A lot of foreign people telling us to get violent without organizing just want to see dead USA citizens despite any political persuasion. Rebellion is needed but those people can fuck right off.
Many of us want to rise up, but any discussion of that is forbidden on Lemmy. Discussing a proper solution to an infestation of conservatives will get you banned from Lemmy communities. Meanwhile, conservative platforms permit their discussions of how to delete us.
We need a way to communicate and organize against conservatives or we will just be randomly committing violence without any direction, cohesion or purpose. This will result in conservatives slaughtering us. What platform is available that will allow us to properly organize against conservatives?
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Not that I often find myself in this cycle, but I don’t tend to let sub-literate yaps get under my skin, so 🤷🏼♂️
Merikkka is a zombie corp a dildo for the global capitalist elite, politcians are legislative sluts that bamboosle the masses into thinking the rules are the rules, cops are uber cucks and the rest of us are sitting idol agruing about stupid sheet. Jump Please. For once in your lifetime it is ok to drink the coolaid. If not you then history shows it will be the fascist. Either way justice will be served. Loops, poops and dupes
Where ya from, cowboy?
The Simpsons. They’re Lemmy Guy.
Hello, I’m one of these people.
It’s not that dubious. Either Americans find the bravery, strength, courage and determination we all once tought was basic yank DNA inherent in their grandfathers and great grandfathers, and overthrow the corpo billionaire mob in the White House, House & Senate and Supreme Court, or - and this is where it gets selfish
Wait another few years to be liberated by a bunch of weird talking, second guessing wusses from shithole countries to come and do the liberation for you.
That’s the only loop I’m seeing, so you’re welcome for the encouragement.
The time to go to Ed Sheeran concerts, watch the superbowl and make a black friday shopping list is over, you’re under siege and you’re not acting like it. (Tbf, that last part goes for Europe too)
E: Sorry pele, I didn’t see you were the OP, but we established this disagreement before
We (Americans) are well past the phase at which a French revolution style uprising would be at all effective. It would only give the powers in charge to excuse they need to crack down hard and openly seize more power.
The only chance we have for any level of meaningful change is for our supposed “allies” to develop a fucking conscience and commit to providing humanitarian and military support to those of us who oppose this shit.
However, that will never happen. The European powers can’t even commit to defending one of their neighbors when they’re being actively invaded by a clearly hostile foreign nation. They’re not even willing to defend themselves when that same hostile nation regularly violates their airspace and bombs their airports.
If you’re not willing to defend Ukraine why should we expect that you will help us?
This isn’t a French revolution scenario this is a nazi-occupied France scenario. Except there are no allies, there will be no D-Day, there will be no liberation.
They don’t need excuses to crack down on anything, they’re going to do that shit anyway, your pacifism is worthless
It would only give the powers in charge to excuse they need to crack down hard and openly seize more power.
They’re doing it whether you fight back or not.
ICE fucked off out of Minnesota after they got enough pushback to be uncomfortable for them. And, yes, there were horrible sacrifices made, but in the end, the ICEholes left.
I’m sorry you’re feeling so down about it.
I did say in a couple of years. And you underestimate the impossible capacity of joint human willpower when we are put with our backs against the wall.
Many in Europe in the early 40’s would have echoed your sentiment if not said it word for word. It was because of contrarian optimists the dam eventually broke, not to mention the natural cycle of totalitarianism, when the total lunatic in charge eventually overcommits their armed forces.
Do not confuse the lack of allegiance to your Orange Pedophile with a lack of care about your people. You may be right that the time for a revolution is past you, but you’re not right to give up. When the time comes, many new alliances will form and come to your aid as you once did for us.
Couldn’t be me. I need to find out who on this internet board is a Nazi and be seen by everyone saying “Nazis are bad”.
There are hidden Nazis everywhere though! Aka liBz
Right? I swear this site has the equivalent of those Ww2 soldiers holding out in the Philippines, still fighting a cultural conversation that ended back in 2018
There are Nazis running America and Israel right now, the hell you mean it ended in 2018?
My bad. I just forgot all the Nazi regimes that calling people Nazi on the internet has stopped. I guess we have to or else Trump might win again
Agreed! I’m honestly surprised this comment hasn’t been removed yet. I’ve been banned from communities for making very similar comments. We need to be able to openly discuss how to solve the problem of conservatives existing in order to solve the problem of conservatives existing.
You can tell what kind of people are talking about this shit on this site by the fact that you guys keep pretending that US resistance fighters aren’t incredibly durable and relentless. People have fought this regime harder and longer than any European countries did. You people think people haven’t tried? You think the US has fucking militarized police just because?
Okay but everything has only ever gotten worse and I don’t think any revolution will change that. What revolution has?
Most of them. At the very least, Vietnam. Would they be better off still under a colonial system?
That doesn’t necessarily mean revolution is suited to the present conditions. I just find this idea that revolutions never accomplish anything to be bafflingly ahistorical.
Would they be better off still under a colonial system?
That’s a false dichotomy, be a colony vs revolt violently aren’t the only 2 options.
Are you joking? They literally were. That’s why they violently revolted.
Yeah, I’m sure the people who were willing to indiscriminately drop chemical weapons and slaughter civilians would have just left them alone if they just asked nicely. What?
Those are definitely your only options, read a book
Revolutions accomplish things, but the old problems creep back in because we are humans and we can’t not fuck things up.
For example, Russia used to be ruled by one person, propped up by wealthy elites. It still is, but it used to be too.
Why bother eating when you’re just going to get hungry again?
Exactly. Coming down from the trees was our second mistake. Leaving the water was the first.
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But you still eat.
Yes, but I know that revolutions are not necessary for life, and hold no expectations that large groups of people will ever act rationally
Frankly I think that most of what you’re talking about isn’t really relevant. The question of whether revolutions produce positive or negative results is a political and historical one. Musings on the human condition, feelings of hopelessness and despair, cynicism, those are just reflections of your mental state, and is shit for you to work out. It’s not a reflection of reality.
When we actually study history, and look at facts and evidence, comparing before and after, then it’s clear that revolutions do have the capacity to improve things, at least in certain conditions. It doesn’t have to be a necessary part of life, that’s not really the question. Why go through life limiting yourself to only what is necessary?
Will things get worse again a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand years from now? While Vietnam is still better off today than it would’ve been otherwise, it’s true that at a certain point, the sun will explode. But why is that an argument for not doing something as opposed to doing something? If everything blows up in our faces and we make a whole mess of things, that mess, too, will be temporary and will pass.
Regardless, even if life is destined to be nothing but suffering for all eternity, it is still human nature to strive against that, and if it’s all hopeless anyway then there’s no harm in trying shit.
As I said, you strive against hunger by eating, even knowing that it won’t last. So why is it that I shouldn’t strive against oppression, just because it may not last?
It has not only gotten worse.
Oh, how I wish some of these posters were educated in history! “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” — George Santayana
Pacifism is lovely and all, but it’s not all “dubious foreign instigators”.
I think most Europeans are just bemused at this point. The country that has been for decades defending its very specific constitutional amendment, about everyone having easy access to guns in order to fight tyranny, would then so easily capitulate to tyranny.
The country that has been for decades defending its very specific constitutional amendment, about everyone having easy access to guns in order to fight tyranny, would then so easily capitulate to tyranny.
Boy, do you not understand the nuances. Europe has their own problems right now and should watch out for the same thing happening there. The ones screaming about 1st Amendment and 2A are the fascists and currently the ones ruining our country. They say and do what they want, ya know, cause they’re fascists. Also, they cheat and even bragged about cheating.
Sure but the “non fascists” don’t have the guts to actually do anything when they are in power. Cause there are no non fascists in the oligarch. Both parties are bought and sold by corporations.
The biggest lie everyone is telling themselves right now is that once Trump is out we well get back to “normal” and that is not going to happen.
Americans LOVE ARGUING NUANCE. The point is you have access to the 2A as much as the fascist but you choose to sit on your asses!
Then, where are you from that you take arms up against your government and win?
I’m pretty sure you’re just deflecting. Maybe the better question is what other country has the 2nd amendment type right? What other country allowed so much carnage against children for the sake of preserving a right to own guns?
You’re American and you’ve done nothing but shitpost online about it lmao.
Ah my hater is here. Fucking pathetic. I’m glad I got a following though. Hope you enjoy my posts. I’ll be shitting on you worthless child murdering pedophile protectors from now on. I know it triggers you. 😂😂✌️ ENJOY
I love engaging with trolls. I troll on here frequently. The part I’m particularly enjoying is trying to figure out if you’re just a troll, completely mentally unwell or most likely projecting because in reality you’re a big Trump person and love pedophiles. So posting this way serves to erode legitimacy of actual criticisms. A user like you can be pointed at as “look see how crazy the oposition is”.
Hey check out my community SHITHOLE USA
I’ll love showing you disgusting Americans in your garbage environment
What do you consider yourself? Like what nationality, if not American
They’ll be posting selfies, ladies and gents.
You’re hilariously bad at this.
Ah the typical American response. When you can’t honestly answer the question you’re going to get offended? Let me guess, you think I’m a troll? You think I’m rage baiting? You’re going to report to ban me?
You child murdering pedophile protectors are worthless to communicate with.
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They have stated that they live in California
The real doom loop:
- “Hey maybe we should try voting and boycotting companies?”
- “That will never work only violence works!”
- Some mentally unwell person shoots some people
- More fascist stuff is done as a response
- Go back to step 1
The revolutionary LARPers are in a symbiotic relationship with the fascists they clam to oppose.
Let’s be real though, the military right now would have no problem mowing down anyone giving a hint of pushback. They already have, look at Alex Pretti and Renee Good. It’s part of their “liberal tears” shtick.
Minnesota is the perfect example on how to do it. They did a fantastic job. They still lost too many.
You mean ICE? Not really the same as the military.
And conservatives still exist there and can harm the normal people whenever they like. We didn’t really win anything when the enemy is still alive and operating.
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Just don’t pretend you don’t support it then.
Waaaa! They called me out. Waaaa!
In my observation: many Americans are resisting. The ones that are, even nonviolently are not cowards by any measure.
The ones that are continuing to support neoliberalism are weak. Revolution can’t happen if they continue to obey their programming.
One of the fundamental falsehoods that is being pushed, and not just by foreign propaganda, is that revolution can only be violent. If we were able to organize crippling work shutdowns we would start to see results. The oligarchs still require a great deal of human labor to get what they want. The public could, theoretically, withdraw that and use it as leverage to move things back toward wealth equity. The problem is that it requires a greater consensus that we have been able to achieve, at least so far.
What about legislation that makes it illegal to strike like when the rail workers wanted to strike under Biden?
Carney is passing similar legislation in Canada.
It isn’t surprising when a government makes the methods for opposing it illegal. That increases the risk involved, but it does not change the reasons for doing it or the effectiveness of those tactics. It isn’t a matter of, “well, we might as well kill people, if both are illegal”. There are a lot of reasons for preferring non-violent protest, beyond legality. It comes down to figuring out what is most likely to cause the change we want to see.
And if it’s illegal, and people still strike, what would be the outcome?
It would still cripple capital production
And historically, what has happened when people went on strike despite the government not condoning it? Plenty of examples to choose from
Violence happened. Be honest.
LOL either you’re cherry picking or really don’t know the history that led to the Bolshevik revolution.
You know what the Putilov Strike was preceded by? The Bloody Sunday revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)
From your article:
There were several strikes involving the workers of the Putilov Mill over the years with the first one taking place in 1905, yet this particular strike in 1917 is considered the catalyst which sparked the February Revolution.
You know what happened after the February revolution right? Right?!
The October revolution! Many deaths.
This is what happens to strikes that are deemed illegal by the government:
I’d say that’s true, but calling it a revolution waters down what the trolls are saying. I would put “crippling work shutdowns” in the work protest section to keep it clear.
