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I CAN’T HEAR YOU!??
HELLOOO???
YOU SEEMS TO BE MUTED?
FYI most modern TVs have a second microphone actually in the display that’s actually used for the nefarious tracking and listening for assistant wake words to save remote battery life
It has no way of sending any recordings if you don’t connect it to the Internet.
What about LTE. I didn’t connect my new car to the internet. They did. 🙃
But what if
- your neighbor has open wifi?
- someone nearby has a connected device your tv can talk to?
- you sell the tv and it then gets connected?
then my neighbor is gonna have an interesting conversation with the cops about how much illegal drugs he’s been ordering over the internet. Geez man, that’s not even a reasonable argument, nobody has an open wifi, it’s not 2001 anymore.
There’s plenty of open networks still around
Also you ignored the other 2 points
I have heard that some vendors support joining adhoc networks with others of the same brand. So if you have an LG TV (as an example) that you dont connect to the internet, but your neighbor has one that is connected, they could theoretically link up and bridge the unconnected one.
To be fair, this would have to be functionality included in the factory, and may not actually be a thing. But I remember reading something about it with LGs a few years ago, and it stuck with me.
Even if that wasn’t a thing yet, WiFi chips can be bought for less than $1 each in bulk now, and companies can put a monetary value on one person’s private data in the range of $1000 and up, so schemes like that are inevitabilities.
I used to look forward to global Internet coverage. While I still think it’s overall a good thing, I fear the day it’s ubiquitous and reliable enough that electronics are widely built to connect to it automatically without fallbacks or user input and make it nigh impossible to disable while keeping the device functional. We seem to be getting there sooner rather than later. I definitely feel less guilty about hoarding older hardware now.
Yeah but those are only 2.4 ghz so they reach to your neighbors xfinity hotspot at a meager 150 mbps. Not nearly fast enough to exfiltrate the real time retina scans that skynet will need. Also, they are not less than a dollar in bulk.
They are exactly a dollar 😁
I’m fairly sure that is a thing.
Things will become more obscure and harder to disable. In fact since you own nothing and you’ll be happy, youre damaging government property and the police are already dispatched to take you to a totally cool and totally legal prison slave camp.
Nah they won’t send the cops, you just gotta drink a verification can
I thought that greentext was so outrageous when it first appeared, and now its probably going to be reality at some point.
Youtube asking you to say the brand name or the jingle to skip the add. You heard it here first
They’ll gamify it. Remember “Karaoke Revolution”? I think “Rock Band” and its derivatives also built upon it.
Greetings from Sony.
I’ll go down swinging with my hoarded DDR3 sticks
Remotes aren’t complicated enough to hide the microphone. It’s more likely that tvs ditch the remote entirely and be voice controlled only, mute people be damned.
There’s gonna be an app to control the TV and you need to register with your government ID to use it and it will required internet access at all times.
The last TV I had was a 37 inch I sold in 2020. I stopped watching TV in 2003. I have been terminally online since late 2000 and 2001.
I’ve been terminally online for almost as long, but tbh the TV is good for background noise, or to watch something while you work, shitpost or play on your PC, situated so you can see the TV
Or just don’t connect your TV?
Why not both?
Because one is unnecessary of you do the other?
Out of fucking principle, yes it’s not connected, but I won’t tolerate a mic in my remote. Besides, you have heard of them being able to use your neighbour’s unsafe WIFI if you have to act so smart, right?
What year is this that there is Open WiFi all over the place. Everything is encrypted now by default.
Xfinity broadcasts open wifi networks by default through their gateways and can be connected with authentication through Xfinity. It is entirely feasible to have a deal that allows them to connect through that network.
To the WiFi?
You are often forced to in order to set it up at all, the damage is already done if you disconnect it or VLAN quarantine it after that.
It doesn’t stop the TV from spying on you. GN just proved that it runs STT and records your conversations in plaintext and has the memory to store them for eternity. It also gets your location from scanning WiFi, Bluetooth, and any other devices in the band and geolocating based off of their data.
Then if you ever sell the TV, it will dump the data if they connect it, or somebody with the same brand smart TV moved in next door, it will use that TV’s hidden SSID hotspot to jump the airgap and dump all if its (likely time and position stamped) transcribed spying data to the servers.
Hardware fix is literally the only fix.
No you are not required to connect to WiFi to set it up.
I have seen complaints of this happening. It is possible they all lied, but it’d be kinda weird.
Can you help me understand why i got downvotes for posting the following comment in this very same community 2 days ago?
I am not saying the following happens, i think there is no proof it happens, but its technically doable.
They are capable of scanning for local networks and bluetooth devices which can be used to identify a location. (This part they definitely do)
If your neighbour has an lg tv, or the presence of the tv is extracted through your phone. Then they know where it is and they also know of any open/public wifi networks around.
The researchers from gamers nexus can connect to 2 (ssid) networks at once for some reason.
In theory a neighbours lg tv could
broadcast their wifi credentials to your tv toconnect to upload the data.There was a study just recently about exactly this, smart devices creating a rogue mesh and routing traffic across neighbors’ devices until they could phone home with all your data anyway
Could you link to it?
I was hoping someone else would remember it, I’ve been looking for it too.
Maybe @caseyweederman was thinking about the Sidewalk Application Layer from Amazon Wikipedia page
Humans are fickle and undependable and it is probably best to not take them seriously.
Damn I was not aware of that.
And hope no open networks are in range, ever. Or it will exfiltrate collected data.
Or another TV of the same manufacturer that has Internet access.
Keep hearing these claims got any proof about them?
I personally haven’t seen any proof that they are actively doing this, but I’ve seen enough about Amazon Sidewalk and from the Gamer’s Nexus video to be certain that they are capable of these methods, and if they aren’t doing it now they’ll probably do it soon.
In most cases by the time the evidence breaks, it’s years after the fact, and so better to be on the precautionary side.
I haven’t watched it all yet, but most of it is demonstrated on the latest Gamer Nexus video “216,000,000 Spy TVs | The LG Smart TV Problem”. In case you haven’t seen it yet:
Non YT link
Interesting timestamps:
00:16:33 - Intercepting LG’s Data Transfer
00:22:04 - Dark Patterns
00:46:19 - Plain Text Transcript and Ambient Conversation
My magic trick: Le Firewall.
You have not been paying attention.
Ah, tell me again how the data gets transferred with a bit of the magic Le Firewall
It connects to Le Open Wifi from your neighbours, or adhoc to a TV of the same make, or saves up all the logs and transfers them when the next owner of the TV connects it to their own network.
To be clear: I have no proof of this, but since it is all closed source, we probably will never know.
La* Open Wifi
Uhh, did you remove “n2” or “m4” lol?
I removed N2! N1 was the chip for the mic or something.
“Nx” is usually a resistor “n”etwork. The mic is probably something else, it could be the M designators or even a “t”ransducer.
Anyway you may find that the remote uses a bunch of mics. Once you’re no longer trying to catch sound in a way that will be discernible to human ears it can become an order of magnitude cheaper to send several fraction of a cent mics into the 69 dsp channels every fucking soc has nowadays. You’re getting the silicon for free, might as well use it.
What? Because I have to demonstrate my control, I understand almost nothing about technology. Don’t tell me it has a chip that controls everything, I make my own TV remote.
That is not my remote though
I lost mine yesterday so I’m thinking this is where it went to.
No. I have your remote.
I have like, eight remotes in drawers around my house. I’m not sure where they all came from. I didn’t realize remotes migrated. Is it a seasonal thing, like birds? Or, do the birds carry them?
Or just buy a cheap 3rd party off brand universal remote. Dont have to use the one that comes with the TV
If you want to know
allsome of the ways your audio can be spied on.Benn Jordan on audio spying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC6PM97IRI
He, surprisingly, did another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ynZ3lMQJc
Do people here still have their smartphones or are these things the first on the microphone hitlist?
GrapheneOS my brother
Yea, im stuck with not flashable phones sadly amd everytime i read something on here I get kinda sick
Yeah, GrapheneOS is worth switching to by getting a compatible phone if you can afford it with how it is probably our most used and carried around electronic used for communication.
The Pixel 9a is getting cheap and looking for them on the used market is even better, do yourself the favor and get one!
my shitphone, I mean iphone is really pissed that the case (water resistant) I have blocks mic, and well the audio as well lol. And the aluminum tape on the cameras makes it glitch up so much.
based setup
I’m tempted to try this but I’m not sure how to identify the microphone or whether it would be in my remote or the TV itself. Is there some sort of guide on doing this?
While it’s not always the case, try to look for a 2x4 silver rectangle with a hole in it like the one on my finger. The casing is to isolate it from the nearby radio waves and the hole to let sound through.
That’s actually your finger? Interesting.
