people in a call while I’ve seen good Mumble servers handle over 800.
For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS
Also supports positional audio which was very cool wheb first introduced for voip
The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
Where else are you going to suck balls… All day… Because you like it so much?
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don’t think that’s unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA…
it’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now
I hear you man
oh man, you’ve gotten it stuck in my head too!
Culturally relevant marketing. https://youtu.be/qTsaS1Tm-Ic
Vent was super lightweight, and easy to use. It’s why it lasted so long.
I had completely forgotten about Ventrilo, Team Speak, and Mumble. This whole post is a blast from the past.
Yea last vent server I ran was like 10+ years ago now… maybe even longer.
A lot of WoW people used vent and so people just used what they were used to
I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
how is discord malware?
Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
That’s not malware, that’s just a bad product
hyperbole, ever heard about it?
Can you use it in a sentence?
“Discord is bad product, hyperbolically said, it works like a malware.”
Isn’t TeamSpeak proprietary though?
Yes, but free
If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
If you can trust them not to do anything bad then they can trust you with the source
So you’re just trusting them to not do anything bad?
I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.
How often you read the source codes of your tool?
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
I used TS for the first time in like 15 years litterally two days ago, funny timing.
Yeah, I lost EVE. Again.
Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
would recommend trying out mumble, it’s pretty slick.
Does mumble integrate with Element?
There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn’t integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
Those are text bridges though are they not?
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
Didn’t know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
Have to test it but guides suggest that it’s possible
I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn’t have a mic, doesn’t use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.
Omg… he finally speaks
