They say “anti-zionism is not antisemitism” right before accusing the “Far left” of antisemitism? Sounds like they cant tell the difference between Left and right.
Anyone acting anti-Jewish is more likely to be aligned with reactionaries than with the left, no matter what they claim about their alignment. With maybe some rare exceptions for peoples in the Middle East dealing with the murderous nature of zionism directly, who as a result have some fair reasons to end up conflating zionism and Judaism in their minds; though even then, they are better off for recognizing the difference than falling into step with the narrative that zionists create.
Note that I say anti-Jewish rather than anti-semitic, as zionists have so muddied up the term anti-semitic as to make it virtually meaningless. And, importantly, zionists themselves are sometimes anti-Jewish, prioritizing imperialism and colonization over benefit of actual Jewish people (“sometimes” may be a major understatement, but I don’t feel confident in quantifying the extent to which zionism throws Judaism under the bus in order to serve its goals - I just know it is a thing). Judaism is used as a vehicle by zionists and it is going to be important to forcibly separate them, mainly for the sake of the victims of zionism’s violence, but also for the sake of Jewish people themselves, whose identity is being subsumed by a cult-like rabid thirst for expansionist, settler violence.
In dialectical terms, we could probably say zionism is the primary contradiction when it comes to Jewish safety and identity? Zionism is poised as the answer to fears of existential threat to Jewish people and Judaism, but has become in itself an existential threat to Judaism and Jewish people, on top of the existential threat it creates for the Palestinian people and others in the region. To put it in religious terms, the price of this ephemeral, worldly “safety” through settler colonialism is nothing less than their souls.
I may not have the best response here so forgive me if I do sound anti-Jewish but it is important to acknowledge that there are Jewish people who do benefit and prefer from Zionism. There is a point where we can’t simply seperate everyone that way when many still support Zionism especially because it benefits them materially, and it will take many efforts of Jewish Anti-Zionists before we can get to a point where we can seperate them more clearly when as far as Zionists are concerned, very few actual consequences have happen to them and they are in the state of being consistently supported by the U.S. regardless of what retaliation happens. We shouldn’t hate Jewish people but we should not coddle them when they do act for or in the benefit of Zionism.
Of course, we should always been on the vigliance for reactionary and opportunists who do seek to spread geniune Anti-Jewish hatred but it is becoming alot harder to not fall into Zionism’s trap when it is a reactionary feedback loops that likely works on those not in the know. We can’t really expect people who are angry there is no justice ever delivered to Zionists, while the world continues to do nothing for Palestine and Lebanon because the West benefit materally from their suffering and will do anything to slience them.
Did it sound like I was saying to coddle them? I’m a bit confused.
I’d say that the last half of your message uses the logic of liberal Zionism.
Jewish people are not an oppressed group and they benefit directly from Zionism and the Zionist entity. Not only do they materially benefit but they are the ones pulling the trigger, dropping the bombs, and committing genocide in the name of expanding a project of jewish supremacy.
Half of the total world population of Jewish people live in israel and over 80 percent of the diaspora in the imperial core support the continued existence of israel. Judaism and Zionism are linked, not because of some magical or eugenicist understanding of race science but because Jewish people materially benefit from their involvement in a Jewish supremacist project in much a similar way that white people in the US benefit from their involvement in their white supremacist project of settler colonialism and being the world hegemon of capitalism-imperialism.
Being racist to Jewish people is like saying you’re being racist against white people.
We are over a century into the Zionist project, decades into the development of the Zionist entity, and years into the lastest phase of the genocide and the continued centering of the feelings of those commiting a genocide is an example of liberal Zionism. Jewish people are not victims of Zionism. Their culture is not being consumed by some other. Zionism is the ideology of a settler colonial project that seeks to create a racial hierarchy where Jewish people benefit from their oppression of Arab people.
Being racist to Jewish people is like saying you’re being racist against white people.
You could probably fairly make this comparison between zionism and white, but not Jewish and white. White is an identity constructed solely for the purpose of oppressing others in a racial hierarchy, not unlike how zionism is an identity constructed for the purpose of justifying colonization and genocide. Judaism is neither of those things now or inherently, but because zionism has, for lack of a better way to put it, largely taken ownership of Judaism, it’s easy for people to conflate the two. Judaism and being Jewish has non-oppressive reason to exist beyond zionism. Zionism has no good reason to exist. This is what I mean when I talk about it being subsumed. It’s not that I’m saying Jewish people are all oppressed victims, else I wouldn’t be saying things like:
To put it in religious terms, the price of this ephemeral, worldly “safety” through settler colonialism is nothing less than their souls.
What I’m trying to dig into is the dialectical relationship and the lies of zionism. Zionism operates on this false idea of securing Jewish safety, while creating the conditions for Jewish people to be re-victimized all over again when israel finally falls and people have a hard time seeing the difference between zionist and Jewish because of how deeply they have been tied together in order to further the settler project. The US is the biggest ally of israel, yet also had significant business ties to Nazi Germany, worked with Nazis after the war in order to further anti-communism. It’s also worth noting that not all zionists are Jewish.
This is the naked opportunism of colonialism and imperialism, seizing on the harm done to one group to make use of it for harm done to another. Allying based on what helps the empire dominate, not based on consistent ideology, much less principle or ethics. The more Jewish people stand up and separate themselves out from zionism, reject it outright, and there are some trying, the harder it is for the zionist project to survive and the easier it will be for Jewish people in the world to get by without getting victimized again. But the more Jewish people embrace zionism, insist safety is found in it, in backing a project that shamelessly does genocide and reproduces a cult culture of constant wartime, the more things will unravel for Jewish people going forward.
When I talk of forcibly separating, it will probably have to be by force. Either through external force applied to them, or via a militant rupture between zionist elements and Jewish people who reject zionism (or more likely some of both). Else the limited protestations there are among Jewish people will be lost in the sea of things as little more than “peaceful protest”.
Does that make sense or are we on a different page?
Edit: Also, this isn’t with the intent to “center the suffering of Jewish people” or something. The whole reason it was the topic of my reply is because the thread is about allegations of “rising antisemitism” and the point is to dissect the realities of what is actually going on and why, rather than going with the narrative zionists provide.
My apologies for the accusations on the coddle aspect. We are also in different internet bubbles but I am wary of discussions around the topic of antisemitism because it has been used by Liberal Zionists to basically sow discord on that aspect. Many of Palestinians and Arabs in my bubble who don’t engage in any antisemitism/anti-jewish sentiments at all are often the target of Liberal Zionists accusations of antisemitism/anti-jewish sentiments when they point out Jewish supremacist aspects in Zionism.
I trust you to have the answers which is why I replied the way that I did. This clarification helped where the initial paragraph at least read off in my end as a little close to excusing them while playing lip-service to Palestinians in the last sentence.
Fair enough, thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. I was concerned, in light of the responses, that I was coming off too apologist about it, but also somewhat confused because I didn’t know in what way.
I suspect the difference is you and some others are coming more from the perspective of dealing with zionist bullshit often and I’m coming more from the perspective of seeing headlines about nazi rallies / resurgent neo-nazis (however rarely), which looks indicative of some resurgent hatred of Jewish people in an opportunistic manner, not just anti-zionism. Both are part of the whole picture, but the priority of course is liberation for Palestine and I would rather others call me out on it if my language seems too apologist of zionism than let it slide.
A fucking mayor’s mandate was all it took for the DSA to show its true colors.
Yup.
antisemitism is spreading and being normalized in online far-left circles
really good reaction image
Antisemitism on the left is a Zionist lie.
Unless they consider fringe movements like ACP ‘left’.
You’d have to be especially stupid to think those grifters are even remotely serious.
Liberals indeed are (including the demsocs).
Honest to god most of them don’t even bother making a difference. Fuckers will sit there and smug-lecture you smartest-boy-in-the-room style like they’re reddit-pol Sheldon but literally cannot tell the difference between DSA and Communists unless you use the term “tankie” then it just means ebil seeseepee shill.
