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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.mlEnglish · 20 days ago

Ukraine is losing the war

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Ukraine is losing the war

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.mlEnglish · 20 days ago
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There are three depressing takeaways from the latest round of diplomacy in Moscow and Kyiv by Jared Kushner and special envoy Steve Witkoff

https://archive.ph/yG0Ne

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    Fam, WSWS is literally the official online publication of a political organization. That’s like citing the US house speaker on matters of the war in Iran: Of course your answer is going to be colored red, white, and blue. I agree that it’s a proxy war. We’re just disagreeing on who started it and who’s defending against aggression. In my reading, it’s far preferable for the EU to stop Russia’s advance in Ukraine than to stop it in Poland. And they should probably be a bit more serious about stopping it in Ukraine than just sending weapons. It’s ugly already, but it could become so much more ugly if Russia keeps pushing and pushing West.

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      Oh I’m sorry, I forgot that socialist sources are offensive to fascists.

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        Comrade, I never said it was offensive, I said it was propaganda. Put real simply: “ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.” Merriam-Webster. 1) It’s the official publication by a political organization, and 2) it does misinterpret/over-interpret quotes, as I had explained further up the comment chain. That’s what I’m saying.

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          Every piece of mainstream media is just as much propaganda by the same definition, so not sure why you’d single a socialist publication out here. You asked for a source and I gave you one. What is says is factual and correct. Yet, you lack even the minimal intellectual integrity to acknowledge this. Also, somebody openly carrying water for a fascist state is not my comrade.

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              Learn what Godwin’s law means. We’re talking about literal and unapologetic fascists here.

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                Buddy, you’re calling anyone a fascist who doesn’t adhere to your worldview or belongs to your block. That doesn’t help anyone and is super unproductive. Are there fascists in the Ukrainian forces? Regrettably yes. Is the Ukrainian government an illegitimate fascist junta that came to power via a sponsored coup? I yet have to see any even remotely convincing evidence of that. Luckily, actual fascist tendencies are still quite fringe in Europe, though they are regrettably gaining thanks to Russian and increasingly also US psyops.

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                  I’m not your buddy. And I’m calling people who self identify as fascists fascists. The government in Ukraine literally just reburied fascists responsible for the genocide in Poland with state honors. Anybody who pretends that Ukraine isn’t run by fascists is either an imbecile or a closet fascist themselves. Even the Poles are starting to figure this out https://notesfrompoland.com/2026/05/29/poland-criticises-zelensky-for-naming-military-unit-after-group-responsible-for-massacring-poles/

                  If you have yet to see any evidence then you obviously haven’t bothered to look.

                  • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
                  • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
                  • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
                  • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
                  • Monthly Review Online, 2021: The Maidan massacre in Ukraine: revelations from trials and investigations
                  • Maidan coup thread https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (https://archive.ph/BAxYc) Coup details https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/

                  DeMocrAcy https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-censorship-authoritarianism-illiberalism-crackdown-police-zelensky

                  when we do it vs when they do it https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1628059721889468419

                  quite fringe in Europe

                  Says that without hint of irony when AfD gets 44% of the vote in Germany and RN is polling at all time high in France. What a clown.

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                    Two can play this game.

                    • https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/evidence-us-orchestrated-coup-ukraine-2014-487d75
                    • https://www.ukrainefactcheck.org/category/context/2014-maidan-revolution/
                    • https://www.stopfake.org/en/ukraine-s-maidan-revolution-was-not-a-coup/
                    • https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (thanks for linking that. Actually a good bit of first-hand evidence pointing towards spontaneous ‘grass root’ protests).

                    Aren’t you getting tired of coming back to this point as if it mattered for the question at hand? Even if it were a coup, which it most probably was not, then that still begets the question why Russia gets to invade a neighbor when they don’t like their government anymore.

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