So neuro divergent are just autistic?
Yah not loving how nd just becomes whichever one you’re thinking of, or just some vague difference. It’s like the “Asian” of cognitive differences.
Like ocd and bpd exist, for examples.
I mean I do it sometimes too, but it does exclude
There’s some people who aren’t neurodivergent and do the same. Some people just don’t want to follow rules they don’t understand, which can be pretty annoying
If you can’t explain your rule so it makes sense, your rule is shit and you expecting others to follow it are the actual annoying person.
Very often the reasoning is “convention”. Is that good enough?
If we would blindly follow convention people would still not wash their hands before operating.
Convention alone is not enough. There should be a reason why this convention is needed. And that’s the part that has to be more convincing than “it has always been like that”.
Sound exhausting. If my company tells me to use times new Roman I will just use times new roman instead of investing hours in an investigation.
I’d rather ask if it’s okay to use arial or another sans serif font, than blindly use Times New Roman. And even if I’m forced to, I’d try to undermine this “rule” as much as possible because TNR is not a good screen font.
I’ve heard plenty of unreasonable people say this about completely reasonable rules. Hell, I’ve heard someone say this about seatbelts, “it doesn’t make sense how it isn’t my own decision” lol
Sometimes people just don’t get something. Doesn’t mean the rule is bad if you don’t get it lol
A seatbelt you can’t adjust the height would actually strangle me in a crash. Not that i don’t put it on, but there might be reasons in some cases.
The only argument you need is, can you catch 200 lbs going 45 mph? 25 mph? 1 mph? If the answer is bro, I can’t catch 200 lbs, wear your fucking seat belt.
Now do that with one of the belts going over your neck.
Just fucking teach your children why, if you can’t explain the reason, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it
As a kid I got in so much trouble just for asking why. Some teachers perceived it as their authority being challenged.
IMHO most people are not curious enough to have thought about why a rule exists.
I always want to know why a rule exists. I respect people enough to explain why a rule exists too.
This does lead to awkward situations where the rain why the rule exists is bullshit or worse.
I do this to my son as I am a person who wants to know why things are as they are. At least when he doesn’t listen. Does not help really but I feel better explaining at least.
Exactly. Put the fucking shopping carts where they belong! But also don’t get onto me for riding it into the coral like a bobsled led by imaginary bears.
Is that really a rule, or more of a suggestion?
Wear a shirt that asks that question when I am guiding my cart led by bears into the coral reef corral! I dare you! Heathen! Miscreant! Obsturctor of order! Suggestiquator of squalor! You fool! The coral corral exists for a purpose! How will you navigate the parking lots, nay, STREETS…when they are filled with stray shopping carts! YOU SHANT, AND WE WILL ALL SUFFER FOR YOUR QUESTIONING OF THE ORDER DEMANDED!!!
How do the bears exit the cart corral?
By bribing the herder
One does not herd bears. One asks bears.
Think of cats as opposed to dogs.
Fair, by bribing the butler then?
“Bribing The Butler” sounds like a sitcom.
No, it’s all about mutual respect. Affinity, in some situations.
In my messenger bag, which is cave-like and bigger on the inside.
I said coral, though. It’s a reef because they are reefer bears.
Politely offer them a marijuana joint in exchange for not swimming through the delicate ecosystem.
Same way they got in.
wouldn’t they have to climb over the cart you rode in?
i mean, i’m sure it’s not a problem. bears are agile climbers.
Even easier: they’re imaginary bears, just imagine then outside the corral.
Ah, I see the problem: I’m imagining real bears. I need to imagine imaginary bears.
Let that be a lesson to you.
If you don’t have an imagination within your own imaginations or the imaginations of others, it’s time to expand the realm of endless possibilities within your very own imagination!!!
And I do this through the power of imagination presumably?
Right on, good answer. AWAHOoOoO
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passes ayahuasca cup & obligatory puke bucket
Ghost bears
The ghost bears are only here for support.
Alas, they cannot interact with physical objects.
Is riding carts autism or just being a kid for life? I still do this and DOS was my first OS…
What version though? I think we started around 4.0. We were rocking a Tandy 1000 as our first “real” PC 😄 I still remember some amount of fanfare surrounding 6.2, 6.21, 6.22 lol
i forgot about Tandy PCs! 🥲 i liked the name lol
Are you me or am I you?
Edit: did you ever play with paint on Win 98 like it was a battlefield? And if so, what are your feelings on Worldbox?
Pretty sure it’s just people feeding their inner child. The rule thing is real, though.
upvote for DOS family!
🤘🙂↕️ started on 2.0 on my grandfather’s dual floppy pc.
dir/c://friend/hug.exedir/p
Try to figure out why you would have that be a rule if you don’t get it though. There are some rules that you will never get explained why, but if you think from their perspective it can actually become clear of, yes this might be a kind of arbitrary rule in some cases, but it shows that you are capable of figuring out and following arbitrary rules.
Like how, I forget which band it is, puts in their contract that all the brown or green or whatever M&Ms have to be put into a separate bowl, because one time the people did not read or follow the setup instructions and people almost fucking died. They can walk into the dressing room and immediately see if the instructions have been followed based on a bowl of M&Ms
That’s why it’s a disability. I literally have to know why I’m doing something or it becomes a ridiculous slog.
I am not capable of following arbitrary rules that I know are arbitrary, because they are arbitrary and I’m not a robot. That’s stupid as fuck.
Very few rules are arbitrary. A rule may be bad, or no longer relevant, but there must have been a reason someone went to the trouble of making it. Once you can figure out that purpose, you can accept or reject it. But until then, you must consider the possibility that your knowledge is simply incomplete.
I explicitely said not to just shut the fuck up and do what you are told. Either all rules are arbitrary or none are, as all rules are to achieve a specific goal and there is no logical way to get an aught from an is statement. Figure out the goal and decide from there, as in the example given: goal make sure that we don’t die to them not following our instructions, so make one extremely arbitrary rule that would be one of the first things people like you would skip because they don’t see the point in making sure that everything is set up exactly right. A decent number of rules are exactly like that, a quick vibe check to see at a glance if you are going to do the “arbitrary rules” that don’t have an obvious reason but never the less have an actual important reason behind them.
If it’s arbitrary then it literally has no importance and is unnecessary. That’s what arbitrary means.
Arbitrary in this case means it doesn’t specifically matter but it still can overall. Like what specifically you choose to eat is arbitrary, but that you eat at all is important.
No. My god. No, thats not how that fucking works. That not at all what is being discussed. You guys act like authoritarianism and theocracy doesn’t exist. There are a lot of rules that people insist exist only to practice making you follow rules. You people are fucking sheep.
Edit: To be clear to all the reactionaries, not every rule is arbitrary, sure, I’m talking about the actually arbitrary rules that you blank slates insist don’t exist. If you’ve ever worked a corporate job you know exactly what I’m tqlkimg about.
I also don’t understand why you’re downvoted. Arbitrary rules are bullshit, and the majority of rules that exist are absolutely arbitrary.
Lemmy, home of the rebels and revolutionaries, obviously.
Proves a point I make a lot. 90% of every demographic of anything is fake. They can call themselves leftists but sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken. Just a bunch of fucking reactionaries, no more, no less.
Guess I’m not neurodivergent then anymore?
If it’s any comfort, a lot of posts here are just a quirky, autism-flavored horoscope. With a neurodevelopmental disorder that both affects tons of areas of cognition/social development and is situated on a pretty broad spectrum, you’re probably going to find ways of understanding rules in people with autism are generally different than in neutotypical people.
I don’t know of any good studies that explore rule learning in autistic children/people generally, but I can imagine – even as someone autistic who vaguely relates to the post – that the experience is much more diverse than these “autistic people be like”-type Tumblr posts.
Also, this post is clearly substituting “neurodiversity” for “the neurodiversity I specifically have”, given “neurodivergent” is extremely wide-ranging to include things like dyslexia and Tourette’s
Which is also known as “common sense”
I genuinely thought that was everyone. Who just follows bullshit roles that lack substance or explanation - oh, right.
I have a hard time believing its not everyone because it makes zero sense to me why you wouldnt think through something critically.
I think this is the great pandemic. I don’t know if I have a skewed world view, but I so many people are in survival mode all the time that they don’t have the time to think about these things where those with autism don’t have the option not to.
I don’t think that these people want to live like ostriches, but I they’re so preoccupied with our current state of things that the energy and time simply aren’t available.
Having some time to sit quietly and consider your situation is a luxury few can afford.
You might choose to follow a nonsense rule because you know it would be against your best interest to refuse.
“You cant do that, its not normal!”
Posts like this make me think I’m autistic but I think I’m too old to get tested. I don’t really care anyway. I’m probably “high functioning” enough.
This is not exclusive to autistic people at all.
I’m right there with you, but what would be the point of acquiring the label be, too?
I mean, I’ve made it this far without the label.
Accommodations, closure, and validation. I didn’t bother getting one myself. But it can get you things like being allowed to use earmuffs at work or extra time in exams
I cannot relate to the first part. I love rules. I’m never like, that’s a stupid rule. I’m like, yay a rule, I will absorb this and follow it forever, so I don’t do the wrong thing.
What do you do in a situation with two conflicting rule-makers?
I’ve never been in that situation, but I would inform both of them and ask for guidance. Or, if it’s a kind of situation where like, a sign posted says one thing but the person in front of me is directing me to do something else, I will do what the person in front of me is directing me to do.
Hahahaha. That’s not “autism”. That’s just “normal”. Right?
…Right?
…right?
…right?
I swear, at this point, Padme’s beasts fill the entire panel.
…right?
Shit I thought this was ADHD but maybe its more autism. Literally since I was 5 I recall thinking to myself that unless I know the exact reasoning behind a task I will not do it. I’m still this way at work. If its an easy but meaningless task I’ll take a whole day to do it. Difficult but meaningful task? I’m done in an hour.
More people have some levels of both, that those who only have one
Same! Over the course of my life I’ve frequently alienated managers at work because I always ask them to explain the rules they talk about and they interpret that as “talking back” and think of me as a rebel with an attitude problem. It’s annoying.
These days I ask them to explain a rule because it will help me REMEMBER the rule, which is technically true and doesn’t offend them as much.
Yoo…so that means im neurodivergent?? Cause I do this ya’ll
mfer you use lemmy. of course you are.
Um…im sorry did you just call me a motherfucker? Lol 🤣🤣Im not one. But also, Im not believing i am neurodivergent. Im stating just a general curious question. Cause everyone can be different, and not be diagnosed with that. And i do follow rules once i understand them. Cause some people wont explain it fully at first, or even go all the way on them. I was also being somewhat sarcastic asking cause that stuff doesnt mean you can be fully neurodivergent. and me using this platform doesnt mean that either. Let me just make that clear✌
Life for most of us is just following a bunch of laws you may or may not agree with so you can keep working 40+ hours a week and spending all your money on basic survival
Neurodivergent people are not a monolith.
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